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[cjones91]

MisterJB wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
Petrify+Earth Fist results in you being shattered into a hundred pieces.

Petrify is dependant on the enemy failing a physical resistance check. Sword and Shield warriors; which is the tree that contains Bulwark of the Ages; have very high constitution.
Basically, I tank and petrify doesn't work. And Stone Fist does no damage because of BOTA.

Hmm....good point.But can you tank a Sleep+Waking Nightmare+Drain Life combo?All three aren't dependant on physical resistence so I got you now.

[MisterJB]

Drain Life has no effect. Immune to damage, remember?
Waking Nightmare would affect me but it only lasts for 20 seconds, which is the same amount of time Carapace + BOTA work for. So, even if I am asleep, you still can't hurt me.
Plus, I can always use Beyond the Veil + Blessing of the Fade which increases resistance to hostile spells and might be enough to prevent Sleep+Waking Nightmare.

And here is a combo for you.
BullWark of the Ages + Blood Thirst + Blessing of the Fade + Peon's Plight.
First, I become immune to damage then I increase attack and movement speed twice; at the cost of no life points, because, again, immune to damage; which means I can get close to you before you cast a spell; and even if you do manage to cast one, Blessing of the Fade increases resistance to hostile spells; and then I either kill you instantly; double critical hit or critical hit you.

[cjones91]

MisterJB wrote...

Drain Life has no effect. Immune to damage, remember?
Waking Nightmare would affect me but it only lasts for 20 seconds, which is the same amount of time Carapace + BOTA work for. So, even if I am asleep, you still can't hurt me.
Plus, I can always use Beyond the Veil + Blessing of the Fade which increases resistance to hostile spells and might be enough to prevent Sleep+Waking Nightmare.

And here is a combo for you.
BullWark of the Ages + Blood Thirst + Blessing of the Fade + Peon's Plight.
First, I become immune to damage then I increase attack and movement speed twice; at the cost of no life points, because, again, immune to damage; which means I can get close to you before you cast a spell; and even if you do manage to cast one, Blessing of the Fade increases resistance to hostile spells; and then I either kill you instantly; double critical hit or critical hit you.

Crap,there's no way I can beat that combo....Do you accept a surrender?

[MisterJB]

Of course, of course. I'd just take you to the nearest Circle.

[Gwydden]

MisterJB wrote...

Of course, of course. I'd just take you to the nearest Circle.

Damn, the only way I can think to beat that is with Cutscene Incompetence (from the beloved Plot talent tree). But what do I care? Not a mage.

*Walks away whistling*

[Gwydden]

For the sake of bringing the thread back on topic and add to the discussion, here goes the first draft of a little and rather unoriginal pro-templar letter. I  might update it later, once I make progress with it.

Dear cousin:

I am aware that I have not always been there for you, and it pains me greatly that I have
not been able to be the family you wish and deserve. Still, considering your
position, I am sure you understand that this is not the way I intended it to
be. Duty called us both, and we had no choice but to go our separate paths. As
much as I would love to assist you in your current challenges, I cannot do so
without neglecting my responsibilities. I hope you will find it in your heart
to forgive me.

I write seeking your help in a matter of the utmost importance. You are aware of the
recent events regarding the both the Circle and my Order breaking away from the
Chantry. As much of a sin as defying the Divine might seem, I am certain the
Maker will understand our position. It is our Order’s duty to protect mages
from mundanes, and mundanes from mages. Nothing can stop us in this holy task,
and as long as the mages refuse to acknowledge our authority there can be no
peace.

You know better than anyone, sweet cousin, the reason the Templars exist. Men are weak
and easily corrupted, a fact you deal with in a daily basis, and it is a sad
truth that mages are more subject to temptation than others.  Clearly, that they exist is the Maker’s will,
and theirs is a valuable gift indeed. If we lived in a perfect world, we would
be free to embrace them like siblings and marvel at the wonders they can
achieve. Unfortunately, we do not.

As long as demons keep entering our world, Templars will be necessary. As long as the most
base flaws keep tainting the hearts of men, Templars will be necessary. The
purity of mages cannot be counted upon, so close vigilance becomes necessary.
If your tender heart has managed to survive since we separated, you might be
tempted to help their misguided attempt at a revolution. Some may give you poor
advice, and for that I beg you to listen to mine, too, and take it into
consideration.

Everyone should be free, the mages might tell you to defend their cause. They fail to realize
none of us truly is. Otherwise, utter chaos would reign. There are boundaries
imposed upon us all. That is the reason laws exist. Innocence is irrelevant,
since even a honorable person may commit evil deeds, with the proper
motivation. Magic gives unrestricted power, the power to destroy and control as
well as the power to heal. All it takes is a little anger, a little greed, for
it to go out of hand. Great men have fallen for less.

The Harrowing is a subject our detractors like to paint in a negative light. I am
sure you are aware of the intricacies of it. It is a dangerous process, but
fundamental. How else do you instill how dangerous the Fade is into
inexperienced apprentices? How else do you give them an actual preparation for
resisting demonic possession?

 I still remember my first Harrowing. The apprentice failed and we had to put him down. I will spare you the details. As tragic as it was, had it not happened there and then, with Templars and trained enchanters to keep watch, it would have later, and then tragic would not even begin to describe it. Apprentices are warned and given thorough training. That is all we can do for them. One death remains better than a dozen later. If I had knowledge of a better method, I would not hesitate to use it. To this day, however, the Harrowing is all we have.

There are attacks of a more personal nature as well. Templars abusing of mages seems to
be in every mouth this day. They have made their way to you, I have no doubt.
That the Order has to suffer for the crimes of a few rotten apples… You can
imagine how I feel. Kirkwall is a particularly deep wound to our pride. The
Seekers somehow managed to neglect the city for entire years, and corruption ran
rampant. I cannot say I pity Knight Commander Stannard’s end, if she allowed it
to reach such extremes. I assure you that I will do anything within my powers
to make sure the culprits of any questionable acts are brought to justice
before they bring more shame to the Order.

We have kept order for centuries. Orlais could not be the great nation it is with
abominations and blood mages running rampant. All we have ever asked of mages
is their contribution to the safety of the common man. All we require are small
sacrifices, the least they owe for the Maker’s gift. We have given them much in
return. They have been granted comfort, knowledge, welfare. Most Orlesians
could not hope for more. They forget that we Templars also protect them easily
enough, as they focus on the worst there is to us.

It is come to the worse. They have left us without alternatives. The Divine would want to
mediate, but I do not believe peaceful compromise is possible. Mages do not
seem willing to settle for any less than absolute freedom, and we could not
relent to their desire without betraying our duty to the people.  The only solution is forcing them back into
the Circle. I fear many from both sides will die before the end. A swift end to
the conflict is the best we can all hope for.

I know you. I am aware of your wisdom, and I have always admired it. I also know there are
matters that seem more urgent to you right now. However, take into account this
is a war that will shape the path our society will take. Remember we Templars fight
to preserve order. Remember the history of Old Tevinter and of the Inquisition
my Order was born from, and consider the consequences of a mage victory. Above
all, remember me, your loving cousin, and how I have always struggled for what
I consider best. It is time for you to decide what is right. May the Maker aid
you in this and all your endeavors.

Love,

Lothair.

Letter of Knight-Captain Lothair to Empress Celene, signed in Montsimmard in the 9:40 of the Dragon Age.

Modifié par Gwydden, 26 octobre 2013 - 02:55 .

[Hellion Rex]

Gwydden wrote...

For the sake of bringing the thread back on topic and add to the discussion, here goes the first draft of a little and rather unoriginal pro-templar letter. I  might update it later, once I make progress with it.

Dear cousin:

I am aware that I have not always been there for you, and it pains me greatly that I have
not been able to be the family you wish and deserve. Still, considering your
position, I am sure you understand that this is not the way I intended it to
be. Duty called us both, and we had no choice but to go our separate paths. As
much as I would love to assist you in your current challenges, I cannot do so
without neglecting my responsibilities. I hope you will find it in your heart
to forgive me.

I write seeking your help in a matter of the utmost importance. You are aware of the
recent events regarding the both the Circle and my Order breaking away from the
Chantry. As much of a sin as defying the Divine might seem, I am certain the
Maker will understand our position. It is our Order’s duty to protect mages
from mundanes, and mundanes from mages. Nothing can stop us in this holy task,
and as long as the mages refuse to acknowledge our authority there can be no
peace.

You know better than anyone, sweet cousin, the reason the Templars exist. Men are weak
and easily corrupted, a fact you deal with in a daily basis, and it is a sad
truth that mages are more subject to temptation than others.  Clearly, that they exist is the Maker’s will,
and theirs is a valuable gift indeed. If we lived in a perfect world, we would
be free to embrace them like siblings and marvel at the wonders they can
achieve. Unfortunately, we do not.

As long as demons keep entering our world, Templars will be necessary. As long as the most
base flaws keep tainting the hearts of men, Templars will be necessary. The
purity of mages cannot be counted upon, so close vigilance becomes necessary.
If your tender heart has managed to survive since we separated, you might be
tempted to help their misguided attempt at a revolution. Some may give you poor
advice, and for that I beg you to listen to mine, too, and take it into
consideration.

Everyone should be free, the mages might tell you to defend their cause. They fail to realize
none of us truly is. Otherwise, utter chaos would reign. There are boundaries
imposed upon us all. That is the reason laws exist. Innocence is irrelevant,
since even a honorable person may commit evil deeds, with the proper
motivation. Magic gives unrestricted power, the power to destroy and control as
well as the power to heal. All it takes is a little anger, a little greed, for
it to go out of hand. Great men have fallen for less.

The Harrowing is a subject our detractors like to paint in a negative light. I am
sure you are aware of the intricacies of it. It is a dangerous process, but
fundamental. How else do you instill how dangerous the Fade is into
inexperienced apprentices? How else do you give them an actual preparation for
resisting demonic possession?

 I still remember my first Harrowing. The apprentice failed and we had to put him down. I will spare you the details. As tragic as it was, had it not happened there and then, with Templars and trained enchanters to keep watch, it would have later, and then tragic would not even begin to describe it. Apprentices are warned and given thorough training. That is all we can do for them. One death remains better than a dozen later. If I had knowledge of a better method, I would not hesitate to use it. To this day, however, the Harrowing is all we have.

There are attacks of a more personal nature as well. Templars abusing of mages seems to
be in every mouth this day. They have made their way to you, I have no doubt.
That the Order has to suffer for the crimes of a few rotten apples… You can
imagine how I feel. Kirkwall is a particularly deep wound to our pride. The
Seekers somehow managed to neglect the city for entire years, and corruption ran
rampant. I cannot say I pity Knight Commander Stannard’s end, if she allowed it
to reach such extremes. I assure you that I will do anything within my powers
to make sure the culprits of any questionable acts are brought to justice
before they bring more shame to the Order.

We have kept order for centuries. Orlais could not be the great nation it is with
abominations and blood mages running rampant. All we have ever asked of mages
is their contribution to the safety of the common man. All we require are small
sacrifices, the least they owe for the Maker’s gift. We have given them much in
return. They have been granted comfort, knowledge, welfare. Most Orlesians
could not hope for more. They forget that we Templars also protect them easily
enough, as they focus on the worst there is to us.

It is come to the worse. They have left us without alternatives. The Divine would want to
mediate, but I do not believe peaceful compromise is possible. Mages do not
seem willing to settle for any less than absolute freedom, and we could not
relent to their desire without betraying our duty to the people.  The only solution is forcing them back into
the Circle. I fear many from both sides will die before the end. A swift end to
the conflict is the best we can all hope for.

I know you. I am aware of your wisdom, and I have always admired it. I also know there are
matters that seem more urgent to you right now. However, take into account this
is a war that will shape the path our society will take. Remember we Templars fight
to preserve order. Remember the history of Old Tevinter and of the Inquisition
my Order was born from, and consider the consequences of a mage victory. Above
all, remember me, your loving cousin, and how I have always struggled for what
I consider best. It is time for you to decide what is right. May the Maker aid
you in this and all your endeavors.

Love,

Lothair.

Letter of Knight-Captain Lothair to Empress Celene, signed in Montsimmard in the 9:40 of the Dragon Age.

I find it very sincere. I like it a lot. And cousin to the Empress? I think that gives it a nice touch.

[Ieldra]

@Gwydden:
Very nice indeed. IMO the mage/templar debate acquires a very different tone if channeled through characters that way. This templar is one I would not casually dismiss. A reasonable pro-mage position recognizes that templar skills are needed and that the danger of possession may justify some otherwise undesirable measures. The extent of those, to whom they are applied and the ideology behind them, that is what the conflict is all about. A middle-ground solution is not impossible, but it must be based on recognizing the mages as equals.

[Ieldra]

Youth4Ever wrote...
"What you do not understand is that Chantry separation and true liberation are crucially, invariably at odds. True liberation is "of the third kind". It is alien, it is Lucrosian, but it can achieve, in the end, every goal set by the Libertarian fraternity, and do so without their war cries and histrionics."

Eorlin writes:

"You could not be more wrong. Separation from the Chantry lies at the very heart of mage liberation. Perhaps this will become more obvious if I phrase it in general terms:

The freedom to leave any nation, religion or other group is one of the most basic freedoms, because preventing you from leaving is the first step in your enslavement, and in fact its most defining aspect.

The only people who are regularly denied that freedom are children, criminals and slaves, and only slaves are denied it permanently(*) and independently from anything they might have done do merit punishment. To accept anyone's authority to prevent mages past their apprenticeship from leaving means to accept a state of enslavement.

It is not unthinkable that we co-operate with the Chantry in dealing with rogue mages and the danger of possession, but if we do that, it must be on the basis of a treaty among equals, not on accepting their authority over mages in general. Most notably, It cannot be a precondition for such co-operation that we accept their authority. If they don't want mages to leave, they should make it so that the mages don't want to leave. That, too, is not unthinkable, because there are tangible benefits to living in a Circle. However, a necessary part of what would make living in a Circle bearable is the knowledge that you could leave, if you wanted, and that it is your choice in whose support you use your powers.

Note that this reasoning equally applies to everyone, not just mages. I hereby proclaim it a basic right of any man or woman of Thedas, regardless of race, religion or culture, to leave any nation, religion or other group and revoke their allegiance to it. I accept the establishment of that right as a sacred duty for myself, and I hope others will follow me in that."

[(*) I am assuming that life sentences don't exist on Thedas, and that criminals we would consider to deserve them are rather killed.]

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 octobre 2013 - 07:39 .

[Tremere]

cjones91 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Drain Life has no effect. Immune to damage, remember?
Waking Nightmare would affect me but it only lasts for 20 seconds, which is the same amount of time Carapace + BOTA work for. So, even if I am asleep, you still can't hurt me.
Plus, I can always use Beyond the Veil + Blessing of the Fade which increases resistance to hostile spells and might be enough to prevent Sleep+Waking Nightmare.

And here is a combo for you.
BullWark of the Ages + Blood Thirst + Blessing of the Fade + Peon's Plight.
First, I become immune to damage then I increase attack and movement speed twice; at the cost of no life points, because, again, immune to damage; which means I can get close to you before you cast a spell; and even if you do manage to cast one, Blessing of the Fade increases resistance to hostile spells; and then I either kill you instantly; double critical hit or critical hit you.

Crap,there's no way I can beat that combo....Do you accept a surrender?

Hmph... I've found that Dispel works quite nicely against Templars too. Also, no Mage should stand fast, waiting for a Templar to get close enough to strike. You have 'Range' to your advantage... Use it. Stick and move while your mana recharges.

Modifié par GabrielXL, 27 octobre 2013 - 09:14 .

[Gwydden]

I thank the comments on my last post. I was thinking that, to even things out a little, and as a comment on Ieldra's last creation, I might write another letter from the mage perspective. I tried to keep it short this time.

Not a bloody soul cares about your bickering.

This war is a joke. Mages arguing with one another, trying to put themselves in the moral high ground. Templars arguing with one another, every one of them with more nonsensical self-righteousness than the next. Each side paints the other as demons as they try to instill sympathies in the uncaring masses. It is both amusing and pitiful. Let me unwrap some truths for you, my fellow mages.

You can keep fighting one another over who is right and who is wrong. It will gain you nothing. People are rarely  persuaded with words only. You can cry to the world that freedom is your right. What is that? Why should it matter? Everyone is convinced that it is their right to have more than they already have. They will help you if it suits their interest and ignore you if you will bring them nothing but trouble. You cannot fight over the moral high ground because there is not one.

Do you truly believe there is some sort of natural order, a predetermined way everything should be? If the Maker wanted mages to be slaves, why allow Old Tevinter, then? Why allow Tevinter today? If he wanted us to be rulers, why let the Circles exist? He either doesn’t care or is not paying attention to the world. In either case, we are left to fend for ourselves.

This is how it works: the victor defines the rules. Freedom is not a right. There are no such things as rights, not truly. It is a privilege. You cannot hope to earn your liberation by talking others to dead on how much you deserve freedom. What have you done to deserve it? Breaking off the Orlesian Chantry was a bold move, but are you willing to take it to its bitter end?

You have to earn what you want. Not beg for it, not demand it. Earn it. You want to be in the right? Win the bloody war. Then the bickering can begin.

This letter was written by Magister Nero in Minrathous, in the 9:40 of the Dragon Age. Several copies of it were sent to Circles all over Thedas.

Modifié par Gwydden, 27 octobre 2013 - 01:46 .

[Ieldra]

A refreshing perspective, Gwydden. To be honest, Eorlin would probably agree to much of it, though never where others might hear. All that political rhetoric is, while not exactly dishonest, primarily aimed at bringing mages under one banner, as part of a strategy to "win the war".

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 octobre 2013 - 02:16 .

[lil yonce]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...
"What you do not understand is that Chantry separation and true liberation are crucially, invariably at odds. True liberation is "of the third kind". It is alien, it is Lucrosian, but it can achieve, in the end, every goal set by the Libertarian fraternity, and do so without their war cries and histrionics."

Eorlin writes:
"You could not be more wrong. Separation from the Chantry lies at the very heart of mage liberation. Perhaps this will become more obvious if I phrase it in general terms: The freedom to leave any nation, religion or other group is one of the most basic freedoms, because preventing you from leaving is the first step in your enslavement, and in fact its most defining aspect. The only people who are regularly denied that freedom are children, criminals and slaves, and only slaves are denied it permanently(*) and independently from anything they might have done do merit punishment. To accept anyone's authority to prevent mages past their apprenticeship from leaving means to accept a state of enslavement. It is not unthinkable that we co-operate with the Chantry in dealing with rogue mages and the danger of possession, but if we do that, it must be on the basis of a treaty among equals, not on accepting their authority over mages in general. Most notably, It cannot be a precondition for such co-operation that we accept their authority. If they don't want mages to leave, they should make it so that the mages don't want to leave. That, too, is not unthinkable, because there are tangible benefits to living in a Circle. However, a necessary part of what would make living in a Circle bearable is the knowledge that you could leave, if you wanted, and that it is your choice in whose support you use your powers. Note that this reasoning equally applies to everyone, not just mages. I hereby proclaim it a basic right of any man or woman of Thedas, regardless of race, religion or culture, to leave any nation, religion or other group and revoke their allegiance to it. I accept the establishment of that right as a sacred duty for myself, and I hope others will follow me in that."
[(*) I am assuming that life sentences don't exist on Thedas, and that criminals we would consider to deserve them are rather killed.]

"Very nice rhetoric, but, remarkably, you miss the plain truth of the matter. I have read your letter on Circle direction-- to summarize, you conclude the support of the Divine, the recruitment of Chantry templars and seekers in Circle guardianship, control over the Chantry lyrium supply and trade, and Chantry moral and political legitimacy necessary to revolution. Why not specify also the keys to the Grand Cathedral for the bed you are planning to make with the so-called "oppressors" appears cozy enough that the sisters would offer them up glady on a silver platter? Idependence as you describe it-- our fate inexorably tied to the Chantry. Warden, you are far closer to the Lucrosian mindset than you realize. My fraternity understands it would be completely foolish to war over what is becoming under Justinia V historical dogma and culture. And as magi require firm autonomy, thedosians require firm security-- neither will be delievered by obstinate, utopian Libertarian ideology. Compromise, as I have laid it out, is simple and its benefits to all parties readily apparent."

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 28 octobre 2013 - 06:12 .

[Xilizhra]

"Very nice rhetoric, but, remarkably, you miss the plain truth of the matter. I have read your letter on Circle direction-- to summarize, you conclude the support of the Divine, the recruitment of Chantry templars and seekers in Circle guardianship, control over the Chantry lyrium supply and trade, and Chantry moral and political legitimacy necessary to revolution. Why not specify also the keys to the Grand Cathedral for the bed you are planning to make with the so-called "oppressors" appears cozy enough that the sisters would offer them up glady on a silver platter? Idependence as you describe it-- our fate inexorably tied to the Chantry. Friend, you are far closer to the Lucrosian mindset than you realize. My fraternity understands it would be completely foolish to war over what is becoming under Justinia V historical dogma and culture. And as magi require firm autonomy, thedosians require firm security-- neither will be delievered by obstinate utopian Libertarian ideology. Compromise, as I have laid it out, is simple and its benefits to all parties readily apparent."

"Unfortunately, you yourself miss the fact that the templars are the problems of every mage, and they must be defeated before any possible compromise with the Chantry. This war was never about dominance from us, but about survival."

[lil yonce]

Xilizhra wrote...
"Unfortunately, you yourself miss the fact that the templars are the problems of every mage, and they must be defeated before any possible compromise with the Chantry. This war was never about dominance from us, but about survival."

"The address you provided is invalid. This letter cannot be delievered and will be returned to sender."

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 28 octobre 2013 - 06:08 .

[Xilizhra]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
"Unfortunately, you yourself miss the fact that the templars are the problems of every mage, and they must be defeated before any possible compromise with the Chantry. This war was never about dominance from us, but about survival."

"The address you provided is invalid. This letter cannot be delievered and will be returned to sender."

That's blatantly cheating. Unless you want me to create some kind of new persona for this.

[lil yonce]

Xilizhra wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
"Unfortunately, you yourself miss the fact that the templars are the problems of every mage, and they must be defeated before any possible compromise with the Chantry. This war was never about dominance from us, but about survival."

"The address you provided is invalid. This letter cannot be delievered and will be returned to sender."

That's blatantly cheating. Unless you want me to create some kind of new persona for this.

:innocent: Fine, no "cheating". "Player 3 has entered the game." Introduce your character, please.

[Xilizhra]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
"Unfortunately, you yourself miss the fact that the templars are the problems of every mage, and they must be defeated before any possible compromise with the Chantry. This war was never about dominance from us, but about survival."

"The address you provided is invalid. This letter cannot be delievered and will be returned to sender."

That's blatantly cheating. Unless you want me to create some kind of new persona for this.

:innocent: Fine, no "cheating". "Player 3 has entered the game." Introduce your character, please.

Sorry, editing now. Jana Hawke, Acting First Enchanter of the survivors of Kirkwall's Circle.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 28 octobre 2013 - 06:24 .

[dragonflight288]

Addressed to Jana Hawke

Mistress Hawke, I have heard of your act of defending mages in Kirkwall, a sentiment I'm sure is carried over by many, whether their opinions be good or ill. Rather than go into the nonsensical drivel I am sure you have become accustomed to, I would instead ask your opinion on the matter of magical security, that is to say, how should mages defend themselves and others from abominations and blood mages.

Despite being a mage myself, I am first and foremost a Grey Warden and will remain neutral in this escalating conflict until such a time either side forces my hand, whether through interfering the Wardens themselves or should King Alistair command it. I am the acting Arl of Amaranthine, after all, and must submit to the will of the crown on all matters not related to Darkspawn.

I have written once, many months ago about the dangers or the perception of magic by the non-magicals, or mundanes as they have been referred, and have warned about the dangers of being perceived as blood mages so soon after declaring Independence from the Chantry itself, that if the reputation is gained all that may be gained, from the eye of the common man, is a justification for the Circle's to begin with.

Mistress Hawke, allow me to reiterate, I would inquire to know where you yourself stand on the issue of magical security, especially since I have recently heard that First Enchanter Orsino had turned himself into a Harvester, and having faced one myself barely a year ago, I hope you can lay the fears of many hear and abroad to rest.

Awaiting your correspondence,

Daylen Amell, Warden Commander of Ferelden.

[Hellion Rex]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Addressed to Jana Hawke

Mistress Hawke, I have heard of your act of defending mages in Kirkwall, a sentiment I'm sure is carried over by many, whether their opinions be good or ill. Rather than go into the nonsensical drivel I am sure you have become accustomed to, I would instead ask your opinion on the matter of magical security, that is to say, how should mages defend themselves and others from abominations and blood mages.

Despite being a mage myself, I am first and foremost a Grey Warden and will remain neutral in this escalating conflict until such a time either side forces my hand, whether through interfering the Wardens themselves or should King Alistair command it. I am the acting Arl of Amaranthine, after all, and must submit to the will of the crown on all matters not related to Darkspawn.

I have written once, many months ago about the dangers or the perception of magic by the non-magicals, or mundanes as they have been referred, and have warned about the dangers of being perceived as blood mages so soon after declaring Independence from the Chantry itself, that if the reputation is gained all that may be gained, from the eye of the common man, is a justification for the Circle's to begin with.

Mistress Hawke, allow me to reiterate, I would inquire to know where you yourself stand on the issue of magical security, especially since I have recently heard that First Enchanter Orsino had turned himself into a Harvester, and having faced one myself barely a year ago, I hope you can lay the fears of many hear and abroad to rest.

Awaiting your correspondence,

Daylen Amell, Warden Commander of Ferelden.

Spoken like a true Amell. Btw, shouldn't you have mentioned your familial relations?

[lil yonce]

Xilizhra wrote...
Sorry, editing now. Jana Hawke, Acting First Enchanter of the survivors of Kirkwall's Circle.

Got it.

"Unfortunately, you yourself miss the fact that the templars are the problems of every mage, and they must be defeated before any possible compromise with the Chantry. This war was never about dominance from us, but about survival."

"All mages do not subscribe to Libertarian extremes, and neither do all templars subscribe to the extremes their current leaders endorse. Simply, they have first been rallied by them. Essential strategy in Lucrosian compromise lies in enlisting skeptics. The order's inflexible remnants can then be handled without incredible bloodshed."

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 28 octobre 2013 - 07:59 .

[dragonflight288]

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Addressed to Jana Hawke

Mistress Hawke, I have heard of your act of defending mages in Kirkwall, a sentiment I'm sure is carried over by many, whether their opinions be good or ill. Rather than go into the nonsensical drivel I am sure you have become accustomed to, I would instead ask your opinion on the matter of magical security, that is to say, how should mages defend themselves and others from abominations and blood mages.

Despite being a mage myself, I am first and foremost a Grey Warden and will remain neutral in this escalating conflict until such a time either side forces my hand, whether through interfering the Wardens themselves or should King Alistair command it. I am the acting Arl of Amaranthine, after all, and must submit to the will of the crown on all matters not related to Darkspawn.

I have written once, many months ago about the dangers or the perception of magic by the non-magicals, or mundanes as they have been referred, and have warned about the dangers of being perceived as blood mages so soon after declaring Independence from the Chantry itself, that if the reputation is gained all that may be gained, from the eye of the common man, is a justification for the Circle's to begin with.

Mistress Hawke, allow me to reiterate, I would inquire to know where you yourself stand on the issue of magical security, especially since I have recently heard that First Enchanter Orsino had turned himself into a Harvester, and having faced one myself barely a year ago, I hope you can lay the fears of many hear and abroad to rest.

Awaiting your correspondence,

Daylen Amell, Warden Commander of Ferelden.

Spoken like a true Amell. Btw, shouldn't you have mentioned your familial relations?

Daylen doesn't care. He was separated from his family while he was too young to remember anything concrete.

He's like a Lucrosian/Libertarian mix. What helps him with fighting darkspawn, or his friendship/loyalty to King Alistair, he'll sign up with. Daylen is likely going to care about the events of Kirkwall only so far as how they'll effect the Wardens, and how he's perceived by people for being a mage, and if it'll get in the way of doing his job. If templars or seekers came by to arrest him, he'd deal with them decisively and with extreme prejudice, but he would also do the same to mages who try to coerce him into the conflict as well because he's a mage.

[Xilizhra]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Addressed to Jana Hawke

Mistress Hawke, I have heard of your act of defending mages in Kirkwall, a sentiment I'm sure is carried over by many, whether their opinions be good or ill. Rather than go into the nonsensical drivel I am sure you have become accustomed to, I would instead ask your opinion on the matter of magical security, that is to say, how should mages defend themselves and others from abominations and blood mages.

Despite being a mage myself, I am first and foremost a Grey Warden and will remain neutral in this escalating conflict until such a time either side forces my hand, whether through interfering the Wardens themselves or should King Alistair command it. I am the acting Arl of Amaranthine, after all, and must submit to the will of the crown on all matters not related to Darkspawn.

I have written once, many months ago about the dangers or the perception of magic by the non-magicals, or mundanes as they have been referred, and have warned about the dangers of being perceived as blood mages so soon after declaring Independence from the Chantry itself, that if the reputation is gained all that may be gained, from the eye of the common man, is a justification for the Circle's to begin with.

Mistress Hawke, allow me to reiterate, I would inquire to know where you yourself stand on the issue of magical security, especially since I have recently heard that First Enchanter Orsino had turned himself into a Harvester, and having faced one myself barely a year ago, I hope you can lay the fears of many hear and abroad to rest.

Awaiting your correspondence,

Daylen Amell, Warden Commander of Ferelden.

Wait, isn't Ieldra the Hero of Ferelden? Also, how would you know about the Harvester?

But anyway.

I'm glad to see that you, cousin, have avoided our family's spate of ill fortune.

The matter of magical security is a difficult one, and not one I hold all the answers to. The rest of my people are sorely torn on the subject of what to do after the war, but having lived outside the Circle all my life... I believe that it would behoove all mages to have a place where they can be trained as well as I and my sister, for those not lucky enough to have a mage parent. Such a place, too, would be a useful shelter from demonic presences. I freely admit that the Circle has filled some of those functions... but as it stood until recently, it was no safe haven, not with everything the templars were doing, and have done over the years. We must avoid complete anarchy, but the choice is not simply between complete anarchy and templar bootheels.

As for your neutrality, we hardly have the power to force you into anything. I will not contest your decision, but I will ask: what would the fate of the Grey Wardens be, if the templars were to win, expand their power and crack down on all that they might see as threats?

Regards,
Jana Hawke

Modifié par Xilizhra, 28 octobre 2013 - 06:58 .

[lil yonce]

dragonflight288 wrote...
Daylen Amell, Warden Commander of Ferelden.

"Player 4 has entered the game." 

[dragonflight288]

Youth4Ever wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...
Daylen Amell, Warden Commander of Ferelden.

"Player 4 has entered the game." 

He's been in the game since pg 25.