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[Plaintiff]

Silfren wrote...

Filament wrote...

The reason for lack of DA2 toolset, that I recall, was basically that it wasn't worth the trouble repackaging it for public consumption, not that they didn't have the proper licensing, or that it would negatively impact DLC sales. They've maintained that they believe an active modding community would be a good thing for DLC sales.

For DA3 is where they have licensing issues on account of using third party tools integrally in their development of the game.

These are all things they've said (to my knowledge), of course it's anyone's prerogative that they're big bags of lies but whatever. DA2 still had quite a few good mods like the companion armor mod; the toolset is less necessary for modding than some seem to think.

I do remember a Dev explicitly stating that licensing issues was the reason why we didn't get a toolset for DA2.  I'm trying to find it with Google now, but that is precisely what was said.  I'd be willing to concede it was the latest justification for the lack of one, but I never saw any statements referring to any other reason beyond the third party issue.

Well they have also said that toolkits generally require a fair amount of effort to produce, because professional developer tools have to be repackaged into something useable for your average modder. So with several issues combined, it probably outweighed any perceived benefit.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 23 juin 2013 - 04:40 .

[Revenant147]

I certainly hope so. Being forced to play as a stick thin Human with pointy ears, or a hairy drunken midget isn't my idea of fun.

[Nefla]

All signs point to yes, we will always be forced to play as the most boring race:humans. Then one day we will be forced to play one gender: male, (because just as "most people" played as humans, "most people"also play male and warrior) and before you know it we can't customize our character at all and we suddenly have a fixed protagonist.

[Nightdragon8]

KallianaTabris wrote...

ANGRYWOLF1 wrote...

sadly yes.

That is not confirmed. It's easier for them to offer only one race option for the PC, but in future games they may allow for more options.

its better to keep your expectations low, otherwise your just in for disapointment

[TheButterflyEffect]

Of course not, because they're too cheap and lazy and lacking in creativity.

I want to be a womanizing dwarf again, goddamnit! I'm sick of these ugly, nasty, boring humans! HUMANS. SUCK.

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 23 juin 2013 - 05:29 .

[Ash Wind]

Probably, as long as there is such a reliance on Cinematics in BW games, which the devs never hesitate to mention cost $$$$$ to produce.

[Plaintiff]

Nefla wrote...

All signs point to yes, we will always be forced to play as the most boring race:humans. Then one day we will be forced to play one gender: male, (because just as "most people" played as humans, "most people"also play male and warrior) and before you know it we can't customize our character at all and we suddenly have a fixed protagonist.

Slippery slope fallacy. Bioware's reasoning behind gender selection has nothing to do with the reasoning to include or exclude race selection.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 23 juin 2013 - 05:45 .

[Sontemuka]

1. Elves
2. Humans
3. Dwarves

I always prefer the Elves first, but they will do what they want to do (or what they're able to do), and regrettably we can't "take our torches" and protest. Sad truth :_( LOL.

[Nightdragon8]

I think they will if they ever do a Warden Protag because, in reality, Elves and Dwarves are pretty much second class citizens thoughout the kingdoms. Only Dwarves seem to be alittle higher than Elves, only because I think they suspect them all to belong to the carta.

[TheButterflyEffect]

No, because dwarves aren't so common on the Surface, so they're neither superior or inferior really.

[Ponendus]

I am not sure where I can source this from but I'm sure a dev said they intend to return to multiple races one day, when the story suits it. The coming story is about a human inquisitor, so that's why we are that race. At least that's how I feel better about it (I try to play elves usually).

[Taint Master]

WittingEight65 wrote...

You guys asked for a voiced protagonist.

Voiced protagonist = One race. And the majority of the gamers will always prefer to play as a Human than any other race. So, human it is.

Deal with it.

This guy hit the nail ont he head.  Bioware isn't re-recording all the PC's dialogue 3x for the handful of people that want to be a Dwarf or whatever.

Also, since Thedas is a pretty racist place, they'd have to re-script various interactions based on race choice which also takes more time and resources. 

It's just easier this way.

[Sabariel]

I hope not. Shems suck.

[PinkShoes]

Its sad because its so boring to play a human all the time. Like think about it usually when playing d&d you wanna play other races because its fun to.

[Plaintiff]

PinkShoes wrote...

Its sad because its so boring to play a human all the time. Like think about it usually when playing d&d you wanna play other races because its fun to.

I find this argument fairly absurd. If playing other races is "more fun", then how come so few games have black, Asian, or Middle Eastern protagonists? Would the white majority not flock to the novelty of playing another race?

Why are elves and dwarves special? What function do they actually perform that could not be fulfilled by humans?

Modifié par Plaintiff, 23 juin 2013 - 08:51 .

[thebigbad1013]

Ponendus wrote...

I am not sure where I can source this from but I'm sure a dev said they intend to return to multiple races one day, when the story suits it. The coming story is about a human inquisitor, so that's why we are that race. At least that's how I feel better about it (I try to play elves usually).

I THINK it was Mike Laidlaw who said that it was entirely possible that there might be a non-human protagonist in a future game.

[wiccame]

WittingEight65 wrote...

You guys asked for a voiced protagonist.

Voiced protagonist = One race. And the majority of the gamers will always prefer to play as a Human than any other race. So, human it is.

Deal with it.

swtor had many races and all were voiced (sure voice was determined by class, but it could still work), I am sure they could do something like that for DA.

[Sharn01]

It was Mike Laidlaw, and he never said anything about a protagonist in a future game, just that the possibility exists that non human race options my be given to players in the future, this could also be for multiplayer, or it could be not at all.

The possibility exists that I could win the lottery, then get hit by a car and killed on my way to claim my winning ticket as well, that doesn't mean either of those things are going to happen.

People really need to stop blaming voice acting for this, they have stated several times that its the costs of additional cinematics that is the main reason why other race options where taken out, its the same reason why you will not be able to change your height and weight for the pc as well.

[Boycott Bioware]

If we can only play as human only in future DA, then DA universe is bland

There could be Dalish vs Human war, Dwarves vs Human war, Dwarves vs Dalish war, Dwarves vs Dalish vs Human war, Dalish/Dwarves vs Qunari war, Qunari vs Dwarves war, Qunari vs everyone war.....the hero is always human....

[Fedorcyclops]

Silent protagonist > voiced protagonist that force us to play the characters Bioware wants instead of creating and immersing ourselves into it.

[Thomas Andresen]

The cynicism in this thread is staggering. The only reasoning anyone would have for believing we'll be "stuck" with playing human is that it was the only choice in the previous game, and will be the only choice in the next game. The conclusion that it will always be so is depressing, not because it would be a bad thing, but because it's sickeningly cynical.

Plaintiff wrote...

Slippery slope

I hate that ...term. I find it funny to draw comparisons about who uses it here on the forum and who uses it in real world politics. (Note: I imagine you and me would agree on that, Plaintiff)

Plaintiff wrote...

I find this argument fairly absurd. If playing other races is "more fun", then how come so few games have black, Asian, or Middle Eastern protagonists? Would the white majority not flock to the novelty of playing another race?

Why are elves and dwarves special? What function do they actually perform that could not be fulfilled by humans?

It does fall back to the "want more content" thing.

[Ponendus]

Plaintiff wrote...

PinkShoes wrote...

Its sad because its so boring to play a human all the time. Like think about it usually when playing d&d you wanna play other races because its fun to.

I find this argument fairly absurd. If playing other races is "more fun", then how come so few games have black, Asian, or Middle Eastern protagonists? Would the white majority not flock to the novelty of playing another race?

Why are elves and dwarves special? What function do they actually perform that could not be fulfilled by humans?

I think its about roleplaying, not about 'function'. I don't know many people expect to have an exclusively elven or dwarven protagonist, that would be silly because the statistics tell us the majority of the playerbase play a human even when they have the option. That doesn't make the option pointless though.

Also quite a few games (particularly MMO's) allow you to customise your skin colour and features to create a character that appears of black, assian or middle easter descent as you suggest. How popular this is, I'm not sure.

I find it fun to play other races in a fantasy setting, mainly because there is often a backstory quite far removed from what we experience as humans in the real world. However, I acknowledge not everybody roleplays that way, or at all really!

[Boycott Bioware]

DA will become one dimensional game, it is not about the world, all other races will become bad guys in DA games

Mage vs Templar theme can be make excuse to use human protagonist, but what else is there in DA if only human can be the protagonist? There cannot be "X race" vs human war background story, the "X race" will become the bad guy, the human protagonist must defend human

DA:O have establish how Dalish Elves resent human, they want to reestablish their culture, religion and land. Sadly this potential back story cannot be made in future DA games because the protagonist must be human because of voice acting, the Dalish will become the bad guy and must be eliminated

So it will be forever Magic vs Non-Magic, human vs demon, human faction vs human faction background story in DA games where human protagonist can fit in

If DA is about the world then i want to see a story in Kal Sharok, play as a Dwarf, or story about Dalish clan who search for Arlathan, play as Elf....we will not see this because protagonist must be human

[Mykel54]

My guess is that the first condition before we see any non-human protagonist is a total revamp of the DA2 elves and dwarves, which looked terrible compared to humans. If bioware manages to make elves look good, and somehow make dwarves interesting for people who normally don´t like them, then maybe we will see sometime an elf/dwarf protagonist. The game needs a protagonist that is popular and good looking, that most people would not mind playing as. I think the elves have a much higher chance of being playable again, given that they are humans with pointy ears, while the dwarves are pretty much doomed to npcs.

Modifié par Mykel54, 23 juin 2013 - 09:51 .

[Boycott Bioware]

Mykel54 wrote...
....If bioware manages to make elves look good, and somehow make dwarves interesting for people who normally don´t like them, then maybe we will see sometime an elf/dwarf protagonist. The game needs a protagonist that is popular and good looking, that most people would not mind playing as....

I don't agree...

It is not about what player like or not like to play, look at older games such as D&D, players do play as stereotypical female archer Elf and stereotypically male dwarf using war-hammer, you know how D&D graphic look like? We can't even customize the look, all characters are preset

Look at Skyrim no matter how ugly and hideous the Orc is many players playing as Orc, the same with many players play as lizardmen and catmen, Bethesda didn't throw away these hideous looking abomination races because these races have their own fans

What happen to DA and Bioware is just "policy changing" by "someone"

Modifié par Qistina, 23 juin 2013 - 10:16 .