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[MysticSpace]

I never did before but after ME3 I decided I'd try it and I found it disappointing.   After fighting through blue suns and mechs, Garrus snipes Sidonis while he's unarmed and sitting in the middle of crowded mall and then he, shepard, and the third party member who doesn't say anything at all (which is strange if you had Tali or Samara) rendevous back at the shuttle and never speak of what happened again.  It felt weird to be an accessory to murder one.  

[xlegionx]

I don't see what impact the ending would have on this decision

[KaiserShep]

ME3's ending doesn't affect the decisions I make for any of my Shepards.

[Arcian]

I don't understand the question this thread is trying to raise.

[KiwiQuiche]

Traitorous coward deserves a traitorous coward's death.


As Street said, Samara would probably kill Sidonis herself since he betrayed his allies and got most of them killed.

[RedCaesar97]

Is Sidonis even mentioned in ME3? I rarely spare Sidonis anyway.

[Arcian]

StreetMagic wrote...

I don't know why Samara would mention anything special. She'll kill innocents without hesitation - and Sidonis isn't an innocent. She might believe in justice, but she's one of the more hardcore Renegade squad members.

Samara isn't Renegade. Renegades are defined by their willingness to break laws and people's kneecaps to get what they want. Samara doesn't do that. If anything, she is a hardcore Paragon.

[Arcian]

Nope, you're wrong. They swear oaths to uphold asari laws no matter what.

"Justicars swear oaths called the Oaths of Subsumation. These pledge protection of the innocent, the punishment of the guilty, and defence of common law and the norms of asari society. This means justicars will never overthrow an existing government, and will instead preserve the existing laws of the asari without the risk of staging a coup should the government be judged unjust."

And your personal definitions of Paragons/Renegades are completely irrelevant. BioWare themselves have described Paragons as "By-the-book" and Renegades as "Screw the rules, I can just shoot you and be done with it". The games support it, since most renegade decisions blow up in your face because they're rash and irrational decisions. That fits Garrus more than it does Samara. In fact, it does not fit her at all. She's simply not a Renegade character.

[hpjay]

Saving Sidonis never crosses my mind.  Sidonis wiped out Garrus's  squad.  This is how Garrus wants to deal with it.  It's his call.  I spent allot of time in ME1 guiding Garrus, but by the time ME2 rolls around he's his own man and can make this call on his own.  I trust him.

There's a similar situation with Liara and her father.  Its possible to "impose" your will and convince Liara to talk with her father.  But, again, by that point in the story I consider her her own person and support whatever call she makes wtr to her father. 

I hate being nursemaid Shepard in ME2 or ME3 with what are, by now, well established characters.  At this point I should be able to trust their judgement.

[Erez Kristal]

Sidonis Who?
That how i react everytime after garrus kill him. If found that scene to be riduclous though.
Garrus having to use a sniper rifle from 30m from the obvious sniping point with shepard going close to the deceased.
I bet cerberus really needed to pay a hefty bride in order to get shepard out from that one.

[hpjay]

Yeah, but ME is often filled with the riduclous. Remember Priority: Mars. Cerberus basically had you blocked from the research site by turning off the trams. But then they sent one to attack you, but why? Because you were already effectively nutralized. They did have the foresite to bomb that tram and stop it. But true to form they sent anohter tram to fetch you. That mission was full of derp by Cerberus. You just have to roll with it sometimes.

Modifié par hpjay, 23 juin 2013 - 01:12 .

[hpjay]

duplicate post, sorry

Modifié par hpjay, 23 juin 2013 - 01:12 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Samara isn't Renegade. Renegades are defined by their willingness to break laws and people's kneecaps to get what they want. Samara doesn't do that. If anything, she is a hardcore Paragon

She is introduced literally doing that: torturing a merc and murdering police officers (there's probably a law against that...) - maybe your apathy is an American thing, but over here killing police officers is a big deal.

"Justicars swear oaths called the Oaths of Subsumation. These pledge protection of the innocent, the punishment of the guilty, and defence of common law and the norms of asari society. This means justicars will never overthrow an existing government, and will instead preserve the existing laws of the asari without the risk of staging a coup should the government be judged unjust."

Which doesn't say anything about Samara, who is established to be an utter hypocrite in Me3 (following her code when convenient for her but taking the coward's way out when she doesn't like it - if she actually believed in it rather than using it as a convenient excuse to realise her murder fantasies then she would have killed her daughter)

[Samtheman63]

samara doesn't kill any police officers, she says she will have to if they keep her in custody though, as she is obliged to under the justicar code.

[Erez Kristal]

You shouldnt be taking lessons from samara, she is an ex criminal looking for redemption.
She was recruiting for her incredible combat skills not her good and sound advices, you have miranda and mordin for good advices on me 2.

Edi on me3.

[Dextro Milk]

erezike wrote...

Edi on me3.

I would sooner ask Siri for help in a combat situation.

[Zazzerka]

Edi on me3.

good advices

Oh lawd. I'm pretty sure that wasn't her prime function.

Modifié par Zazzerka, 23 juin 2013 - 03:21 .

[Mordanticus]

The ending was terrible.. Done.. Fix it.. That said, I don't think knowing it would have changed my choices at all, other than to not continue to play at all..

My paragon fought with the decision, but steered Garrus toward mercy..
My renegade said screw it, all traitors deserve death and told Garrus to doube tap, just to be sure..

Hold the Line.. For Life..

Modifié par Mordanticus, 23 juin 2013 - 03:28 .

[Mcfly616]

Umm what the hell does Sidonis have to do with the ending?


And I've never heard a good reason for letting that bastard live.

[Clayless]

Samtheman63 wrote...

samara doesn't kill any police officers, she says she will have to if they keep her in custody though, as she is obliged to under the justicar code.

Pretty sure she dies trying to fight her way out of police custody if you don't recruit her.

[Arcian]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Samara isn't Renegade. Renegades are defined by their willingness to break laws and people's kneecaps to get what they want. Samara doesn't do that. If anything, she is a hardcore Paragon

She is introduced literally doing that: torturing a merc and murdering police officers (there's probably a law against that...) - maybe your apathy is an American thing, but over here killing police officers is a big deal.

Look up the definition of torture. She wasn't doing it - if anything, she was doing the opposite. The Eclipse mercs you're referring to "being tortured" were:

1) Armed.
2) Fighting back.

And she was offering to let them go if they just told her the name of the ship Morinth left on. When they refused to do so, she mercy killed them instead of going the renegade route and beating the snot out of them until they gave up the name of the ship. THAT'S torture, for the record.

She wasn't murdering police offers either. That's just some BS you've made up to support whatever hateful anti-Samara agenda you're pushing. If she had been actually murdering police officers, Anaya would have never let her leave, Suicide Mission or not, and she would have f***ing mentioned it during the mission. She doesn't.

Oh, and I'm not american. But thanks for revealing your bigotry. Really helps put your ignorance into perspective.

AlexMBrennan wrote...

"Justicars swear oaths called the Oaths of Subsumation. These pledge protection of the innocent, the punishment of the guilty, and defence of common law and the norms of asari society. This means justicars will never overthrow an existing government, and will instead preserve the existing laws of the asari without the risk of staging a coup should the government be judged unjust."

Which doesn't say anything about Samara, who is established to be an utter hypocrite in Me3 (following her code when convenient for her but taking the coward's way out when she doesn't like it - if she actually believed in it rather than using it as a convenient excuse to realise her murder fantasies then she would have killed her daughter)

Come back when your so called "evidence" is more empirical than emotional outbursts of irrational hatred.