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[Erez Kristal]

dreamgazer wrote...

erezike wrote...

Me 2 tops the userscore charts of 2010.
Mass effect 3 fails to make that claim...

Hey, if you go by Metacritic's 360 scores, ME3 has nearly double the positive scores of Mass Effect 2, and many of the red scores are "good/great/fantastic game ... except for the ending".

Do those folks not matter in this conversation?

Thats some way to look at statistics.
The players wrote the feeling they had while playing the game.
Because the ending was so bad for them. they failed to notice the badness that was the mass effect 3 plot.

On xbox in meta critic its 5.5 for me3 and 8.9 for me2....  i havent found even one place where you have mass effect 3 outscoring mass effect 2 in user scores.

it ranges from 9 points to 38.

Modifié par erezike, 25 juin 2013 - 09:47 .

[Erez Kristal]

WittingEight65 wrote...

The question is, the people that hate the game with passion and are still here, Are they waiting to see (Or want to see) Bioware's fall? Or, Are they waiting to see if Bioware can find the way to go back to their roots, and make a good game again?

Because, if it is the first thing, kid, you need help.

we want to see our favorite gaming series fixed.
at this point i couldnt care less for who is going to fix it.

Modifié par erezike, 25 juin 2013 - 09:49 .

[TheProtheans]

EC was when there was nothing left, it was always going down from ME3 release date.

[TheProtheans]

Faust1979 wrote...

so much butt hurt because some people didn't get an ending that pandered to them and don't want to have to think about anything

That is funny considering most people hate the ending and the story because they thought about it and understand it.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 25 juin 2013 - 10:00 .

[Nole]

StreetMagic wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

The question is, the people that hate the game with passion and are still here, Are they waiting to see (Or want to see) Bioware's fall? Or, Are they waiting to see if Bioware can find the way to go back to their roots, and make a good game again?

Because, if it is the first thing, kid, you need help.

Some of us are new "ending haters". I only bought this game a month ago. Yet I come to similar conclusions. The only thing I'm waiting for is how Bioware writes themselves out of this. I don't know if I'll buy ME4, but I'm curious why the hell they're even making it to begin with. It seems like the MEU is destroyed. Maybe they'll prove that wrong.

One thing is to say, the ending is bad cause this and that.
Another thing is when your posts in every single thread can be reduced in "The ending is bad and Bioware should feel bad QQ".

[dreamgazer]

erezike wrote...

Thats some way to look at statistics.
The players wrote the feeling they had while playing the game.
Because the ending was so bad for them. they failed to notice the badness that was the mass effect 3 plot.

On xbox in meta critic its 5.5 for me3 and 8.9 for me2....  i havent found even one place where you have mass effect 3 outscoring mass effect 2 in user scores.

it ranges from 9 points to 38.

So, if it's so terrible, why did 1.692 people give it a positive review on Metacritic? That's more positive than negative.  And my apologies: looking at the more accurate expanded graphs, Mass Effect 2 does have more positive reviews than ME3: 2,356.  Their front-page numbers are misleading. 

User scores on the Internet are a very poor gauge of quality in the first place, because petulant audience members will flock to dump on it if it doesn't meet expectations and to "make their voice heard" with 0.0 bombs. But you're still sweeping the largest number of reviews under the table in your assessment.  ME3's writing needed more work, but plenty of people were satisfied---even those who gave it negative marks simply because they didn't like the ending. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 25 juin 2013 - 10:03 .

[TheProtheans]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

To many it is, to many it is not. Go and try to do justice for both groups. You can't. People should realise and face it already: This is how fiction and art in general work (it doesn't matter what you consider art or not in this regard, since that's not the point here): sometimes you just don't get what you expect or consider good, though it does not mean that it is not good for someone else. There's no objective good or bad here. For instance I enjoy the ending of the game and the 3rd game very much, many hate it. Others praise the 2nd game to the heavens, while I think it is overrated as hell, and I find it the weakest of the 3 games. So, different tastes and preferences I guess, but there's nothing objective about it. I have 3 friends who play and like ME. Three of us like the ending, one of us doesn't. Does this mean that the ending is objectively good or that the majority likes it? Do the math yourself (I a help a bit though: no, it does not). 

I can understand how people can like the ending based on the something I do not understand or want to understand.
It is similar to Fox News, I just don't understand how one can watch and like that crap.
People liking ME3 just seems like something that unfortunately brings out the worst in humanity.

[dreamgazer]

TheProtheans wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

so much butt hurt because some people didn't get an ending that pandered to them and don't want to have to think about anything

That is funny considering most people hate the ending and the story because they thought about it and understand it.

It only reflects poorly on the posters who say "some people didn't get it" when they do so.  

I say let 'em keep doing it; it kills their credibility. 

[dreamgazer]

TheProtheans wrote...

It is similar to Fox News, I just don't understand how one can watch and like that crap.

Neither can I, but that has nothing to do with ME3 and dark endings. 

[TheProtheans]

dreamgazer wrote...

erezike wrote...

Thats some way to look at statistics.
The players wrote the feeling they had while playing the game.
Because the ending was so bad for them. they failed to notice the badness that was the mass effect 3 plot.

On xbox in meta critic its 5.5 for me3 and 8.9 for me2....  i havent found even one place where you have mass effect 3 outscoring mass effect 2 in user scores.

it ranges from 9 points to 38.

So, if it's so terrible, why did 1.692 people give it a positive review on Metacritic? That's more positive than negative.  And my apologies: looking at the more accurate expanded graphs, Mass Effect 2 does have more positive reviews than ME3: 2,356.  Their front-page numbers are misleading. 

User scores on the Internet are a very poor gauge of quality in the first place, because petulant audience members will flock to dump on it if it doesn't meet expectations and to "make their voice heard" with 0.0 bombs. But you're still sweeping the largest number of reviews under the table in your assessment.  ME3's writing needed more work, but plenty of people were satisfied---even those who gave it negative marks simply because they didn't like the ending. 

5.5 is a pretty terrible score for game, a score deserving of a bad game.
And it is no surprise I find you taking only one point in order to defend ME3, you totally skip imbeciles giving it 10's just out of spite.

[TheProtheans]

dreamgazer wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

It is similar to Fox News, I just don't understand how one can watch and like that crap.

Neither can I, but that has nothing to do with ME3 and dark endings. 

It was to further explain my lack of understanding.

[dreamgazer]

TheProtheans wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

erezike wrote...

Thats some way to look at statistics.
The players wrote the feeling they had while playing the game.
Because the ending was so bad for them. they failed to notice the badness that was the mass effect 3 plot.

On xbox in meta critic its 5.5 for me3 and 8.9 for me2....  i havent found even one place where you have mass effect 3 outscoring mass effect 2 in user scores.

it ranges from 9 points to 38.

So, if it's so terrible, why did 1.692 people give it a positive review on Metacritic? That's more positive than negative.  And my apologies: looking at the more accurate expanded graphs, Mass Effect 2 does have more positive reviews than ME3: 2,356.  Their front-page numbers are misleading. 

User scores on the Internet are a very poor gauge of quality in the first place, because petulant audience members will flock to dump on it if it doesn't meet expectations and to "make their voice heard" with 0.0 bombs. But you're still sweeping the largest number of reviews under the table in your assessment.  ME3's writing needed more work, but plenty of people were satisfied---even those who gave it negative marks simply because they didn't like the ending. 

5.5 is a pretty terrible score for game, a score deserving of a bad game.
And it is no surprise I find you taking only one point in order to defend ME3, you totally skip imbeciles giving it 10's just out of spite.

There are imbeciles all around, kiddo.  That's part of my point, and something I'm sure you understand well. 

The other part is that people actually liked the game, despite what the BSN would love to believe.

[Erez Kristal]

There are many people who liked the game. they like it for various reasons.
But a lot of people didnt.

When you Look at bioware games,
Mass effect 1+2 will be remembered along side with dragon age 1 and baldurs gate.

While Mass effect 3 will be remembered with dragon age 2....

Its about the the distribution of scores. mass effect 3 failed on that department. the faliure was connected to the story

[dreamgazer]

Nah, the "failure" was connected to the ending and the overblown circus around it.

[Erez Kristal]

dreamgazer wrote...

Nah, the "failure" was connected to the ending and the overblown circus around it.

in the bottom line it was a faliure, you can analyze it as you see fit.

i think that focusing on the ending, when the build up is there for the entire game is short-sighted.
It was even more clear when they published the extended cut which only expanded on the faliure of the endings.

Sure there are players who liked the story. i enjoyed many part of it aswell. but the general feeling was hollow. too many immersion breaking moments for me to be able to cope with. 
Too many times i thought to myself, that would never and should have never happened.

Or gee what are the chances of that.... dues-ex

Modifié par erezike, 25 juin 2013 - 10:30 .

[Nole]

I don't know. Bioware seems to wants people to forget DA2 , while they are proud to say, when presenting new games, "By the developers of ME3".

[Erez Kristal]

WittingEight65 wrote...

I don't know. Bioware seems to wants people to forget DA2 , while they are proud to say, when presenting new games, "By the developers of ME3".

How far back should they go? :happy:

[AlanC9]

erezike wrote...
Its pretty clear. In order to make sure that some organic life survive in the galaxy they need to press the reset button every 50,000 years. otherwise it will be all synthetics.
It isnt very complicated.
Its just very bad.
The biggest problem is that because everyone were shouting about the ending most people didnt realize how bad the entire plot was..

Or realized that it had always been a bad plot. It's not like the Reapers' motivations made sense before ME3.

[Erez Kristal]

AlanC9 wrote...

erezike wrote...
Its pretty clear. In order to make sure that some organic life survive in the galaxy they need to press the reset button every 50,000 years. otherwise it will be all synthetics.
It isnt very complicated.
Its just very bad.
The biggest problem is that because everyone were shouting about the ending most people didnt realize how bad the entire plot was..

Or realized that it had always been a bad plot. It's not like the Reapers' motivations made sense before ME3.

The reapers motivations were never important... they should have kept them vauge unless they thought of something really clever. keep you guessing.

[Dubozz]

AlanC9 wrote...

erezike wrote...
Its pretty clear. In order to make sure that some organic life survive in the galaxy they need to press the reset button every 50,000 years. otherwise it will be all synthetics.
It isnt very complicated.
Its just very bad.
The biggest problem is that because everyone were shouting about the ending most people didnt realize how bad the entire plot was..

Or realized that it had always been a bad plot. It's not like the Reapers' motivations made sense before ME3.

We knew nothing about reaper motives untill last 10 minutes of ME3. 

[ioannisdenton]

Did not read anything but i ll say this as a former ending hater:
Stop hating.
Stop repeating the same things-arguments over and over.
The ending at it's current form with Ec and Leviathan is fine.
What did you expect people seriously???
A happy "galaxy united" win win win the reapers?
it was obvious that this would not be the case.
Did you want shepard to live?
It is better that shepard dies. It is more meaningful this way.
Also a note on war assets:
READ them, as you did with the Codex.
Making separate cutscenes for each war assets OR race is impossible.
Too many choices; one may NOT recriuted volus, other may not recruited hanar, geth may be absent, you get the picture. It could NOT be done. Unlike Me2 squadmates which they should have more screentime.

[AlanC9]

Right, Dubozz, because Bio never had a clue what those motives were.

ME1 dug the hole that ME3 fell into. ME2 evaded the hole by not being about anything.

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 juin 2013 - 10:40 .

[Nole]

ioannisdenton wrote...

Stop repeating the same things-arguments over and over.

Please.

[Dubozz]

AlanC9 wrote...

Right, Dubozz, because Bio never had a clue what those motives were.

ME1 dug the hole that ME3 fell into. ME2 evaded the hole by not being about anything.

So are you telling me that this is bad writing or something? What a revelation. I ageee that ME2 plot wasn't the best i ever see, but game didn't try to punch me in face in the moment of my greatest triumph.

Modifié par Dubozz, 25 juin 2013 - 10:44 .