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[in it for the lolz]

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[/quote]It just doesn't have blueboxes everywhere.A bluebox is everything an AI is.[/quote]

So if someone had worked out that the Citadel was infact the Reaper Overlord, and they blew up the Citadel. How would Starkid save itself? 

Modifié par in it for the lolz, 22 juin 2013 - 10:34 .

[mass perfection]

[quote]in it for the lolz wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[/quote]It just doesn't have blueboxes everywhere.A bluebox is everything an AI is.
[/quote]
So if someone had worked out that the Citadel was infact the Reaper Overlord, and they blew up the Citadel. How would Starkid save itself? [/quote]I'm not even sure if they'd be capable of that.

[Yestare7]

wait for it... wait for it...

[mass perfection]

Yestare7 wrote...



wait for it... wait for it...

Are you here for the sh*ts and giggles?

[in it for the lolz]

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]in it for the lolz wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[/quote]It just doesn't have blueboxes everywhere.A bluebox is everything an AI is.
[/quote]
So if someone had worked out that the Citadel was infact the Reaper Overlord, and they blew up the Citadel. How would Starkid save itself? [/quote]I'm not even sure if they'd be capable of that.
[/quote]
Let's just say that somehow they did. How would Starkid save itself?

[Yestare7]

 

There!

Enough waffle in this thread!!

[mass perfection]

[quote]in it for the lolz wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]in it for the lolz wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[/quote]It just doesn't have blueboxes everywhere.A bluebox is everything an AI is.
[/quote]
So if someone had worked out that the Citadel was infact the Reaper Overlord, and they blew up the Citadel. How would Starkid save itself? [/quote]I'm not even sure if they'd be capable of that.
[/quote]
Let's just say that somehow they did. How would Starkid save itself?[/quote]It's possible there might be some sort of escape pod or something.There's no reason to believe he survives in Synthesis.

[mass perfection]

Yestare7 wrote...

 

There!

Enough waffle in this thread!!

Do you have anything useful to say?

[Kataphrut94]

There's nothing wrong with it. Everybody gets to live, that's always a good thing.

[in it for the lolz]

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]in it for the lolz wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]in it for the lolz wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[/quote]It just doesn't have blueboxes everywhere.A bluebox is everything an AI is.
[/quote]
So if someone had worked out that the Citadel was infact the Reaper Overlord, and they blew up the Citadel. How would Starkid save itself? [/quote]I'm not even sure if they'd be capable of that.
[/quote]
Let's just say that somehow they did. How would Starkid save itself?[/quote]It's possible there might be some sort of escape pod or something.There's no reason to believe he survives in Synthesis.
[/quote]
And why not? Why would a AI kill itself just because some stupid human trusted what it said?

[mass perfection]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

There's nothing wrong with it. Everybody gets to live, that's always a good thing.

Then why do so many people hate it?

[mass perfection]

[quote]in it for the lolz wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]in it for the lolz wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]in it for the lolz wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[/quote]It just doesn't have blueboxes everywhere.A bluebox is everything an AI is.
[/quote]
So if someone had worked out that the Citadel was infact the Reaper Overlord, and they blew up the Citadel. How would Starkid save itself? [/quote]I'm not even sure if they'd be capable of that.
[/quote]
Let's just say that somehow they did. How would Starkid save itself?[/quote]It's possible there might be some sort of escape pod or something.There's no reason to believe he survives in Synthesis.
[/quote]
And why not? Why would a AI kill itself just because some stupid human trusted what it said?[/quote]He has no further reason to exist.

[in it for the lolz]

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]in it for the lolz wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]in it for the lolz wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]in it for the lolz wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[/quote]It just doesn't have blueboxes everywhere.A bluebox is everything an AI is.
[/quote]
So if someone had worked out that the Citadel was infact the Reaper Overlord, and they blew up the Citadel. How would Starkid save itself? [/quote]I'm not even sure if they'd be capable of that.
[/quote]
Let's just say that somehow they did. How would Starkid save itself?[/quote]It's possible there might be some sort of escape pod or something.There's no reason to believe he survives in Synthesis.
[/quote]
And why not? Why would a AI kill itself just because some stupid human trusted what it said?[/quote]He has no further reason to exist.
[/quote]
And thats it? So some dumb human did what it wanted so it pulls the plug on itself. LOLZ! the MEU is more stupid then I give it credit for!
On that note, I think I'll put this right here:

[mass perfection]

[quote]in it for the lolz wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]in it for the lolz wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]in it for the lolz wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[quote]in it for the lolz wrote...

[quote]mass perfection wrote...

[/quote]It just doesn't have blueboxes everywhere.A bluebox is everything an AI is.
[/quote]
So if someone had worked out that the Citadel was infact the Reaper Overlord, and they blew up the Citadel. How would Starkid save itself? [/quote]I'm not even sure if they'd be capable of that.
[/quote]
Let's just say that somehow they did. How would Starkid save itself?[/quote]It's possible there might be some sort of escape pod or something.There's no reason to believe he survives in Synthesis.
[/quote]
And why not? Why would a AI kill itself just because some stupid human trusted what it said?[/quote]He has no further reason to exist.
[/quote]
And thats it? So some dumb human did what it wanted so it pulls the plug on itself. LOLZ! the MEU is more stupid then I give it credit for!
On that note, I think I'll put this right here:
[/quote]The Catalyst accomplished what it was created to do.It either dies or observes everything.

[Redbelle]

mass perfection wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

 Synthesis seems to be hated here.Why is that?

The Galaxy, The Alliance, and Hackett in particular, push for destroying the Reapers.

TIM wants to control them. (Shame about the indoctrination)

And <insert name here> foreshadows the notion that you can take organic cells and inert metal, and somehow monkey them all up to make a...... new...... DNA.

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I mean why?

How is a new DNA supposed to cure the galactic ill's when the problem is not that synth's and orgs fight each other?

Before synth's and orgs, orgs fought orgs, and in ME2 we learnt that synth's were in conflict with synth's.

The problem is not DNA, it is how the free races regard each other. Making everyone the same through DNA manipulation, (while suspect science at best), will not stop orgs and synth's from fighting each other and one another.

The only way non conflict could arise is if the Synthesis beam affected the minds of all it touched. Therefore, Synthesis violates the rights of people to choose what to allow to affect their body, and selectively brainwashes those affected to not fight each other.

A lot of that is wrong.The new DNA isn't the reason.It makes organics on par with synthetics so when they go to war,no one is wiped out.t also makes the creation of synthetics obsolete since we as advanced as they can be.Synthetics now hw personalities and emotions and moral values.

How is new DNA supposed to ensure that no one is wiped out? And in what way does being on par ensure this?

So far, all I can glean from your response is that, if all the former synthetics killed all the former organics, it would not result in the total loss of organic life as the synth's are now sorta organic too. And in that way, life would be preserved. That's splitting hairs.

Just because Synthetics are more organic does not mean that the potential for conflict is finished with. Organics have found reasons to fight other organics throughout history for a vareity of reasons. Therefore, by the same logic, synthesised beings will fight synthesised being for similar reasons.

Modifié par Redbelle, 22 juin 2013 - 10:54 .

[Ticonderoga117]

You become a husk. A husk in a galaxy where the Reapers are still around. Also, you didn't get a choice in the matter.

[ruggly]

[Nole]

Shepard dies and doesn't live happily ever.

[mass perfection]

Redbelle wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

 Synthesis seems to be hated here.Why is that?

The Galaxy, The Alliance, and Hackett in particular, push for destroying the Reapers.

TIM wants to control them. (Shame about the indoctrination)

And <insert name here> foreshadows the notion that you can take organic cells and inert metal, and somehow monkey them all up to make a...... new...... DNA.

....

....

....

I mean why?

How is a new DNA supposed to cure the galactic ill's when the problem is not that synth's and orgs fight each other?

Before synth's and orgs, orgs fought orgs, and in ME2 we learnt that synth's were in conflict with synth's.

The problem is not DNA, it is how the free races regard each other. Making everyone the same through DNA manipulation, (while suspect science at best), will not stop orgs and synth's from fighting each other and one another.

The only way non conflict could arise is if the Synthesis beam affected the minds of all it touched. Therefore, Synthesis violates the rights of people to choose what to allow to affect their body, and selectively brainwashes those affected to not fight each other.

A lot of that is wrong.The new DNA isn't the reason.It makes organics on par with synthetics so when they go to war,no one is wiped out.t also makes the creation of synthetics obsolete since we as advanced as they can be.Synthetics now hw personalities and emotions and moral values.

How is new DNA supposed to ensure that no one is wiped out? And in what way does being on par ensure this?

So far, all I can glean from your response is that, if all the former synthetics killed all the former organics, it would not result in the total loss of organic life as the synth's are now sorta organic too. And in that way, life would be preserved. That's splitting hairs.

Just because Synthetics are more organic does not mean that the potential for conflict is finished with. Organics have found reasons to fight other organics throughout history for a vareity of reasons. Therefore, by the same logic, synthesised beings will fight synthesised being for similar reasons.

Forget new DNA.That was probably a poor choice of words on the Catalyst's part.Synthesised beings possibly evolved beyond the concept of war.Even if there were wars,we have big brother Reapers.

[mass perfection]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

You become a husk. A husk in a galaxy where the Reapers are still around. Also, you didn't get a choice in the matter.

How does Synthesis turn everyone into husks?What's so bad about the Reapers being around?What do you mean "forced?"Since when was evolution voluntary?

[mass perfection]

WittingEight65 wrote...

Shepard dies and doesn't live happily ever.

Okay.

[jacob taylor416]

Mainly you're forcing it on people, but sometimes that's okay, my problem is we have no clue what it actually does, all we know is that it can change a person's genetic code and make's them part synthetic. Also you're giving said power to a being that five seconds ago was try the exact same thing by making people husks. There are some other reasons out there but this is my main one, that it's too much of a leap of faith for me.
It could lead us to everlasting peace or slightly a better looking husk, just to many unknown variables. 

Modifié par jacob taylor416, 22 juin 2013 - 11:24 .

[Sir DeLoria]

I don't like the color green.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

Since Shepard is given no other choice but to use The Catalyst to solve a problem caused by The Catalyst I dont think there's really an official "good" ending. But similar to Control,  Synthesis is just accepting The Catalyst's "vision" for a manipulated future, and Shepard basically becomes Saren. Everyone in the universe is turned into a much more refined husk whether they like it or not. Though if you say you cant find "anything useful" in the trillions of other threads or articles about Synthesis (probably enough to write a book on), I guess the Catalyst's vision is perfect for you. 

[LtBashkar]

The only choice that doesn't force anything on anyone is Control, which is Shepard's choice and only influences Shepard. Yet, it spawns a race of super machine gods controlled by an entity that is largely Shepard but not entirely. That may or may not be acceptable for some.

Synthesis provides a unified world in which communication and sharing is foremost. It separates walls between synthetic and organic. It allows access to untold thousands of species that the Reapers killed. But you are making the choice to do that on behalf of everyone.

Destroy merely obliterates the Reapers, but it also destroys the Geth as we know it as well as EDI and merely leaves the universe worse for wear, with nothing really to show for it. Some may see the Geth's death as a necessary sacrifice. It is obvious they can't merely be repaired, they are gone.

My Shepards all pick one of the options for a different reason, even including refusal. I don't see anything wrong with it and there is no way I can see every single one of my Shepards always picking one option. Headcanon reasons for why synthesis is bad (brainwashing, secret indoctrination, it's a trick, the Reapers win, etc.) are just that--headcanon, not supported by the end of the game.