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[KaiserShep]

Necanor wrote...

The Quarians have been researching Reaper tech for years, ever wonder how Tali knows so much about Reaper tech? The Quarians are technologically adaptable, here's an example: Admiral Xen created a white noise jamming system, that manged to severly cripple the Geth defense systems. They have some of the most advanced weapons in the galaxy, imagine the technical potential the Quarians have. I don't assume it was easy to create the Geth, a race of self-reproducing sentient synthetics in the first place. Do you think any race could have created a race like the Geth?

Since when were they researching reaper technology? From what I understood, they were studying the geth to determine how far they've developed since the Quarians' exile, which was made more apparent in ME2 when Admiral Rael'Zorah was experimenting on the geth to develop a means to defeat them. The idea that they were studying reaper tech doesn't make much sense, because the geth's reaper code augmentation rendered their new weapon obsolete. 

Edit: I guess I missed some dialogue from ME2 if that's the case. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 22 juin 2013 - 06:58 .

[Erez Kristal]

The quarrians werent even able to take back one little ship from the geth. i dont know what they were trying to do when they tried to take back rannoch.

if you rewrote the heretics then the geth are the more formidable force by far. the best way to test this is to turn them on. they kick the quarrians ass without any sweat(since they cool down in a different form)

Peace is the right way to go though.

[Sir DeLoria]

Look at Quarian basic weaponry: Adas-Anti synthetic rifle, Reegar Carbine, Arc Pistol etc

So these weapons aren't technologically advanced? They're all made for one purpose alone, to destroy synthetics. This example shows the technological adaptive ability of the Quarians.

[dreamgazer]

Why are my soldiers losing hope? They won't lose hope, because they have a hardass leader behind them kicking them in the ass. They know about the Crucible. They have Commander Shepard next to them, leading them, challenging them. They don't need art or music. They know art and music won't save them even if they were demoralized.

Guess these are worthless then: 

http://constitutionc...erican-soldier/

Modifié par dreamgazer, 22 juin 2013 - 06:59 .

[KaiserShep]

I'd say having to pick between the geth and the Quarians for survival is a moot point if you have the capacity to broker a peace agreement. Why kill off one race when you can have both fight the reapers instead?

[Sir DeLoria]

erezike wrote...

The quarrians werent even able to take back one little ship from the geth. i dont know what they were trying to do when they tried to take back rannoch.

if you rewrote the heretics then the geth are the more formidable force by far. the best way to test this is to turn them on. they kick the quarrians ass without any sweat(since they cool down in a different form)

Peace is the right way to go though.

Totally out of context. The Quarians annihilated every Geth station, fleet and army on their way to Rannoch without severe casualties. They couldn't destroy the flagship, because the Reaper upgraded the Geth weaponry and armor. It stoped the white noise from working.

[Anubis722]

erezike wrote...

The quarrians werent even able to take back one little ship from the geth. i dont know what they were trying to do when they tried to take back rannoch.

if you rewrote the heretics then the geth are the more formidable force by far. the best way to test this is to turn them on. they kick the quarrians ass without any sweat(since they cool down in a different form)

Peace is the right way to go though.

Quarians push the Geth back threw 4 systems until they reach Tikkun system where the Reaper signal happen, if was not the for the Reapers the Geth would had lost.

Modifié par AnubisEgyptainLordofDeath, 22 juin 2013 - 07:05 .

[Anubis722]

KaiserShep wrote...

I'd say having to pick between the geth and the Quarians for survival is a moot point if you have the capacity to broker a peace agreement. Why kill off one race when you can have both fight the reapers instead?

I agree 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

Operation Enduring Freedom is incomparable with the brutality that was the Eastern Front of World War 2, a hardass leader may be inspiring, but not enough to get the troops motivated. The Germans and Russians had some of the best officers in history fighting on their side, they fought for the wrong side, but they were still good leaders. Yet it wasn't enough. Every cold hearted dictator recognised this, every Nation had a huge propaganda machine running, with newspapers, books, art, music etc to keep Troops motivated, to keep them fighting.

Do you think they were all wrong? Every military leader in history?

You don't know anything about the military do you.

Have you ever served? Have you ever been to Basic Training? Do you even know what motivation is?

Yes, I do believe they were all wrong at some point. It's why they all failed at some point. They're human.

Those are all important to a fight, but they aren't vital like leadership. Those are luxuries. You don't NEED them.

Regardless, you're changing your argument and your definition. You were saying that artists and musicians and poets are vital to a war effort.

When I was downrange, making sure that my team was safe was my motivation.

Making sure I did my job, and did it well, was my motivation.

Knowing that I had my brothers and sisters lives in my hands and that they were counting on me to watch their back was my motivation.

Knowing now that the finest sons and daughters of America are counting on me to lead them into battle, victory, and ultimately home back to their families and lives is my motivation.

And the single greatest cause for motivation is success, which comes from confidence, which comes from skill, which comes from training.

If there is no success, there is no motivation. All the propaganda, art, music, and poetry in the world isn't going to change that. Not one iota.

It wasn't enough because they had other people there working against them, fighting them, and they didn't have the resources or sound military leadership to lead them to success like the Allies did.

In 1945, the Germans were demotivated. all the German art, propaganda, music, writing, and poetry in the world was going to change that. They knew they were going to lose.

[themikefest]

Necanor wrote...

Operation Enduring Freedom is incomparable with the brutality that was the Eastern Front of World War 2, a hardass leader may be inspiring, but not enough to get the troops motivated. The Germans and Russians had some of the best officers in history fighting on their side, they fought for the wrong side, but they were still good leaders. Yet it wasn't enough. Every cold hearted dictator recognised this, every Nation had a huge propaganda machine running, with newspapers, books, art, music etc to keep Troops motivated, to keep them fighting.

Do you think they were all wrong? Every military leader in history?

Try telling that to the families of the soldiers that died over there

[Dextro Milk]

themikefest wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Operation Enduring Freedom is incomparable with the brutality that was the Eastern Front of World War 2, a hardass leader may be inspiring, but not enough to get the troops motivated. The Germans and Russians had some of the best officers in history fighting on their side, they fought for the wrong side, but they were still good leaders. Yet it wasn't enough. Every cold hearted dictator recognised this, every Nation had a huge propaganda machine running, with newspapers, books, art, music etc to keep Troops motivated, to keep them fighting.

Do you think they were all wrong? Every military leader in history?

Try telling that to the families of the soldiers that died over there

Appeal to emotion. Fallacy. False.

Stop now.

[o Ventus]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

erezike wrote...

Taking miranda with you everytime is risky for the mission. you shouldnt be putting all your eggs in one basket. there are better combatants with no extra value you can take with you.

Miranda is too valuable.

How is Miranda so valuable? She spends all her time in ME2 doing reports for TIM. We could have had Kelly do that.

That said, I agree that it's not a good idea to bring her all the time; in general, people in spandex and high heels aren't the ones you want fighting with you.

She's kind of the only reason you're alive.

[Sir DeLoria]

themikefest wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Operation Enduring Freedom is incomparable with the brutality that was the Eastern Front of World War 2, a hardass leader may be inspiring, but not enough to get the troops motivated. The Germans and Russians had some of the best officers in history fighting on their side, they fought for the wrong side, but they were still good leaders. Yet it wasn't enough. Every cold hearted dictator recognised this, every Nation had a huge propaganda machine running, with newspapers, books, art, music etc to keep Troops motivated, to keep them fighting.

Do you think they were all wrong? Every military leader in history?

Try telling that to the families of the soldiers that died over there

War is war, war is always bad. But Operation Enduring Freedom had ~3000 dead Western Allied Soldiers. The Eastern Front had 14 million dead.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Dextro Milk wrote...

themikefest wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Operation Enduring Freedom is incomparable with the brutality that was the Eastern Front of World War 2, a hardass leader may be inspiring, but not enough to get the troops motivated. The Germans and Russians had some of the best officers in history fighting on their side, they fought for the wrong side, but they were still good leaders. Yet it wasn't enough. Every cold hearted dictator recognised this, every Nation had a huge propaganda machine running, with newspapers, books, art, music etc to keep Troops motivated, to keep them fighting.

Do you think they were all wrong? Every military leader in history?

Try telling that to the families of the soldiers that died over there

Appeal to emotion. Fallacy. False.

Stop now.

As much as I hate to admit it, he does have a point here.

Soldiers dying is a part of the job. You and I know that all too well Mike. 

But just because the amount of carnage or death in a battle or war supercedes that of another (like the Battle of Kursk versus the Telmut and Konar Insurgencies) does not make the pain of death and losing a loved one any less harder to bear.

Tell that to a family.

'From the State Department of the United States, the Department of Defense, and Department of the Army:

We regret to inform you that your son, Private Blue Falcoln was killed in action on August 7th, 2009.

We'd feel sorry for you, but your son died in an insignificant conflict in the Middle East. 

All the parents who lost a child in WWII had it way worse than you. Don't cry, and don't mourn, because your son died in a regretable military action that will be looked at as a black spot on American History.

****** Off, 

Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, Army Chief of Staff, Your Son's Commanding Officer.'

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The obvious best strategy would have been to use the data gained from Project Overlord, Cerberus's study of the intact geth platform found on the Derelict Reaper, and Xen's own research to develop a way to put the geth under control of organics, thus gaining the geth fleet without derp like Reaper Code.

Why that wasn't an option I don't know.

Why couldn't we convince Legion that the Geth don't need the Reaper Code?

Why can't we get the Geth to join us, voluntarily, without the Reaper Code?

[Sir DeLoria]

They got beaten in 1945, when the German state was utterly broken. But from 1939 to 1942 the German war and propaganda machine destroyed eveything in it's path, the Germans beat 8 countries in 3 years, thanks in part to motivation. It failed working, when Germany luckily simply didn't have enough manpower or ressources to beat the Allies. A song can't motivate a dead man, but neither can a good leader. When Germany was nearing it's end, nothing could help anymore.

Yes, I didn't serve in a combat zone, but at least went through basic training 4 years ago.

[KaiserShep]

Successfully assuming control of the geth would only serve to make things worse. Project Overlord, Cerberus' study of the intact geth (which strikes me as redundant since they already used intact geth for Project Overlord) and Admiral Xen's efforts would all be undone by the reapers once they hijack them, and after that, the geth would be purely hostile, with no hope of getting help from any of them. Aside from losing any possibility of getting geth support of any kind, it would probably lead to a reduction in Quarian forces as well as some human, since subjugating the geth would no doubt place them in close proximity. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 22 juin 2013 - 07:26 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Deaths are always horrible, I wasn't denying that, I was simply emphasising the magnitude of the horror of World War 2.

[dreamgazer]

What a miserable, amplified conversation.

[o Ventus]

Necanor wrote...

Emotions and morals guide us. Emotions are the key factor of sociology and in my opinion one of the most important factors in life.

Depending on the scenario, sure. Try telling a group of survivors in a plane crash on a snowy mountain about morals, and you'll be the first one they cannibalize when the food is gone.

I'm an idealist

Don't let your morals get in the way of logic and sense.

sacrifice of life for scientific progress is not worthy sacrifice(that's why I despise Cerberus).

So if (hypothetically) you were developing a serum that could cure all known forms of cancer, by found that serum (in its untested phase) to have a high mortality rate, you would just throw it away?

I'm a helpless romantic, I can't fathom how anyone could disregard emotions as irrelevant.

In the long term, they more or less are. Do you have any idea how much medical knowledge we gained after N**i Germany was defeated? That kind of information wouldn't have been received if it weren't for the admittedly barbaric processes used by the Germans.

Modifié par o Ventus, 22 juin 2013 - 07:27 .

[Dextro Milk]

So off-topic.

I love it. Jk, I loathe it, wait, maybe I love that I loathe it, or loathe that I hate it? I'm so confused...

[Anubis722]

Dextro Milk wrote...

So off-topic.

I love it. Jk, I loathe it, wait, maybe I love that I loathe it, or loathe that I hate it? I'm so confused...

hey khelish it's me marik

[Sir DeLoria]

Well, was that medical knowledge worth millions of deaths? Did the world really have to know about how jewish and gypsie twin children reacted to different toxins injected into their helpless bodies?

[Dextro Milk]

AnubisEgyptainLordofDeath wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

So off-topic.

I love it. Jk, I loathe it, wait, maybe I love that I loathe it, or loathe that I hate it? I'm so confused...

hey khelish it's me marik

I thoought you abandoned the BSN back in the olden days?