131 réponses à ce sujet

[Maclimes]

Being male myself, I tend to play males. But I I would guess about 1/3 of my playthroughs have been with a female Warden/Hawke. And I never make any attempt to keep gender consistent through imports.

[R0vena]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

TheDarkRats wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

I play as a male, because playing as a female just feels like crap. When you're a female character, nobody ever treats you like a woman in any sense of the word. You never get to be feminine. Just a lumbering ox who happens to have boobs. I despise everyone treating a female character like she's one of the men, or she's ugly.

I don't get that impression at all.

A hooker at the Blooming Rose tells Female Hawke that "she's no prize".

Enough said.

It was right after Hawke insulted the girl's looks. It would be rather strange if she complimented hers as an answer. Quite logical response from such a girl, regardless of Lady Hawke's real appearance.

[R0vena]

I personally mix male and female characters. My canon Warden, Hawke and Shepard are female, but my canon Hero of Neverwinter and Baalspawn are males, for example. And I replay the games with other gender at least once, usually.

[Faerloch]

 It's almost always male, but the exception is certainly Dragon Age. I played through the ME trilogy making choices based upon my own values, and even used my first name and facial likeness for Shepard. For Dragon Age, my canon Warden--Faerloch--is nothing like me and Chera Hawke is totally vicious. She was my third playthrough of DA2, so I knew the story well enough to think that a female bloodmage who sides with the Templars to destroy all "magical" competition was something I'd like to see happen.

For DA:I, I will play both and after a few playthroughs decide which mistakes, relationships, and choices to keep as I prepare for my ultimately pathetic pre-determined run of the next character's story.

[mopotter]

I mostly play female because I am female and I like being a woman who is all the things BioWare or Bethesda (at least the Fall Out and Elder Scrolls games) lets me be.

But I usually have a few male characters also. Especially in BioWare games because i like to see the dialogue differences.

[Plaintiff]

I always play a dude, because I am a dude, and I like dudes, and I want to see dudes kissing other dudes.

[mopotter]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

TheDarkRats wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

I play as a male, because playing as a female just feels like crap. When you're a female character, nobody ever treats you like a woman in any sense of the word. You never get to be feminine. Just a lumbering ox who happens to have boobs. I despise everyone treating a female character like she's one of the men, or she's ugly.

I don't get that impression at all.

A hooker at the Blooming Rose tells Female Hawke that "she's no prize".

Enough said.

I don't get that impression either.  A Hooker tells Hawke she's no prize,  - in my games the hooker is jealous.    

I like the female characters in BioWare and FA/Elder Scroll because they are not drop dead gorgeous (without mods anyway) and I love the idea of a normal woman being a strong capable occasionally witty character.

[Plaintiff]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

TheDarkRats wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

I play as a male, because playing as a female just feels like crap. When you're a female character, nobody ever treats you like a woman in any sense of the word. You never get to be feminine. Just a lumbering ox who happens to have boobs. I despise everyone treating a female character like she's one of the men, or she's ugly.

I don't get that impression at all.

A hooker at the Blooming Rose tells Female Hawke that "she's no prize".

Enough said.

"Enough said?" That's one example, you need more than that to back up an assertion that everyone is "treating a female character like she's one of the men, or she's ugly".

And also, that example you just used? Male Hawke gets the exact same insult in that situation.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 24 juin 2013 - 07:26 .

[mopotter]

Chiramu wrote...

I always play my gender, ever since playing games on SNES to today, I prefer to play girls. I'm still a little girl at heart it seems .

One reason I play female more than male, is all those years of having to play a guy.   Castlevania, Mario, Zelda, Crono, most of the games I enjoyed had male characters as the "star".  Some had female partners/friends but I think Baldur's Gate was the first to actually let me pick out who my "star" would be.   

I don't want to go back to the no choice days.  I really like having the option to play both, even if 90% of my characters are going to be female.   I'm not good enough to play Laura Croft and I loved the 1st Buffy game but wasn't good at that either.   Then there was FF X2 the fashion game.  Actually it was fun, but it's on my guilty fun list.  

[Plaintiff]

mopotter wrote...
Then there was FF X2 the fashion game.  Actually it was fun, but it's on my guilty fun list.  

Hey, don't diss FF X-2.

I wish I could change outfits like that.

"Switch to... Comfy Pajama class!"

[CronoDragoon]

I always play a guy first, but I eventually play a female, and after letting the experiences sit for awhile I choose one as my "canon" for that game.

[mopotter]

Plaintiff wrote...

mopotter wrote...
Then there was FF X2 the fashion game.  Actually it was fun, but it's on my guilty fun list.  

Hey, don't diss FF X-2.

I wish I could change outfits like that.

"Switch to... Comfy Pajama class!"

:whistle:Not exactly a diss, just a small one maybe, because it was soooo "girly" .  Though,  I could use that power also a shape switch, height switch, ummm, the list goes on, better  stop.

[Sylvius the Mad]

mopotter wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

A hooker at the Blooming Rose tells Female Hawke that "she's no prize".

Enough said.

I don't get that impression either.  A Hooker tells Hawke she's no prize,  - in my games the hooker is jealous.

This disagreement is compelling evidence that tone and delivery of voiced lines does not convey meaning.

Just saying.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 24 juin 2013 - 11:04 .

[xAmilli0n]

I tend to default to female, but I do play male character often enough. I preferred male Hawke in DA2 for most things.

[ShallowlLife9871]

I mostly play females.... because i am a female

but I do mix it up. at the moment I'm doing a PT of a Male Hawke after playing as a female warden.so my PC in DAI will be female.

my male Douche-bag Shepard was fun though....

[LadyMalstroem]

I usually mix it up, when I do several playthroughs of a game I like to alternate between the genders. But I do often play as a woman first.

[Deviija]

I don't have a particular go-to gender, per se. It depends on the options available in the game. If I know there is m/m romance, then I will be more inclined to try a dude playthrough first. But in general, I always create a lady PC first (and consider her my 'main canon' run), regardless of whether I finish that playthrough first or second.

[In Exile]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
This disagreement is compelling evidence that tone and delivery of voiced lines does not convey meaning.

Just saying.

Disagreement over whether logic is a self-justified system of reasoning is evidence that logic isn't a self-justifying system of reasoning. 

See? The form of argument doesn't work. 

[Plaintiff]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

mopotter wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

A hooker at the Blooming Rose tells Female Hawke that "she's no prize".

Enough said.

I don't get that impression either.  A Hooker tells Hawke she's no prize,  - in my games the hooker is jealous.

This disagreement is compelling evidence that tone and delivery of voiced lines does not convey meaning.

Just saying.

There's no confusion about meaning. The prostitute is clearly trying to insult a Hawke of either gender.

Where ButterflyEffect and mopotter differ is how they interpret the prostitute's motivation for making that comment, which is a different thing entirely.

[Swoopdogg]

 My main warden was male because I wanted to romance Morrigan. My main Hawke was female because I coudn't stand male Hawke's voice. My inquisitor will probably be male, but who knows.

[Fredward]

Plaintiff wrote...
"Enough said?" That's one example, you need more than that to back up an assertion that everyone is "treating a female character like she's one of the men, or she's ugly".

And also, that example you just used? Male Hawke gets the exact same insult in that situation.

Not mentioning the fact that IIRC you have to insult her first. As far as I know a response in that case doesn't have to actually be true, the aim is to get back at the person not to tell them "well I'd really like to tell you you're hideous but actually your beauty eclipses that of the sun." And beauty is subjective yada yada.

Modifié par Foopydoopydoo, 25 juin 2013 - 06:37 .

[sylvanaerie]

I'm female, and identify more for females. My 'canon' warden is a female Surana, my 'canon' Hawke is female. I also couldn't make very good looking elf or dwarven males in Origins' CC so I never played those. I rocked the Male Cousland though, so I have played through as him. There is little difference in the dialogues of different genders, the only change mostly seems to be 'who you get to romance' (in Origins anyway). And the male Cousland can marry Anora and be king (or prince consort) in a political marriage while the female has the option of marrying the man she loves (Alistair) or entering into a political marriage as well if she didn't romance him.

I've played an equal amount of male and female Hawkes. One advantage to being only human (for me) is that I can make good looking male and female humans in the CC.

Bioware's story is so well done, the differences are minor, and the genders are indistinguishable from each other.

My 'canon' Inquisitor will probably be female too, but it all depends on which one I connect with the closest.

[Sylvius the Mad]

In Exile wrote...

Disagreement over whether logic is a self-justified system of reasoning is evidence that logic isn't a self-justifying system of reasoning. 

See? The form of argument doesn't work. 

But it does.  Your initial statement is entirely correct.

I would argue that mine works even better, since something that conveys meaning effectively should quell disagreement about what that meaning is.  That the disagreement exists is evidence that the meaning was not conveyed effectively.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Plaintiff wrote...

There's no confusion about meaning. The prostitute is clearly trying to insult a Hawke of either gender.

Where ButterflyEffect and mopotter differ is how they interpret the prostitute's motivation for making that comment, which is a different thing entirely.

Point taken.

But then this would serve as evidence that the intent of the speaker is not consistently knowable.