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[David7204]

They put Refuse in because players asked for it.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

David7204 wrote...

They put Refuse in because players asked for it.

I know that. It's still unprecedented within this narrative.

'Only thing comparable to it is destroying the Collector Base, a decision the lore was not friendly to (it benefits the player more to keep it, if ever so slightly, and is railroaded into being recovered anyway). So why be friendly to Refuse?

[David7204]

The narrative isn't friendly to Refuse...

[Nightwriter]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Saying "it's X's issue to deal with" doesn't seem like an attitude the loyalty missions really support. If it were, you'd be able to go, "Sure, Garrus, choose your own team and go after Sidonis. Whatevs. I'ma chill on the Normandy, drink a few beers."

But I guess if you tried to exercise that attitude as much as the game allows, then you'd let Miranda kill Niket, let Jack kill Aresh, let Zaeed sacrifice the workers to kill Vido, and lots of other stuff I usually don't do. I've got no idea at all what you'd do at the Samara/Morinth standoff, though. There's no option to back out of the apartment and go, "Well I'm gonna leave now, you handle this however you want Samara!"

That's what makes Refuse such a laughable addition to the narrative.

Choosing non-action with everything on the line is simply unprecented on major WTF-levels.

I don't know. "None of my business, do whatever the hell you want" is a bit different than "I won't let fear compromise who I am" or whatever it is.

[Flumburken]

I get the feeling that Paragon is a hated subject. :s

[N172]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

The comics are all Canon. Because they don't interfere with the narrative of the games. Just like the novels.

The comics maybe, but the novels are not canon, as they actually contradict game facts and also seem to be much more influenced by "Non-BW-people".

[Nightwriter]

Flumburken wrote...

I get the feeling that Paragon is a hated subject. :s

I honor my dwarven ancestors like any respectable person so I don't know what the f*ck you're implying.

[shodiswe]

Sidonis death or survival has no effect on the completion of Garrus loyalty quest. The important thing is that you helped Garrus process his trauma and emotions so he can move on and concentrate on the work that needs to be done.

[shodiswe]

LineHolder wrote...

Lots of insufferable Gaius Baltars in this thread.

Shepard is the law. One of the funniest things in the game is how casually Shepard offs the racist Turian politician in front of C-Sec and shrugs it off.

Not just racist, that Turian is a godfather type mobster, or gangleader.
I didn't kill him in my saved playthroughs, but the citadel is better off without him. Even if someone else will fill that void immediately.

[o Ventus]

N172 wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

The comics are all Canon. Because they don't interfere with the narrative of the games. Just like the novels.

The comics maybe, but the novels are not canon, as they actually contradict game facts and also seem to be much more influenced by "Non-BW-people".

Deception is the only outside media that isn't canon.

[N172]

Anyway, since we are talking about a ME2-ME3 relation here facts and also implications from the games will revoke anything from the books that contradicts them, if you consider the books canon or not does not matter in that case.

[Steelcan]

Sidonis's fate has no bearing at all for me

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Sidonis' fate really doesn't do anything for the game. I usually spare him though. He knows what he did and he's not proud of it, but he's willing to atone for it. I think he deserves a chance.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Nightwriter wrote...

Flumburken wrote...

I get the feeling that Paragon is a hated subject. :s

I honor my dwarven ancestors like any respectable person so I don't know what the f*ck you're implying.

Good one! 

[Flumburken]

Nightwriter wrote...

Flumburken wrote...

I get the feeling that Paragon is a hated subject. :s

I honor my dwarven ancestors like any respectable person so I don't know what the f*ck you're implying.

I mean that it seems that Paragon actions doesn't seem to click well how the general narrative goes compared to Renegade, at least to most who replies in story matters like these. People seem to prefer the latter.

I mostly enjoy playing as Paragon anyway with some executive Renegade actions, like when you burn the Krogan speaker on Grunt's Loyalty mission. He was gonna get killed anyway and fire is usually a great solution to their regenerative abilities. Sidonis is a more personal matter though since it's directly related to my Garrbro. 

[Dextro Milk]

To the people that say Shep would kill someone that betrayed his own team:

Yes, I would want to kill the guy, but I would hope someone would be there to stop me from doing it, especially if that someone was forced into betraying me, like Sidonis. If someone regrets his actions to such an extent they can't even live like a normal person, that should say something about him.

If you were being tortured and beaten to give up the location of a stronghold for who knows how long, I can bet many of you would break just as much as Sidonis...

[Flumburken]

Dextro Milk wrote...

To the people that say Shep would kill someone that betrayed his own team:

Yes, I would want to kill the guy, but I would hope someone would be there to stop me from doing it, especially if that someone was forced into betraying me, like Sidonis. If someone regrets his actions to such an extent they can't even live like a normal person, that should say something about him.

If you were being tortured and beaten to give up the location of a stronghold for who knows how long, I can bet many of you would break just as much as Sidonis...

I fully agree. Sometimes, the best kind of revenge is letting the person being inflicted with lingering suffering and guilt than a swift bullet through the head. If anything, it's more like "assisted suicide"; It's still a coward's way out.

[Anubis722]

Sidonis usually alive 50/50 of the time, depends on which Shepard i'm playing honestly and mood,also someone backstabbed my Shepard and got his LI, crew,squadmates,and almost got him kill.forced or not, your dead period. 

Modifié par AnubisEgyptainLordofDeath, 26 juin 2013 - 08:09 .

[shodiswe]

StreetMagic wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

To the people that say Shep would kill someone that betrayed his own team:

Yes, I would want to kill the guy, but I would hope someone would be there to stop me from doing it, especially if that someone was forced into betraying me, like Sidonis. If someone regrets his actions to such an extent they can't even live like a normal person, that should say something about him.

If you were being tortured and beaten to give up the location of a stronghold for who knows how long, I can bet many of you would break just as much as Sidonis...

I'm trying to think if I've been actually tortured. Not sure anything qualifies. I've been interrogated and threatened with serious charges though. I was too cocky to give in at the time. I might now, who knows.

Either way, Mass Effect is a roleplaying game. It's not about me.

I really don't think that compares to Sidonis situation, his captors wern't following laws and regulations.

[Dextro Milk]

StreetMagic wrote...

I'm trying to think if I've been actually tortured. Not sure anything qualifies. I've been interrogated and threatened with serious charges though. I was too cocky to give in at the time. I might now, who knows.

Getting tortured by a merc band like the Blue Suns? I doubt you ever came across anyone like that. No offense intended.

Either way, Mass Effect is a roleplaying game. It's not about me.

That wasn't really my point. My point was, if people are saying "Death to that scum Sidonis!", when they would have broken down themselves, don't you think that is hypocritical?

[Sparbiter]

Love the paragon vs renegade debate in this thread. My opinion? Paragons are naive, renegades are brutal. Might sound like a cop out, but you have to take it on a case by case basis. Thus, paragade for me

[Nightwriter]

Flumburken wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Flumburken wrote...

I get the feeling that Paragon is a hated subject. :s

I honor my dwarven ancestors like any respectable person so I don't know what the f*ck you're implying.

I mean that it seems that Paragon actions doesn't seem to click well how the general narrative goes compared to Renegade, at least to most who replies in story matters like these. People seem to prefer the latter.

I mostly enjoy playing as Paragon anyway with some executive Renegade actions, like when you burn the Krogan speaker on Grunt's Loyalty mission. He was gonna get killed anyway and fire is usually a great solution to their regenerative abilities. Sidonis is a more personal matter though since it's directly related to my Garrbro. 

Wat.

I thought the series mostly favored paragon.

If you mean most of the people in this thread renegaded Garrus's loyalty mission, I actually don't usually see that happening as much as it has here.