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[Abraham_uk]

Sentinel gives you tanking, access to biotics and tech. Is the only class in ME 2 that can remove all protections (has warp and overload).

Infiltrator provides stealth, head shot damage, time dilation when you look down the scope of a sniper rifle.

They're both really good. They become insanely overpowered in Mass Effect 3.
Infiltrator is the better choice in ME 3 for the huge power damage bonuses you get with tactical cloak. The Flare infiltrator is the most powerful caster around. Combine that with the best weapon damage then it's infiltrator hands down.

However in ME 2, Sentinel is far superior. The tech armor gives you the necessary damage protection to get in close with a shotgun. Once you get Assault Armor, you probably won't be using your other powers. It would just be tech armor spam and getting in close for shotgun kills.

[Abraham_uk]

It's a matter of time before capn 233 and Red Ceasar come in with their thoughts on the topic.

For me personally I prefer the Sentinel, though I do love all 6 classes.
Sentinel is just a great versatile class with a power for every situation. I actually preferred Sentinel in ME3 simply because my tech armor didn't automatically detonate, freeing my cool down for using my other powers.

[capn233]

Sentinel is probably the easiest class to get through Insanity with if you build for Assault Armor and spam it. Especially if you also have LOTSB and can take Stasis.

Infiltrator is ok, and a lot of people choose it for their Insanity class, although really it is an overrated class in ME2. TacCloak will of course usually break enemy fire though (except rockets that are already locked), which is why people like it. Early game is somewhat tedious if you aren't proficient with the Shuriken and do not take Neural Shock or invest in Incinerate.

For ME3 both classes are very powerful so go Sentinel if you want tankiness or Infiltrator if you want weapon damage.

[brad2240]

Sentinel really shines on Hardcore (and Insanity) in ME2. Everything has protections and the Sent is the only class that can strip them all without dipping into bonus powers. However, if you just play the Assault Sentinel you probably wont be using, or need to use, all those fancy powers very much. It plays a lot more like a Soldier than a caster. I prefer the caster style myself, but the Assault style is arguably the strongest class in that game.

In 3, Sentinel leans more towards a caster, but can also work very well as a tank and is the only class that can have two defensive powers. Fortification, Barrier or Defense Matrix will stack with Tech Armor, making the Sent extremely hard to kill.

It's the most versatile class in both games, IMO, so that would be my recommendation for your next play through.

[Abraham_uk]

Quick summary of what we've said.

Sentinel is strong in both Mass Effect 2 & 3.
Infiltrator is strong in Mass Effect 3 but weak in Mass Effect 2.

So judging by that criteria, Sentinel will make you strong in both games.

[brad2240]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Quick summary of what we've said.

Sentinel is strong in both Mass Effect 2 & 3.
Infiltrator is strong in Mass Effect 3 but weak in Mass Effect 2.

So judging by that criteria, Sentinel will make you strong in both games.

Agreed on Sentinel, but do you really feel the Infiltrator is "weak" in ME2?

[capn233]

brad2240 wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

Quick summary of what we've said.

Sentinel is strong in both Mass Effect 2 & 3.
Infiltrator is strong in Mass Effect 3 but weak in Mass Effect 2.

So judging by that criteria, Sentinel will make you strong in both games.

Agreed on Sentinel, but do you really feel the Infiltrator is "weak" in ME2?

Bwahaha

Vanilla infiltrator is somewhat weak early game since you can't lean on the Mantis (ammo capacity was horrendous).  If you aren't good with the Shuriken and don't have Kasumi DLC for the Locust, you might be in for a tough time.  Cloak does allow you to break most aggro though, which is why people like it and will tend to recommend it for Insanity.  But the aggro breaking isn't necessarily allowing you to complete the mission faster and also tends to get your squad killed.

Some of that is why I think Neural Shock is about the best bonus for an Infiltrator as it allows you a rapid cooldown CC power to more easily dance within Shuriken range.  Also instead of blowing all points in TacCloak and Passive early, you need to get Incinerate for extra damage or combination of CC / damage (NS is pure CC with no damage).

A lot of people would point to Adept as the weakest class in ME2 though.  But I would say that many underrate the Adept as much as they might overrate Infiltrator.

[billpickles]

I went through Hardcore recently with a Locust/Viper/Shotgun Infiltrator. Pretty dang easy. I think I had a little trouble with the 2nd Praetorian, but that's about it.

That said, I could never find a spec that was quite right with the ME2 Infiltrator. I needed another point or two to really have the build I wanted, and I ended up respeccing several times throughout the game, never being fully satisfied with it.

Also...I took the shotgun on the Collector Ship 'cause I like the Viper and wanted something different than the standard Widow Infiltrator. Then I proceeded to actually use a shotgun like two or three times the rest of the game. Guess I'm just not a shotgun guy...

[Abraham_uk]

brad2240 wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

Quick summary of what we've said.

Sentinel is strong in both Mass Effect 2 & 3.
Infiltrator is strong in Mass Effect 3 but weak in Mass Effect 2.

So judging by that criteria, Sentinel will make you strong in both games.

Agreed on Sentinel, but do you really feel the Infiltrator is "weak" in ME2?

When I used the word "weak" I meant compared to the sentinel.

Of course all 6 classes are actually pretty strong in all 3 games. With a good build you can really excel regardless of what class you choose. All 6 classes have some overpowered builds if you experiment around.

By the time I picked the infiltrator in Mass Effect 2, I was on my 4th playthrough, so I knew what I was doing. But having said that, if I had chosen this class for first playthrough, I would have found insanity to be quite tough.

[J4mes]

The Sentinel in ME3 can be made unkillable if you stack Fortification with maxed DR on both Armors.
Combine that with every Shield/Shield-Recharge Upgrades and Shepard Armors, you can just walk around with your biggest guns killing everything.

You can even make that build into a pseudo Adept build by making Throw recharge on Biotic Explosions by utilizing Liara's max cooldown specd Singularity.

Warp can be used to debuff Atlases/Brutes/Harvesters/Etc. and Overload to strip those Boss Unit's Shields.

The useless ability is basically Cryo Blast, ignore it completely. Max Lift Grenades as you see fit.

Sentinel is the best class if you are actually having trouble beating the game on Insanity, and don't want to be a puss and put it on Storymode or lower the Difficulty.

[brad2240]

capn233 wrote...

A lot of people would point to Adept as the weakest class in ME2 though.  But I would say that many underrate the Adept as much as they might overrate Infiltrator.

I agree with that whole-heartedly.

[brad2240]

Apologies for the double post.

Abraham_uk wrote...

When I used the word "weak" I meant compared to the sentinel.

Of course all 6 classes are actually pretty strong in all 3 games. With a good build you can really excel regardless of what class you choose. All 6 classes have some overpowered builds if you experiment around.

By the time I picked the infiltrator in Mass Effect 2, I was on my 4th playthrough, so I knew what I was doing. But having said that, if I had chosen this class for first playthrough, I would have found insanity to be quite tough.

I agree with that assessment. I interpreted your previous statement as class vs. enemy instead of class vs. class. My bad.

[billpickles]

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

 Adept

/thread

Yes, because your individual and completely unsupported/unelaborated opinion obviously ends all discussion on the matter.  Nevermind that you answered C when OP asked for a choice between A and B.

Modifié par billpickles, 27 juin 2013 - 07:28 .

[known_hero]

brad2240 wrote...

capn233 wrote...

A lot of people would point to Adept as the weakest class in ME2 though.  But I would say that many underrate the Adept as much as they might overrate Infiltrator.

I agree with that whole-heartedly.

The Adept IS the weakest class in ME2 simply because the other classes are stronger. However, that doesn't mean the Adept is a weakling; it's a very powerful class when played correctly.

[capn233]

Perhaps. I just mean that everyone that said it was terrible back in the day was underrating it. The class balance was pretty good in ME2, people were just mad that biotics weren't as crazy as in ME1.

[brad2240]

known_hero wrote...

The Adept IS the weakest class in ME2 simply because the other classes are stronger. However, that doesn't mean the Adept is a weakling; it's a very powerful class when played correctly.

Maybe it is the weakest. I could make an argument about another class being weakest but this isn't the thread for it and it would just get me flamed anyway. Regardless, the difference between "strongest" and "weakest" in ME2 is pretty marginal, IMO. I agree with you that the Adept is incredibly strong when played right.

[billpickles]

Oh, come on now, Brad. Now we're all just dying to know. Let's get this flame war started.

Infiltrator? Vanguard? Let's have at it...

[brad2240]

You're gonna get me in trouble bill!

Yes, Infiltrator is the weakest, IMO, or maybe tied with Adept at the bottom of the barrel, so to speak. But keep in mind, I think the difference between weakest and strongest is slim and the class balance is ME2 is very good. And I do enjoy playing the Infiltrator a lot and I don't think its a bad class by any means.

I'm going to take cover now...

[BigBad]

Infiltrator the weakest? Well, that's one I haven't heard before.

[billpickles]

Only took 19 minutes...good job, sir!

[brad2240]

billpickles wrote...

Only took 19 minutes...good job, sir!

LOL

[capn233]

BigBad wrote...

Infiltrator the weakest? Well, that's one I haven't heard before.

I made a thread on that topic before ME3 came out.

Vanilla infiltrator is a pretty good boss killer but you don't have great CC and are limited to CQB weapons on a class without any tanking powers (you have the Mantis, but the ammo capacity on it is tragic).  You can try to get around it with cloak, but time spent maneuvering in cloak is not time spent damaging the enemy.  Also if you are playing the game normally, it just dumps the aggro on your squad, which isn't all that tanky in ME2 either.

The interesting thing about the class is that the cloak mechanics make it fairly accessible for someone that is inexperienced to take on Insanity, although your clear times won't be all that great.  If you do know what you are doing, you can probably use the Shuriken and Incinerate to decent effect and do well until you get your weapon training on DCC.

Cloak mechanics also make it a decent choice if you decide to try to play the game solo, although you can do that with all classes if you so desire, especially Vanguard and Assault Sentinel.

When you throw bonus powers into the mix you can help Infiltrator a bit.  Neural Shock early game is very nice since it has nearly half the cooldown of your other powers.  Locust gives you more mid-long range punch as well as good ammo capacity.