By redeeming I mean, all of the brilliant fan theories that would have made everything better ending up wrong, a grand expansion never coming, things of that nature.
I'm gonna have to go with as soon as Omega came out.
At what point did it become clear to you that there was no hope for redeeming the endings?
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:40
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The EC should have been a clear indicator that any and all "theories" were going to be left as viable interpretations, and nothing more.
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:43
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When I first finished the game, saw the fallout and the subsequent PR responses. It was obvious they weren't going to fix it, and EC proved me right.
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:44
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I find it weird how the Last of us has an ending that is arguably worse than ME3's and yet people herald it as the best game of this generation.
Guess Bioware fans are just weird.
Guess Bioware fans are just weird.
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:44
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Well, I am a cynic, so I think it was about two seconds after I finished the game. Maybe 1.5. That is to say, I had approximately as much optimism about it as Eeyore does about his homeowner's insurance prospects.
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:44
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Jesus, guess I'm just an optimist.
I really did always have a glimmer of hope.
I really did always have a glimmer of hope.
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:45
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I actually like the destroy ending. It's what Sheppards goal was from game one and at the end of it all you are finally released from the chains of responsibility. Chains that weigh as much as an entire galaxy.
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:46
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Eterna5 wrote...
I find it weird how the Last of us has an ending that is arguably worse than ME3's and yet people herald as the best game of this generation.
Well that's absolute bull**** that hurts my brain to even look at, but alright.
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:47
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Eterna5 wrote...
I find it weird how the Last of us has an ending that is arguably worse than ME3's and yet people herald it as the best game of this generation.
Guess Bioware fans are just weird.
Or the fact that those are two separate games
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:48
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brettc893 wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
I find it weird how the Last of us has an ending that is arguably worse than ME3's and yet people herald as the best game of this generation.
Well that's absolute bull**** that hurts my brain to even look at, but alright.
It has a pretty grim end dude. It is rather emotionally unfulfilling, just like ME3.
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:49
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Dr. Akairos wrote...
I actually like the destroy ending. It's what Sheppards goal was from game one and at the end of it all you are finally released from the chains of responsibility. Chains that weigh as much as an entire galaxy.
Agreed, the fact that you have to sacrifice the Geth and EDI in this ending actually makes it deeper and more interesting.
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:50
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AresKeith wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
I find it weird how the Last of us has an ending that is arguably worse than ME3's and yet people herald it as the best game of this generation.
Guess Bioware fans are just weird.
Or the fact that those are two separate games
So what? Principle is the same. Tons of emotional investment, then a sudden and unfullfilling ending.
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:50
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Jesus, guess I'm just an optimist.
I really did always have a glimmer of hope.
I thought they had a path opened up with Leviathan to do something with it, but it was more of a "that'd be interesting" scenario than an expectation. The EC was their opportunity to alter the canon on a fairly official and excusable scale, and they stuck to their guns outside of a few alterations.
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:50
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Pretty much since the game was released. I think what we got with EC was what we could expect.
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:52
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butbutbutbut I am holding the lineeeee
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:52
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Eterna5 wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
I find it weird how the Last of us has an ending that is arguably worse than ME3's and yet people herald it as the best game of this generation.
Guess Bioware fans are just weird.
Or the fact that those are two separate games
So what? Principle is the same. Tons of emotional investment, then a sudden and unfullfilling ending.
Except for the fact that it was a fullfilling and emotional ending for the players, where the ME3 endings didn't do that for them
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:54
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Eterna5 wrote...
brettc893 wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
I find it weird how the Last of us has an ending that is arguably worse than ME3's and yet people herald as the best game of this generation.
Well that's absolute bull**** that hurts my brain to even look at, but alright.
It has a pretty grim end dude. It is rather emotionally unfulfilling, just like ME3.
Oh right on, totally.
SPOILERS FOR THE LAST OF US DO NOT LOOK UNLESS READY
I AM WARNING YOU
A broken barbaric man selfishly choosing the life of the young girl whom he sees as a replacement for the daughter he lost over the survival of the entire human race is not only bad writing, but hilariously terrible character development, I mean, it's not as though you watched their incredibly realistic and touching relationship evolve over the course of 20 hours. Never mind that it gives the title of the game meaning. It's also completely comparable to the nonsensical cluster**** that was ME3 .
/Blatant Sarcasm
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:55
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When they said that the EC would add but not change the ending - without axing Starchild, the game is salvageable - i.e. when they first announced the EC.
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:55
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Eterna5 wrote...
I find it weird how the Last of us has an ending that is arguably worse than ME3's and yet people herald it as the best game of this generation.
Guess Bioware fans are just weird.
The end is actually coherent and understandable though, unless ME3 which is just a vomit-fest of loose ends and speculations.
The fact you compare Last of Us ending to ME3 is kinda weird.
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:55
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AresKeith wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
I find it weird how the Last of us has an ending that is arguably worse than ME3's and yet people herald it as the best game of this generation.
Guess Bioware fans are just weird.
Or the fact that those are two separate games
So what? Principle is the same. Tons of emotional investment, then a sudden and unfullfilling ending.
Except for the fact that it was a fullfilling and emotional ending for the players, where the ME3 endings didn't do that for them
Not really. Joel dooms humanity because he is too selfish to lose another daughter, then he lies to that daughters face because he knows she would have sacrificed herself. Then they proceed to live in a hovel for the rest of their lives.
I mean I liked it, but it wasn't really a feel good ending.
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:57
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Pretty much the first time I saw one of the "brilliant" fan theories. Those who hated the ending might have achieved something if they had a genuinely better suggestion to make; instead we all had to sit through the Indoctrination Theory.
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:58
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After the EC OP. They could of done one or two simple things to leave me satisfied but didn't.
Result is that the character and narrative arcs made more sense to players in one and less so in the other. Also less contirvence and ambiguity imvolved with the conclusion of Last of Us. They're both morally grey outcomes but that's where the similarities end.
Short answer: Purely linear narrative with no input from player vs a narrative that's modifiable for the player to a certain extent.Eterna5 wrote...
I find it weird how the Last of us has an ending that is arguably worse than ME3's and yet people herald it as the best game of this generation.
Guess Bioware fans are just weird.
Result is that the character and narrative arcs made more sense to players in one and less so in the other. Also less contirvence and ambiguity imvolved with the conclusion of Last of Us. They're both morally grey outcomes but that's where the similarities end.
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:58
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KiwiQuiche wrote...
of loose ends and speculations.
So is the last of us.
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:59
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I never played this game, Donnie Darko. Was it a continuity trilogy that opened the door for the player to sink much more investment in it than a standard single installment game?
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Posté 23 juin 2013 - 10:59
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Eterna5 wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
I find it weird how the Last of us has an ending that is arguably worse than ME3's and yet people herald it as the best game of this generation.
Guess Bioware fans are just weird.
Or the fact that those are two separate games
So what? Principle is the same. Tons of emotional investment, then a sudden and unfullfilling ending.
Except for the fact that it was a fullfilling and emotional ending for the players, where the ME3 endings didn't do that for them
Not really. Joel dooms humanity because he is too selfish to lose another daughter, then he lies to that daughters face because he knows she would have sacrificed herself. Then they proceed to live in a hovel for the rest of their lives.
I mean I liked it, but it wasn't really a feel good ending.
He chooses to save Ellie despite the random off-chance she could cure people if he lets them hack up her head. The man has lost everyone, including Tara and only has Ellie left. Yes it was selfish, yet it was understandable and I would have done the same.
