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[Anubis722]

Dextro Milk wrote...

AnubisEgyptainLordofDeath wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

So off-topic.

I love it. Jk, I loathe it, wait, maybe I love that I loathe it, or loathe that I hate it? I'm so confused...

hey khelish it's me marik

I thoought you abandoned the BSN back in the olden days? 

I did i just came to see what's going on, after coming from the DA:I forum 

[Dextro Milk]

dreamgazer wrote...

What a miserable, amplified conversation.

Pretty much.

I'm not sure what is happening anymore 

[Dextro Milk]

AnubisEgyptainLordofDeath wrote...

I did i just came to see what's going on, after coming from the DA:I forum 

You picked a bad time friend... 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

They got beaten in 1945, when the German state was utterly broken. But from 1939 to 1942 the German war and propaganda machine destroyed eveything in it's path, the Germans beat 8 countries in 3 years, thanks in part to motivation. It failed working, when Germany luckily simply didn't have enough manpower or ressources to beat the Allies. A song can't motivate a dead man, but neither can a good leader. When Germany was nearing it's end, nothing could help anymore.

Yes, I didn't serve in a combat zone, but at least went through basic training 4 years ago.

Actually, that was the German Army that tore through the Europe and North Africa. Superior technology had a big hand as well. And the training for the German soldier as intense. They had incredible skill, and were incredibly motivated.

If you've been through basic training as you say, then you'll know that you're taught to believe in your own skills and have confidence in yourself and your comrades. Your motivation and drive to succeed is instilled in you by your Drill Sergeants. You learn to have your own pride and confidence in your abilities as a soldier.

You don't need propaganda to know that you will succeed as a soldier. You know that from yourself, you and your team are what you need. And your skills and training ensure that you full confidence in your abilities. 

You should know that.

Where did you go to basic, and what is your MOS?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

Well, was that medical knowledge worth millions of deaths? Did the world really have to know about how jewish and gypsie twin children reacted to different toxins injected into their helpless bodies?

No they didn't. And that medical knowledge wasn't gained from science.

The Germans committed science in the name of torture. As I said, they were sadists. They intentionally made their subjects to suffer. They relished the torment that they put the children of the Jews through.

[Anubis722]

Dextro Milk wrote...

AnubisEgyptainLordofDeath wrote...

I did i just came to see what's going on, after coming from the DA:I forum 

You picked a bad time friend... 

I see, 

[Sir DeLoria]

I don't have a MOS, I didn't serve in the US army, I'm a devious foreigner.

Please, I know a lot about the Wehrmacht's technology and training, I know that superior equipment and vehicles gave them an edge over most enemy forces. Nevertheless, propaganda was very important for the German moral, that's undeniable.

[o Ventus]

Necanor wrote...

Well, was that medical knowledge worth millions of deaths? Did the world really have to know about how jewish and gypsie twin children reacted to different toxins injected into their helpless bodies?

No, it wasn't.

Does that make it any less valuable?

[o Ventus]

Necanor wrote...

Well, was that medical knowledge worth millions of deaths? Did the world really have to know about how jewish and gypsie twin children reacted to different toxins injected into their helpless bodies?

No, it wasn't.

Does that make it any less valuable?

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Well, was that medical knowledge worth millions of deaths? Did the world really have to know about how jewish and gypsie twin children reacted to different toxins injected into their helpless bodies?

No they didn't. And that medical knowledge wasn't gained from science.

The Germans committed science in the name of torture. As I said, they were sadists. They intentionally made their subjects to suffer. They relished the torment that they put the children of the Jews through.

That's the exact point of my ironic post. Also, many of the victims weren't jewish. Roughly 6 million jewish people, 2 million ethnic poles, 1 million romani as well as many gays, priests and disabled people.

[Sir DeLoria]

o Ventus wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Well, was that medical knowledge worth millions of deaths? Did the world really have to know about how jewish and gypsie twin children reacted to different toxins injected into their helpless bodies?

No, it wasn't.

Does that make it any less valuable?

Yes, what's the point of utterly irrelevant, racially motivated and false knowledge.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

I don't have a MOS, I didn't serve in the US army, I'm a devious foreigner.

Please, I know a lot about the Wehrmacht's technology and training, I know that superior equipment and vehicles gave them an edge over most enemy forces. Nevertheless, propaganda was very important for the German moral, that's undeniable.

Of course. It was the Aryan's destiny to rein over the Earth and to wean themselves of impurity and all things un-German, and to purify Europe from barbarians after all.

[o Ventus]

Necanor wrote...

Once we see civilians as expendable ressources, we've already lost. We could win, but we'd sell our soul to the devil(metaphorically). Every life counts. The Protheans like Javik said, tried that tactic and got eradicated, perhaps for the better.

1. The protheans lost because of heir inability to adapt. Javik says as much.

2. The overload of emotion and deprivation of logic in this post astounds me. Wars don't get won with this mentality.

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

I don't have a MOS, I didn't serve in the US army, I'm a devious foreigner.

Please, I know a lot about the Wehrmacht's technology and training, I know that superior equipment and vehicles gave them an edge over most enemy forces. Nevertheless, propaganda was very important for the German moral, that's undeniable.

Of course. It was the Aryan's destiny to rein over the Earth and to wean themselves of impurity and all things un-German, and to purify Europe from barbarians after all.

Hate is a strong motivator. The German propaganda indoctrinated its soldiers with hate. If you hate your enemy, then you won't show respect or mercy.

[o Ventus]

Necanor wrote...

Yes, what's the point of utterly irrelevant, racially motivated and false knowledge.

Unless we're talking about straight-up lies, there's no such thing as "false knowledge". You lose points for even saying that.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

I don't have a MOS, I didn't serve in the US army, I'm a devious foreigner.

Please, I know a lot about the Wehrmacht's technology and training, I know that superior equipment and vehicles gave them an edge over most enemy forces. Nevertheless, propaganda was very important for the German moral, that's undeniable.

Of course. It was the Aryan's destiny to rein over the Earth and to wean themselves of impurity and all things un-German, and to purify Europe from barbarians after all.

Hate is a strong motivator. The German propaganda indoctrinated its soldiers with hate. If you hate your enemy, then you won't show respect or mercy.

Arguably, it worked pretty well too. They were some of the finest soldiers in the world, and nigh unstoppable at the time. 

They were motivated. 

I admire that.

[Sir DeLoria]

o Ventus wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Yes, what's the point of utterly irrelevant, racially motivated and false knowledge.

Unless we're talking about straight-up lies, there's no such thing as "false knowledge". You lose points for even saying that.

The research we're talking about, is mostly race based and false. Thus it is utterly pointless from a medical point of view.

[Sir DeLoria]

Btw Massively, ever seen the movie "Stalingrad"? It's a German movie about that exact subject. You can find all parts on Youtube I think.

[Han Shot First]

I think the official canon is that those characters do accompany Shepard on the mission, you just don't see them in game because of gameplay limitations. In ME3 for example squadmates can comment about being on missions from previous games, even if they aren't the squadmates you chose to take on those missions.

[o Ventus]

Han Shot First wrote...

I think the official canon is that those characters do accompany Shepard on the mission, you just don't see them in game because of gameplay limitations. In ME3 for example squadmates can comment about being on missions from previous games, even if they aren't the squadmates you chose to take on those missions.

This is what I've always figured.

[NeroonWilliams]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Actually, according to BW's survey, the majority save the Geth. 

And that's subjective. I believe the Geth have far more utility and military capability than the Quarians. 

Remember the talk on perspective and opinion?

Because you're ruthless. You don't care for sacrifice or morals, only for efficiency. Remember that Stalin comparission? Stalin achieved his goals and only sacrificed 20 million lives for it, he should be Cerberus' new mascot. Progress over morals.

I'm actually pretty sure this has more to do with mindless Paragon players not having played the first 2 games believing they can broker peace and then failing that, refusing to take those Renegade interrupts to stop the upload.  Had that one sneak up on me in one playthrough.

[NeroonWilliams]

Back to the OP.

In ME1 I think we can certainly attribute the landing party size limit to the fact that 3 is all that the Mako will hold. Therefore, the only missions that could possibly have more squadmembers present would be the first halves of Noveria and Feros, and the second half of Virmire.

I'd make the same assertion for ME2 and 3, BUT the shuttle in ME2 can clearly hold the entire ship's complement of squaddies so they are all off ship when the Collectors attack. Nothing I can do to break that logic.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

NeroonWilliams wrote...

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Actually, according to BW's survey, the majority save the Geth. 

And that's subjective. I believe the Geth have far more utility and military capability than the Quarians. 

Remember the talk on perspective and opinion?

Because you're ruthless. You don't care for sacrifice or morals, only for efficiency. Remember that Stalin comparission? Stalin achieved his goals and only sacrificed 20 million lives for it, he should be Cerberus' new mascot. Progress over morals.

I'm actually pretty sure this has more to do with mindless Paragon players not having played the first 2 games believing they can broker peace and then failing that, refusing to take those Renegade interrupts to stop the upload.  Had that one sneak up on me in one playthrough.

Some of this has to do with not knowing you cannot broker peace with Geth VI in the game or without Tali in the game. If either Tali or Legion are missing it's over. I had one of those sneak up on me. I tried to broker peace with Geth VI and it fell through. That was not my intent. I reloaded, fought the reaper again, tried again, failed again. That counted twice. Reloaded and sided with the Quarians at the beginning of the conversation, shot the toaster three times, and finished the game.  Still Bioware got the statistics from that play: 2 - sided with the Geth. 1 - sided with the Quarians.

[DeinonSlayer]

NeroonWilliams wrote...

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Actually, according to BW's survey, the majority save the Geth. 

And that's subjective. I believe the Geth have far more utility and military capability than the Quarians. 

Remember the talk on perspective and opinion?

Because you're ruthless. You don't care for sacrifice or morals, only for efficiency. Remember that Stalin comparission? Stalin achieved his goals and only sacrificed 20 million lives for it, he should be Cerberus' new mascot. Progress over morals.

I'm actually pretty sure this has more to do with mindless Paragon players not having played the first 2 games believing they can broker peace and then failing that, refusing to take those Renegade interrupts to stop the upload.  Had that one sneak up on me in one playthrough.

This. There's a lot of that going on out there - 64% have Wreav instead of Wrex. A non-import playthrough will result in Eve dying and Wreav as the sole leader of the Krogan. 92% cure the Genophage anyway.

If you tell Wreav about the sabotage in the truck (15 paragon points), you don't have the option to stop the cure later. Additionally, peace is impossible in non-import playthroughs, and despite no morality points being awarded for choosing either the Quarians or Geth, Geth are at that familiar position at the top-right anyway. If there were a more appropriate place for an -O- wheel in place of an O< wheel, I haven't found it.

Paragon and renegade need to go away, if only to encourage people to actually pay attention and think for themselves instead of mindlessly hammering one spot on the dialogue wheel ("That makes me a good person! Right? RIGHT?!").



I did a thread on this a while back. I'd be curious how Bioware's statistics would have panned out were it not for the bias introduced by the (largely defunct) karma meter.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 22 juin 2013 - 10:28 .