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[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

It's so stupid that humans fight in this game. Krogan should do all the fighting since humans are so vulnerable! Bad-writing-plot-hole!

Ho-ho, do we have a fallacy of conclusion here. 

Nowhere did I say that I thought Quarians, or even Tali fighting was stupid. And really, it seems you have a differing opinion on the nature of bad writing and plot holes. While that's fine, what's not fine is your usual approach of "I'm right because I'm right. Objectively so." 

[Erez Kristal]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

erezike wrote...

Taking miranda with you everytime is risky for the mission. you shouldnt be putting all your eggs in one basket. there are better combatants with no extra value you can take with you.

Miranda is too valuable.

How is Miranda so valuable? She spends all her time in ME2 doing reports for TIM. We could have had Kelly do that.

That said, I agree that it's not a good idea to bring her all the time; in general, people in spandex and high heels aren't the ones you want fighting with you.

Miranda managed to bring shepard back to life. keep her alive and she will be able to do that again...
Shes your life insurance policy.  you have to look beyond her good looks and commanding abilities and see her for true assets 


Its stupid to take tali to battle when she could contribue much better else where. she was one of the weakest combatants in your squad which is why she gets 0 hold the line points alongside with mordin, kasumi and jack. you should keep her away from danger until you need a door hacked.

Modifié par erezike, 22 juin 2013 - 04:16 .

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
I disagree. I think they've done very well for a lot of their experiments and programs. The reason several failed was due to Shepard's intervention, external factors, and, yes, carelessness in some instances. There were the successes too. Check the codex. Check the SB Dossier. How useful do you think backtracking the Reaper signal would have been? It was successful afterall. Or information on the Derelict Reaper? Despite the demise of that cell due to indoctrination, they were successful in their mission. 

Meanwhile, the Quarians, after 300 years in exile about what happened between them and the Geth show that they really learned nothing in that time. Can you explain that? I really think you're trying to give Quarians more credit than they're worth.

Yeah it's true, I give the Quarians too much credit. I just love the Quarians for being the most culturally sophisticated, deep and emotional race in the galaxy. They fight smart and with great cunning(the marines and infiltrators, not the fleet). They're technical savants too. Also, they love poetry(I study poetry). The only race deeper than Quarians are the enigmatic Elcor.

But yeah, they haven't really accomplished much in the last 300 years.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I'm going to go ahead and directly say that I think you're letting your love for Tali cloud your judgement when you makestatements like "She's the the best squadmate in the series." That's an objective statement based on an opinon, one I definitely do not share.

I'm not wasting anything by leaving her on the ship perpetually. That's what I bring her for. She's an expert mechanic. Not a marksman. Not a leader. Not a soldier. She's much better off down in the engine room than on the battlefield. And if her suit gets breached, the anti-biotics are no guarantee that she'll survive if she gets infected. All it does is give her a stronger chance.

That's personal opinion. She fits my playstyle well and compensates for my build's weaknesses. I don't like to play with Miranda, but I don't care if she's your favourite. Jacob was a good tank, but his "throwin ma barrier!" and "nobody can hurts me now!" really got on my nerves.

And that's exactly what I'd say. Glad to see we're on the same page here.

I think Miranda is the best squadmate in the trilogy. I'm not going to pretend I'm objectively right. Since you like Tali, I'd already be wrong. 

That was the purpose of what I was saying.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
I disagree. I think they've done very well for a lot of their experiments and programs. The reason several failed was due to Shepard's intervention, external factors, and, yes, carelessness in some instances. There were the successes too. Check the codex. Check the SB Dossier. How useful do you think backtracking the Reaper signal would have been? It was successful afterall. Or information on the Derelict Reaper? Despite the demise of that cell due to indoctrination, they were successful in their mission. 

Meanwhile, the Quarians, after 300 years in exile about what happened between them and the Geth show that they really learned nothing in that time. Can you explain that? I really think you're trying to give Quarians more credit than they're worth.

Yeah it's true, I give the Quarians too much credit. I just love the Quarians for being the most culturally sophisticated, deep and emotional race in the galaxy. They fight smart and with great cunning(the marines and infiltrators, not the fleet). They're technical savants too. Also, they love poetry(I study poetry). The only race deeper than Quarians are the enigmatic Elcor.

But yeah, they haven't really accomplished much in the last 300 years.

I don't find the Quarians as the most culturally sophisticated. I actually rather despise that idea to be honest. I don't see how they're more sophisticated or deep than the Turians or Salarians. Maybe emotional, but I don't view that as such a good thing as you do.

Personally, I disagree on their fighting and martial prowess in combat - You only ever see one Quarian outside Tali not get killed, and that's Kal'Reegar. 

There, we have our dissenting opinions and we've talked it out peacefully. That wasn't too hard.

[dreamgazer]

Clearly Shepard should be doing all the combat alone, or with synthetic super-soldiers.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

Clearly Shepard should be doing all the combat alone, or with synthetic super-soldiers.

Krogans are pretty beast too. I'd like a Turian as well, just not Garrus. 

Justicars would be kicking ass.

And Jack. Don't forget Jack.

[Erez Kristal]

dreamgazer wrote...

Clearly Shepard should be doing all the combat alone, or with synthetic super-soldiers.

Cerberus were working on division.

You had edi and legion for starters

[AresKeith]

dreamgazer wrote...

Clearly Shepard should be doing all the combat alone, or with synthetic super-soldiers.

I've always felt you should be able to send other squads on small missions

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I don't find the Quarians as the most culturally sophisticated. I actually rather despise that idea to be honest. I don't see how they're more sophisticated or deep than the Turians or Salarians. Maybe emotional, but I don't view that as such a good thing as you do.

Personally, I disagree on their fighting and martial prowess in combat - You only ever see one Quarian outside Tali not get killed, and that's Kal'Reegar. 

There, we have our dissenting opinions and we've talked it out peacefully. That wasn't too hard.

What I mean by "culturally sophisticated race", is a race that attributes very great value to literature, poetry, writing, art and music. The Quarians seem to be the only race besides humans and Asari, that sees great importance in these things. Turians are only interested in warfare, Krogan are usually quite brutish and only lust for blood and Salarians are the most unemotional race in existence. In my opinion emotion and inner(and outer) beauty are the most important things in the world, the Quarians see things the same way. I don't get, why emotions are unimportant to you:?

[dreamgazer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Clearly Shepard should be doing all the combat alone, or with synthetic super-soldiers.

Krogans are pretty beast too. I'd like a Turian as well, just not Garrus. 

Justicars would be kicking ass.

And Jack. Don't forget Jack.

I'm in the middle of a ME2 run right now where my engineer has Grunt and Jack by his side as frequently as possible. Good to go. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Psychevore wrote...

The Quarians, as a whole, are stupid.

Tali isn't. Nor is that guy you have to/can save in ME3 (forgot his name)

Koris? He's a whining geth-apologist suit-wetter with a penchant for putting on show trials. I would have gladly let him die if it didn't end in the deaths of innocent civilians.

Still a better Admiral than Raan though. At least he seems competent.

I disagree. I think Koris is the strongest and bravest Admiral in the Flotilla. 

I think Gerrel is the biggest idiot. 

But we have our different opinions. It seems we've reached an impasse.

[dreamgazer]

Forum temporarily ate my post. Bah.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 22 juin 2013 - 04:29 .

[Farangbaa]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Psychevore wrote...

The Quarians, as a whole, are stupid.

Tali isn't. Nor is that guy you have to/can save in ME3 (forgot his name)

Koris? He's a whining geth-apologist suit-wetter with a penchant for putting on show trials. I would have gladly let him die if it didn't end in the deaths of innocent civilians.

Still a better Admiral than Raan though. At least he seems competent.

You need to realize that, if I had not been given the option to broker peace, I'd let the Quarians be slaughtered without any hesitation

So Koris is my kinda guy

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I don't find the Quarians as the most culturally sophisticated. I actually rather despise that idea to be honest. I don't see how they're more sophisticated or deep than the Turians or Salarians. Maybe emotional, but I don't view that as such a good thing as you do.

Personally, I disagree on their fighting and martial prowess in combat - You only ever see one Quarian outside Tali not get killed, and that's Kal'Reegar. 

There, we have our dissenting opinions and we've talked it out peacefully. That wasn't too hard.

What I mean by "culturally sophisticated race", is a race that attributes very great value to literature, poetry, writing, art and music. The Quarians seem to be the only race besides humans and Asari, that sees great importance in these things. Turians are only interested in warfare, Krogan are usually quite brutish and only lust for blood and Salarians are the most unemotional race in existence. In my opinion emotion and inner(and outer) beauty are the most important things in the world, the Quarians see things the same way. I don't get, why emotions are unimportant to you:?

I don't think any culture is inherently superior to the other, provided they aren't doing anything to a massive extreme with a violation towards life. Krogans do that, and they need to either be corrected, or annihilated. I do view the genophage as rash, though ultimately necessary.

Instead of going on a lengthy talk about personal perspective, including ethics, morality, and worldview, I'll simply turn the question onto you:

I don't get why you think emotions are so important. They're irrelevant to facts, and typically cloud judgement for the subjectiveness of a viewpoint. They get in the way of logic. I won't lie, I don't place emphasis on art to the same level as you. I think science, engineering, and advancement as a species is more important, but thats me. Just as you are you.

You seem to be displaying a propensity for cultural ignorance. I don't mean that in a offensive way, but it seems like you're genuinely having trouble seeing things from a different perspective. I have different values and preferences from you. Everyone is unique in their perspective. Some will have incredibly similar perspectives, others will have incredibly dissimilar perspectives.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 22 juin 2013 - 04:37 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Psychevore wrote...

You need to realize that, if I had not been given the option to broker peace, I'd let the Quarians be slaughtered without any hesitation

So Koris is my kinda guy

The majority of us exterminated the Geth. Quarian war assets are better anyway.

[dreamgazer]

AresKeith wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Clearly Shepard should be doing all the combat alone, or with synthetic super-soldiers.

I've always felt you should be able to send other squads on small missions

Like exploring an abandoned ship and defending that quarian from a pack of varren. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

Psychevore wrote...

You need to realize that, if I had not been given the option to broker peace, I'd let the Quarians be slaughtered without any hesitation

So Koris is my kinda guy

The majority of us exterminated the Geth. Quarian war assets are better anyway.

Actually, according to BW's survey, the majority save the Geth. 

And that's subjective. I believe the Geth have far more utility and military capability than the Quarians. 

Remember the talk on perspective and opinion?

[AresKeith]

dreamgazer wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Clearly Shepard should be doing all the combat alone, or with synthetic super-soldiers.

I've always felt you should be able to send other squads on small missions

Like exploring an abandoned ship and defending that quarian from a pack of varren. 

Something like that, and occasionally killing merc bases on their own

Same goes for Virmire in ME1

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
I don't think any culture is inherently superior to the other, provided they aren't doing anything to a massive extreme with a violation towards life. Krogans do that, and they need to either be corrected, or annihilated. I do view the genophage as rash, though ultimately necessary.

Instead of going on a lengthy talk about personal perspective, including ethics, morality, and worldview, I'll simply turn the question onto you:

I don't get why you think emotions are so important. They're irrelevant to facts, and typically cloud judgement for the subjectiveness of a viewpoint. They get in the way of logic. I won't lie, I don't place emphasis on art to the same level as you. I think science, engineering, and advancement as a species is more important, but thats me. Just as you are you.

You seem to be displaying a propensity for cultural ignorance. I don't mean that in a offensive way, but it seems like you're genuinely having trouble seeing things from a different perspective.

Emotions and morals guide us. Emotions are the key factor of sociology and in my opinion one of the most important factors in life. I'm an idealist, sacrifice of life for scientific progress is not worthy sacrifice(that's why I despise Cerberus). I'm a helpless romantic, I can't fathom how anyone could disregard emotions as irrelevant. Emotions are what makes us human, they are what divides us from machines.

[Dextro Milk]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Actually, according to BW's survey, the majority save the Geth. 

37% (I think it is, ammount of people that save the geth), is not a majority percentage.

You need to look at the other two numbers as well and take them into account.

(Not saying Neca is right about more people saving quarians over the geth.)

Modifié par Dextro Milk, 22 juin 2013 - 04:49 .

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Actually, according to BW's survey, the majority save the Geth. 

And that's subjective. I believe the Geth have far more utility and military capability than the Quarians. 

Remember the talk on perspective and opinion?

Because you're ruthless. You don't care for sacrifice or morals, only for efficiency. Remember that Stalin comparission? Stalin achieved his goals and only sacrificed 20 million lives for it, he should be Cerberus' new mascot. Progress over morals.

[Farangbaa]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Psychevore wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Koris? He's a whining geth-apologist suit-wetter with a penchant for putting on show trials. I would have gladly let him die if it didn't end in the deaths of innocent civilians.

Still a better Admiral than Raan though. At least he seems competent.

You need to realize that, if I had not been given the option to broker peace, I'd let the Quarians be slaughtered without any hesitation

So Koris is my kinda guy

Why do I need to realize that? It has no bearing on anything I said.

You seem to dislike him, and the Geth. I do not. 

I also do not give a rat's ass about innocent civilians. It's not like we're fighting something we can kill with a warp or a pistol.