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[KiwiQuiche]

Eterna5 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

of loose ends and speculations.

So is the last of us. 

You're comparing the loose ends and speculations of Last of Us to ME3? Really?


lol

[AresKeith]

Eterna5 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Except for the fact that it was a fullfilling and emotional ending for the players, where the ME3 endings didn't do that for them

Not really. Joel dooms humanity because he is too selfish to lose another daughter, then he lies to that daughters face because he knows she would have sacrificed herself. Then they proceed to live in a hovel for the rest of their lives.

I mean I liked it, but it wasn't really a feel good ending. 

That's what they liked about the ending

Trying to compare The Last of Us ending with ME3's ending makes no sense

[brettc893]

Eterna5 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

of loose ends and speculations.

So is the last of us. 

Except it's not at all. In any way.

Mother of God, did you even play the game? Because it seems like you just looked up a synopsis or something and pretend to know what you're talking about.

[Eterna]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I find it weird how the Last of us has an ending that is arguably worse than ME3's and yet people herald it as the best game of this generation.

Guess Bioware fans are just weird. 

Or the fact that those are two separate games

So what? Principle is the same. Tons of emotional investment, then a sudden and unfullfilling ending. 

Except for the fact that it was a fullfilling and emotional ending for the players, where the ME3 endings didn't do that for them

Not really. Joel dooms humanity because he is too selfish to lose another daughter, then he lies to that daughters face because he knows she would have sacrificed herself. Then they proceed to live in a hovel for the rest of their lives.

I mean I liked it, but it wasn't really a feel good ending. 

He chooses to save Ellie despite the random off-chance she could cure people if he lets them hack up her head. The man has lost everyone, including Tara and only has Ellie left. Yes it was selfish, yet it was understandable and I would have done the same.

She couldn't cure anyone, she could just share her immunity. It is made clear that she could have produced a vaccine. I never said it wasn't understandable, it was a very human thing to do. 

Sacrifice others for your own well being. 

[Eterna]

brettc893 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

of loose ends and speculations.

So is the last of us. 

Except it's not at all. In any way.

Mother of God, did you even play the game? Because it seems like you just looked up a synopsis or something and pretend to know what you're talking about.

What are you talking about? We are totally left to wonder what the hell is going to happen after Ellie Says: Okay.

Plenty of speculation for their and humanities future for everyone. 

[dreamgazer]

Wait, is there some secret ending in The Last of Us where you can merge all organic and zombified life through an ancient piece of technology, or control the infected's way of thinking and location?

Modifié par dreamgazer, 23 juin 2013 - 11:07 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Eterna5 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...



Except for the fact that it was a fullfilling and emotional ending for the players, where the ME3 endings didn't do that for them

Not really. Joel dooms humanity because he is too selfish to lose another daughter, then he lies to that daughters face because he knows she would have sacrificed herself. Then they proceed to live in a hovel for the rest of their lives.

I mean I liked it, but it wasn't really a feel good ending. 

He chooses to save Ellie despite the random off-chance she could cure people if he lets them hack up her head. The man has lost everyone, including Tara and only has Ellie left. Yes it was selfish, yet it was understandable and I would have done the same.

She couldn't cure anyone, she could just share her immunity. It is made clear that she could have produced a vaccine. I never said it wasn't understandable, it was a very human thing to do. 

Sacrifice others for your own well being. 

No, not everyone is a selfless person willing to let someone they love die for the 'greater good'. I wouldn't. Joel wouldn't either. And humanity proved they are just as savage and dangerous as the Infected so why sacrifice the last person you love for them? I wouldn't.

[brettc893]

Eterna5 wrote...

brettc893 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

of loose ends and speculations.

So is the last of us. 

Except it's not at all. In any way.

Mother of God, did you even play the game? Because it seems like you just looked up a synopsis or something and pretend to know what you're talking about.

What are you talking about? We are totally left to wonder what the hell is going to happen after Ellie Says: Okay.

Plenty of speculation for their and humanities future for everyone. 

What happens is a sequel more than likely.

Or Ellie and Joel keep on keeping on like they have been until they both die.

Tah dah. 

[Eterna]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...



Except for the fact that it was a fullfilling and emotional ending for the players, where the ME3 endings didn't do that for them

Not really. Joel dooms humanity because he is too selfish to lose another daughter, then he lies to that daughters face because he knows she would have sacrificed herself. Then they proceed to live in a hovel for the rest of their lives.

I mean I liked it, but it wasn't really a feel good ending. 

He chooses to save Ellie despite the random off-chance she could cure people if he lets them hack up her head. The man has lost everyone, including Tara and only has Ellie left. Yes it was selfish, yet it was understandable and I would have done the same.

She couldn't cure anyone, she could just share her immunity. It is made clear that she could have produced a vaccine. I never said it wasn't understandable, it was a very human thing to do. 

Sacrifice others for your own well being. 

No, not everyone is a selfless person willing to let someone they love die for the 'greater good'. I wouldn't. Joel wouldn't either. And humanity proved they are just as savage and dangerous as the Infected so why sacrifice the last person you love for them? I wouldn't.

The post you quoted was agreeing with you...

[AresKeith]

brettc893 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

brettc893 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

of loose ends and speculations.

So is the last of us. 

Except it's not at all. In any way.

Mother of God, did you even play the game? Because it seems like you just looked up a synopsis or something and pretend to know what you're talking about.

What are you talking about? We are totally left to wonder what the hell is going to happen after Ellie Says: Okay.

Plenty of speculation for their and humanities future for everyone. 

What happens is a sequel more than likely.

Or Ellie and Joel keep on keeping on like they have been until they both die.

Tah dah. 

But I want a sequel 

[Eterna]

brettc893 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

brettc893 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

of loose ends and speculations.

So is the last of us. 

Except it's not at all. In any way.

Mother of God, did you even play the game? Because it seems like you just looked up a synopsis or something and pretend to know what you're talking about.

What are you talking about? We are totally left to wonder what the hell is going to happen after Ellie Says: Okay.

Plenty of speculation for their and humanities future for everyone. 

What happens is a sequel more than likely.

Or Ellie and Joel keep on keeping on like they have been until they both die.

Tah dah. 

Naughty Dog said Joel and Ellies story is over. 

[KiwiQuiche]

Eterna5 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...



Except for the fact that it was a fullfilling and emotional ending for the players, where the ME3 endings didn't do that for them

Not really. Joel dooms humanity because he is too selfish to lose another daughter, then he lies to that daughters face because he knows she would have sacrificed herself. Then they proceed to live in a hovel for the rest of their lives.

I mean I liked it, but it wasn't really a feel good ending. 

He chooses to save Ellie despite the random off-chance she could cure people if he lets them hack up her head. The man has lost everyone, including Tara and only has Ellie left. Yes it was selfish, yet it was understandable and I would have done the same.

She couldn't cure anyone, she could just share her immunity. It is made clear that she could have produced a vaccine. I never said it wasn't understandable, it was a very human thing to do. 

Sacrifice others for your own well being. 

No, not everyone is a selfless person willing to let someone they love die for the 'greater good'. I wouldn't. Joel wouldn't either. And humanity proved they are just as savage and dangerous as the Infected so why sacrifice the last person you love for them? I wouldn't.

The post you quoted was agreeing with you...

So why do you think it was a lousy end that Joel did that then?

[GreyLycanTrope]

I love how this has turned into a Last of us discussion, I really do.

[AresKeith]

Greylycantrope wrote...

I love how this has turned into a Last of us discussion, I really do.

It reminds me when Txgoldrush randomly attacked Bioshock: Infinite

[Eterna]

KiwiQuiche wrote...


So why do you think it was a lousy end that Joel did that then?

I never said it was lousy. Just emotionally unfullfilling, which it is. 

Joel comes out of it pretty happy. But everything Ellie went through was for nothing, she'll probalby even grow to resent Joel as she clearly knows he's lying. 

Also, you know, the eminent extinction of hummanity is kind of sad. 

Lets be clear here,  The last of us is one of my favorite games, I like it more than Mass Effect.  I'm not attacking it. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 23 juin 2013 - 11:15 .

[Dubozz]

Yeah EC. There were no suicide mission, no war assets, no rachni, no me2 squadmembers. Evacuation during beam run - What? Because forced emotions. Polite harbinger didn't want to shoot the Normany down.- whatever. IT? - debunked. Starbrat and three colored retarded endings were still in place. "so be it" - another big "F*** you" to the fans. Synthesis explanation was the most moronic thing i ever heard in ME.

"They had to hurry." I thought. "a lot of DLCs to sell". Slides...in .bik You know..to be bigger. New cgi was nice though but it alone can't save the whole thing. So yeah. EC was the point i thought ME is done.

[dreamgazer]

Greylycantrope wrote...

I love how this has turned into a Last of us discussion, I really do.

Hey, if it gets more people to play true, emotional, exceptional survival horror games like it, then I'm cool with its ending being misguidedly dragged through the mud. 

[Eterna]

dreamgazer wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

I love how this has turned into a Last of us discussion, I really do.

Hey, if it gets more people to play true, emotional, exceptional survival horror games like it, then I'm cool with its ending being misguidedly dragged through the mud. 

How am I dragging it through the mud? 

[Dubozz]

How about we will stop talking about last of us.

[KiwiQuiche]

Eterna5 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...


So why do you think it was a lousy end that Joel did that then?

I never said it was lousy. Just emotionally unfullfilling, which it is. 

Joel comes out of it pretty happy. But everything Ellie went through was for nothing, she'll probalby even grow to resent Joel as she clearly knows he's lying. 

Also, you know, the eminent extinction of hummanity is kind of sad. 

How? It would be bad if the Firefly lady said "we are gonna hack up Ellie's head" and the game ended. Kinda ME3 comparable if that was the end.

No really, since they really drove the "humans are scumbags" thing in the game. I can count the decent humans on one hand. The rest are crazed nutjobs who are nearly as bad as the Infected.

[AresKeith]

Eterna5 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...


So why do you think it was a lousy end that Joel did that then?

I never said it was lousy. Just emotionally unfullfilling, which it is. 

Joel comes out of it pretty happy. But everything Ellie went through was for nothing, she'll probalby even grow to resent Joel as she clearly knows he's lying. 

Except it was emotionally fullfilling to the players, the game was more about Joel and Ellie than the cure

Also, you know, the eminent extinction of hummanity is kind of sad. 

And what makes you think Ellie was the only immune in the worlds or US?

[Eterna]

AresKeith wrote...


Except it was emotionally fullfilling to the players, the game was more about Joel and Ellie than the cure

I'm a player of the game and I wasn't emotionally fulfilled. I was left feeling rather hollow.

But that's fine, because that's how I expected to feel at the end given the setting and such. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 23 juin 2013 - 11:21 .

[dreamgazer]

Eterna5 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

I love how this has turned into a Last of us discussion, I really do.

Hey, if it gets more people to play true, emotional, exceptional survival horror games like it, then I'm cool with its ending being misguidedly dragged through the mud. 

How am I dragging it through the mud? 

Well, by associating its unfulfilling and loose-ended nature with that of ME3's ending among some people who felt those were negative traits, you're kinda doing so---even though you expressed that you liked it to some degree. 

[Eterna]

dreamgazer wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

I love how this has turned into a Last of us discussion, I really do.

Hey, if it gets more people to play true, emotional, exceptional survival horror games like it, then I'm cool with its ending being misguidedly dragged through the mud. 

How am I dragging it through the mud? 

Well, by associating its unfulfilling and loose-ended nature with that of ME3's ending among some people who felt those were negative traits, you're kinda doing so---even though you expressed that you liked it to some degree. 

I liked the original ending to ME3, me comparing it to the Last of us isn't really placing a negative association on it, at least from my perspective. 

I just find it weird how one can have almost universal acclaim and the other gets roasted by the fans despite how they kind of end in a similar manner. At least from my view. 

[Astartes Marine]

Aaaannnd...that's another game ending Eterna5 has spoiled for me.  Jackass.  <_<


As for the actual topic, when the credits rolled and it hit me that BioWare released the game apparently believing that what they released was perfectly fine and how it took a fairly loud backlash from fans for them to do anything about it.