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[Seboist]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Rickets wrote...

What is so great about wiping races in games? Just curious.

Because it upsets the easily upset. I've lost count of the times I've been called an evil monster.

And it's fun. It's good to be able to play as a PC that's a metaphorical can of Raid on the Elven vermin.

[Dave of Canada]

Have to admit, the scene where you see the werewolves devouring elves as you and your army walk onto the Dalish camp was one of the better scenes in Origins.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 24 juin 2013 - 12:42 .

[n7stormrunner]

 instead of killing them all, can we recruit them to the dark side? killing is a waste of perfectly useful resouces... as cannon fodder if nothing else.

Modifié par n7stormrunner, 24 juin 2013 - 01:20 .

[Boycott Bioware]

Elves can be wiped out, but Mages cannot, because Mages are born everyday by everyone and keep born everyday

[iOnlySignIn]

You don't need to wipe out the Elves. They are doing a fine job of wiping themselves out.

Just let evolution do your job for you.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 24 juin 2013 - 02:17 .

[Peer of the Empire]

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

pretty please bioware ;-/ i just hate those self-righteous pricks.
elves lost war 4 or 5 ages ago. And they cant just quit whining and crying about it. everytime they meet human they blame him for winning war, that elves provoked. Sometimes they even kill him for it as was shown in elven origin.
Mages are even worse.. i wont point out that they cant be free because they are dangeours as hell.
but they live in luxury that 95% ppl of thedas doesnt have and they still keep crying about it.

oh man these 2 factions are so ANNOYING.

Agreed

[KiwiQuiche]

I'm all for that as long as we can wipe out Templars/Andrastians, non-mages, qunari dwarves and humans as well. Equal opportunity I saw.

[cactusberry]

Or we could wipe out non-mages and promote the equal return of magic to Thedas.

(Loldonotwant)

[ObserverStatus]

Poison93 wrote...
Some Mages Rebell? Wipe them out! Every libertarian, every aequitarian, every ten year old magically gifted child because mages obviously suck balls!
Some Templars are oppressive rapists? Wipe them out! No matter if 80% of them are just soldiers trying to protect the rest of Thedas from dangers like Abominations and Blodd Magic, because they are trying to take away ma freedom!
Some Batarians are slavers? Wipe them out! Kill their families, their children, all the common People living normal lives on their homeplanets, because they are killing and enslaving my fellow humans (who never did anything similiar throughout their entire history)!

Hey, stop that! This is BSN, you aren't allowed to use logic here. I'm going to report you!

Modifié par bobobo878, 24 juin 2013 - 02:50 .

[BouncyFrag]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Have to admit, the scene where you see the werewolves devouring elves as you and your army walk onto the Dalish camp was one of the better scenes in Origins.

Zevran wasn't too pleased about that happening, but I had some snazzy shoes to gift him that I'd been saving for a moment like this just in case. The thing is, if we wipe them out completly in DA3, what are we to do in the next DA game?

Modifié par BouncyFrag, 24 juin 2013 - 02:51 .

[Angrywolves]

Bloodthirsty bunch. I suppose some people prefer being the bad guy , evil or whatever. They should have that option I guess.

[Tarek]

frankly in the witcher humanity is portrayed in the most hideous image, thus siding with the elves/dwarves/monsters always came easy to me, and honestly humanity has like nothing to offer in that world, while elves and dwarves and even beast folk have so much culture, skill, art, magic ...etc

the fact that humans breed like vermin just won them the war by sheer numbers cause after all whats a few hundred thousand human corpses for the glory of the human kings

that's in the witcher

now in DA I actually don't hate any of the races or empires, and darkspwan are not a race cause they are just an evil mutation of existing races, but when push comes to shove I would side with the mages/elves/dwarves...any underdog group cause frankly its easy to do injustice to the weak and that I can never stand for, same would apply if humans are being oppressed

[Dave of Canada]

BouncyFrag wrote...

Zevran wasn't too pleased about that happening, but I had some snazzy shoes to gift him that I'd been saving for a moment like this just in case. The thing is, if we wipe them out completly in DA3, what are we to do in the next DA game?

Gather a mob whenever a woman gives birth, following the child until he/she develops magical properties and we annihilate them.

[daaaav]

I've always been a little uneasy with all the wipe this civilization out or murder that character senarios. Other than the act itself, what mainly irks me is that the protagonist would appear to be unbelievably competent in the departments of genocide and murder. Regardless of the characters motivations in these areas be they dastardly or of noble intent, i think that the protagonists actions should have some unexpected outcomes.

And I do not believe that it fits to give the protagonist the options to act like a complete psychopath... In my opinion, the choice to destroy the Dalish in DAO is completely unjustified whilst the choice to end the geth sits a little better in the grey area.

[The Night Haunter]

daaaav wrote...

I've always been a little uneasy with all the wipe this civilization out or murder that character senarios. Other than the act itself, what mainly irks me is that the protagonist would appear to be unbelievably competent in the departments of genocide and murder. Regardless of the characters motivations in these areas be they dastardly or of noble intent, i think that the protagonists actions should have some unexpected outcomes.

And I do not believe that it fits to give the protagonist the options to act like a complete psychopath... In my opinion, the choice to destroy the Dalish in DAO is completely unjustified whilst the choice to end the geth sits a little better in the grey area.

You're kidding right? You need an army to fight the Darkspawn and you are given a choice between elves, good archers but frail, or WEREWOLVES, monster slaying machines of death and destruction. Now which do you choose?

Of course I almost always choose elves OR end curse option cause I usually play a goody-two-shoes, but when I play an evil/sadistic/sociopath or an eminently practical character I have fun slaughtering the Elves and taking my bad-ass werewolves into battle.

Come on, they're fricken WEREWOLVES.




In ME3 wiping out the Geth seemed to be presented well, as a potentially viable choice, but siding with the Geth seemed, well silly. Maybe the Geth are a bit better at fighting than Quarians but their fleet is at best equal to Quarians. It seems very odd to be able to sacrifice your established allies for new MACHINE allies when your main enemy has not only showed an ability to control the Geth but are MACHINES themselves. It just seems so out of character, no matter what type of character you played none were really homocidal maniacs bent on destroying entire races.

[daaaav]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...



You're kidding right? You need an army to fight the Darkspawn and you are given a choice between elves, good archers but frail, or WEREWOLVES, monster slaying machines of death and destruction. Now which do you choose?

Of course I almost always choose elves OR end curse option cause I usually play a goody-two-shoes, but when I play an evil/sadistic/sociopath or an eminently practical character I have fun slaughtering the Elves and taking my bad-ass werewolves into battle.

Come on, they're fricken WEREWOLVES.




In ME3 wiping out the Geth seemed to be presented well, as a potentially viable choice, but siding with the Geth seemed, well silly. Maybe the Geth are a bit better at fighting than Quarians but their fleet is at best equal to Quarians. It seems very odd to be able to sacrifice your established allies for new MACHINE allies when your main enemy has not only showed an ability to control the Geth but are MACHINES themselves. It just seems so out of character, no matter what type of character you played none were really homocidal maniacs bent on destroying entire races.

We're not given enough information to accurately assess the relative strengths of the two sides. It would appear that if the warden hadn't come along, Zathrien alone would have been more than capable of dealing with the werewolf threat. Choose peace and you get the elves and the cured folk as well. 

[Tenshi]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

You're kidding right? You need an army to fight the Darkspawn and you are given a choice between elves, good archers but frail, or WEREWOLVES, monster slaying machines of death and destruction. Now which do you choose?

Of course I almost always choose elves OR end curse option cause I usually play a goody-two-shoes, but when I play an evil/sadistic/sociopath or an eminently practical character I have fun slaughtering the Elves and taking my bad-ass werewolves into battle.

Come on, they're fricken WEREWOLVES.




In ME3 wiping out the Geth seemed to be presented well, as a potentially viable choice, but siding with the Geth seemed, well silly. Maybe the Geth are a bit better at fighting than Quarians but their fleet is at best equal to Quarians. It seems very odd to be able to sacrifice your established allies for new MACHINE allies when your main enemy has not only showed an ability to control the Geth but are MACHINES themselves. It just seems so out of character, no matter what type of character you played none were really homocidal maniacs bent on destroying entire races.

oh dude that is so wrong... that geth flagship would have wiped quarian fleet all by itself.
and quarians were complete ****holes, it made a lot of sense to pick geth over quarians. i quess you didnt pay enough attention to the story.. sad..

Modifié par xxx2emo4Uxxx, 24 juin 2013 - 10:58 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Only if we can also wipe out dwarves and templars XD

[Lotion Soronarr]

In Exile wrote...

Aolbain wrote...

This is the only site (except Westeros.org) I visit where proponents of genocide keep showing up.
Just sayin.

Has any group in DA not been the target of gleeful genocide on this forum? I suppose nugs, but otherwise?

It's a game.

I've killed more people in games than Hilter, Slatin, Zedong, Ghengis Khan and the plauge combined. I stelilise worlds of all life for breakfest. I drop tactical nukes like it was raining candy. I put corpses of my enemies in hilarious position if I'm bored.

That does make me a bad man?

[PinkShoes]

Can we kill everyone? I hope we can.

I'd like to go on a murderous rampage

[NorwegianPirate]

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

but they live in luxury that 95% ppl of thedas doesnt have

 

Evidence?

No, seriously, this argument that treating mages like crap is perfectly fine because most other people have it a thousand times worse comes up a lot and yet I've never seen any proof of this. I've not seen that mages live in luxury - they live in a nice library, sure, and I do really appreciate nice libraries, but I hardly count that as a luxury if you live under extremely strict rules, like having your own children taken away. That's sort of the point of the whole spectacle in DA2 - which is, you either agree to the rather brutal oppression of one group, or the significantly lessened safety of everyone else.

Modifié par NorwegianPirate, 24 juin 2013 - 10:29 .

[Swoopdogg]

 I'm sure it'll be an option to massacre large groups of people. I don't think the game would be complete without that option.

Also, the "luxury" that you're refering to may be the ferelden circle tower, which was one of the better circles. Even then, life there was very structured and most mages could never go outside to feel the wind in their hair or the sun on their faces. But most circles are more like prisons, as we saw with the gallows in kirkwall. So living as a mage in a circle tower actually very likely sucks. I'd personally rather live in poverty and be able to feel the warmth of the sun or to run through the grass and swim in rivers and stupid stuff like that. 

And the elves do have a point to all their complaining. I mean, the humans pretty much screwed them over, you have to admit. Still, they have the resources to build their own cities and that sort of thing, they just choose to stick to their old ways.

Modifié par Swoopdogg, 24 juin 2013 - 10:13 .

[ZoliCs]

Let's burn the Chantry to the ground as well

[Nyaore]

Swoopdogg wrote...

 I'm sure it'll be an option to massacre large groups of people. I don't think the game would be complete without that option.

Also, the "luxury" that you're refering to may be the ferelden circle tower, which was one of the better circles. Even then, life there was very structured and most mages could never go outside to feel the wind in their hair or the sun on their faces. But most circles are more like prisons, as we saw with the gallows in kirkwall. So living as a mage in a circle tower actually very likely sucks. I'd personally rather live in poverty and be able to feel the warmth of the sun or to run through the grass and swim in rivers and stupid stuff like that. 

And the elves do have a point to all their complaining. I mean, the humans pretty much screwed them over, you have to admit. Still, they have the resources to build their own cities and that sort of thing, they just choose to stick to their old ways.

Not to mention the more opulant rooms were reserved for higher ranking members or guests. The average mage might have had a comfy bed once they passed their harrowing but there was absolutely no privacy. I still scrunch my nose up whenever I play the Mage Origin and the one NPC indicates which room is now mine after I've moved to the second level. One of the ones without a door and a bathing pan in clear sight of anyone who happened to walk past. Granted if you were born into a situation where privacy was a luxury, it probably wouldn't matter that much - probably why most of my mages lack basic ideals about modesty now that I think about it. Even so the average apprentices are packed in like sardines on the bottom floor, where the most luxurious thing they had access to were decorative - and even then it paled in comparison to any noble homes we see in the rest of the game.

Modifié par Nyaore, 24 juin 2013 - 10:45 .