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[Erez Kristal]

dreamgazer wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Son ...

You're adorable.

... the overall point was generally negative towards negative scores and had no mention of postive score in the same like.
If you wish to show you share them in the same light then I suggest you give them an equal or similar number of points.

Why should I? It's a lot easier to peel through the red ratings and see that the score has been bombed by angsty infants than it is to sort out the "dishonest" positive reviews.  They exist on both sides, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where it skews and why it skewed. And I never said that I see them in the same light, only that imbeciles exist on both ends.  Hint: there's more on one end than the other.  It's the Internet, after all. 

Also, if we were to somehow say that the exaggerated voting were equal on both sides, there'd still be more positive scores---and the overall total would almost assuredly be higher than a 5.5 after the flood of hasty zeroes were axed.

They are more on one end for you, because thats the end you are more comfortable with.
When i see someone cry about a bad ending, i see someone who is still processing and hasnt figured out that the problem was much greater.
this is all because mass effect was for us much more than a simple game.

This is why we debate and banter here on the internet when we probaly should be doing more productive things.

[TheProtheans]

dreamgazer wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Son ...

You're adorable.

... the overall point was generally negative towards negative scores and had no mention of postive score in the same like.
If you wish to show you share them in the same light then I suggest you give them an equal or similar number of points.

Why should I? It's a lot easier to peel through the red ratings and see that the score has been bombed by angsty infants than it is to sort out the "dishonest" positive reviews.  They exist on both sides, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where it skews and why it skewed. And I never said that I see them in the same light, only that imbeciles exist on both ends.  Hint: there's more on one end than the other.  It's the Internet, after all. 

Also, if we were to somehow say that the exaggerated voting were equal on both sides, there'd still be more positive scores---and the overall total would almost assuredly be higher than a 5.5 after the flood of hasty zeroes were axed.

Sister, com'on now.
If someone gave it as 10 when it was really meant to be a 7 then it would be no different than if it was at the other end of the spectrum.

[ioannisdenton]

xAmilli0n wrote...

erezike wrote...

Portal has no story.

Whoa, what game did you play?  Because I can assure you it was not Portal.

portal has a story now? lie seriously? are one of these people that think Braid ahs a story too? Also Silent hill 2 's story is non sensical.
EDIT: fareneheit?? really? Lucas all of a sudden started flying! what a  gaming dissapointment!!!!!!! i was hooked with the game up to the final part!!!!
you hate Me3's plot but you like farenhiet better?
EDIT#2
Red dead redemption? In loved this game but the story kept draging on and on without any sense, why was i sticking with the "fake doctor" again?  i was making favors for o reason in this game and i am talking about the main story missions.

Modifié par ioannisdenton, 25 juin 2013 - 11:23 .

[Erez Kristal]

ioannisdenton wrote...

erezike wrote...

e after you killed them and geth and quarrians going all crazy. this is even before the big bad dues ex catalyst

Well the game somehow had to begin right?
I always do arrival and the reason why Shep is on earth  is justifiable. A human blowed up a batarian relay, humans and batarians have enough tension between them so a scapegoat is found: Shepard.

Rachni: if one is renegade then the rachni queen must be killed again , in my first renegade playthrough i spared the queen and the rachni-breeder betrayed me. i read it in the war assets, yes i enjoy reading in bioware games.
They ARE bioware games so one must read the various stuff in my opinion.
Now i can totally see your annoyance  (i did too in the beggining): but Bioware decided noone should miss the rachni enemy.
Note that the rachni queen is different than the Breeder, it has a different personality. Also aralach company survives. Why do we have to be so strict with Me3 all the time? Me2 did nothing on Me1 main desicions by your logic.

Quarians and geth, yeap it is as you worte it, quarians got crazy but it was after admral Xen developed the special weapon against the geth.

The story has to start, but why railroad it into shep wasting his time for six monthes. what wrong with letting you play from the point you stopped in me 2. so you could decide if you wanted to turn yourself in or go cold on the alliance. turning yourself in is only one solution to a problem which has countless solutions. its one thing to railroad you to a good solution its completely different when they railroad you to a terribile one.

In mass effect 2 they avoided mass effect 1 decisions.
In mass effect 3 they watered the decisions of mass effect 1 and 2 down.
Thats the difference its the breaking of immersion. of my suspense of desbelief when i play the game.

With the rachni, the entire idea is that you will never see them again.
Now they bring them back so you will have the exactly the same level with a little bit of different reading.

I love to read to. i spent hours on the codex. immersing myself in the world. me3 story was a disgrace the deeper you sink into it and question what you see.

[dreamgazer]

erezike wrote...

They are more on one end for you, because thats the end you are more comfortable with.
When i see someone cry about a bad ending, i see someone who is still processing and hasnt figured out that the problem was much greater.
this is all because mass effect was for us much more than a simple game.

Heh. It's a game series where all three entries have plenty of problems.  The writing is "better" in the first game, despite its own logic gaps, magic, and easy plot fixes, but it gets messy in both the second and third.  

TheProtheans wrote...

Sister, com'on now.
If someone gave it as 10 when it was really meant to be a 7 then it would be no different than if it was at the other end of the spectrum.

Avoiding the point, sweetheart. You're getting into subjectivity.

[Dubozz]

AlanC9 wrote...

Dubozz wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Right, Dubozz, because Bio never had a clue what those motives were.

ME1 dug the hole that ME3 fell into. ME2 evaded the hole by not being about anything.

So are you telling me that this is bad writing or something? What a revelation.

Always bad, yep. Though it's only in one small aspect of the writing that the games are bad; other aspects are quite good, as Bio games usually are.

Why did you reply to me, anyway? What did you think I was saying?

I'm sorry, i may not get you right. Yeah I kinda liked almost everything about other aspects of the game, exept for main storyline and endings, and lack of suicide mission, and previous choices that matter, and me2 squadmates.

[ioannisdenton]

erezike wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

erezike wrote...

e after you killed them and geth and quarrians going all crazy. this is even before the big bad dues ex catalyst

Well the game somehow had to begin right?
I always do arrival and the reason why Shep is on earth  is justifiable. A human blowed up a batarian relay, humans and batarians have enough tension between them so a scapegoat is found: Shepard.

Rachni: if one is renegade then the rachni queen must be killed again , in my first renegade playthrough i spared the queen and the rachni-breeder betrayed me. i read it in the war assets, yes i enjoy reading in bioware games.
They ARE bioware games so one must read the various stuff in my opinion.
Now i can totally see your annoyance  (i did too in the beggining): but Bioware decided noone should miss the rachni enemy.
Note that the rachni queen is different than the Breeder, it has a different personality. Also aralach company survives. Why do we have to be so strict with Me3 all the time? Me2 did nothing on Me1 main desicions by your logic.

Quarians and geth, yeap it is as you worte it, quarians got crazy but it was after admral Xen developed the special weapon against the geth.

The story has to start, but why railroad it into shep wasting his time for six monthes. what wrong with letting you play from the point you stopped in me 2. so you could decide if you wanted to turn yourself in or go cold on the alliance. turning yourself in is only one solution to a problem which has countless solutions. its one thing to railroad you to a good solution its completely different when they railroad you to a terribile one.

In mass effect 2 they avoided mass effect 1 decisions.
In mass effect 3 they watered the decisions of mass effect 1 and 2 down.
Thats the difference its the breaking of immersion. of my suspense of desbelief when i play the game.

With the rachni, the entire idea is that you will never see them again.
Now they bring them back so you will have the exactly the same level with a little bit of different reading.

I love to read to. i spent hours on the codex. immersing myself in the world. me3 story was a disgrace the deeper you sink into it and question what you see.

hmm i would really like to talk more but i am waking early in the morning. it is 2.30 am here.
As a last response i ll say that my as my current trilogy playghough comes to an end (only last mission left and the party) i really enjoyed it this time despite hating Me3 when i first finished it last year. It makes sense to me now. However it may be just me.
end.
"i should go"

[xAmilli0n]

ioannisdenton wrote...

xAmilli0n wrote...

erezike wrote...

Portal has no story.

Whoa, what game did you play?  Because I can assure you it was not Portal.

portal has a story now? lie seriously? are one of these people that think Braid ahs a story too? Also Silent hill 2 's story is non sensical.

While often overlooked, there is a clear story in the mystery of what happened at Aperture Science.  Its a completely different type of story, and it is told in a completely different way but it is definitely there.

Modifié par xAmilli0n, 25 juin 2013 - 11:32 .

[Dubozz]

ioannisdenton wrote...

portal has a story now? lie seriously? are one of these people that think Braid ahs a story too? Also Silent hill 2 's story is non sensical.
EDIT: fareneheit?? really? Lucas all of a sudden started flying! what a  gaming dissapointment!!!!!!! i was hooked with the game up to the final part!!!!
you hate Me3's plot but you like farenhiet better?
EDIT#2
Red dead redemption? In loved this game but the story kept draging on and on without any sense, why was i sticking with the "fake doctor" again?  i was making favors for o reason in this game and i am talking about the main story missions.

What's you point? "I don't like what you like" I kinda expected this. No surprises here.

[ioannisdenton]

Dubozz wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

portal has a story now? lie seriously? are one of these people that think Braid ahs a story too? Also Silent hill 2 's story is non sensical.
EDIT: fareneheit?? really? Lucas all of a sudden started flying! what a  gaming dissapointment!!!!!!! i was hooked with the game up to the final part!!!!
you hate Me3's plot but you like farenhiet better?
EDIT#2
Red dead redemption? In loved this game but the story kept draging on and on without any sense, why was i sticking with the "fake doctor" again?  i was making favors for o reason in this game and i am talking about the main story missions.

What's you point? "I don't like what you like" I kinda expected this. No surprises here.

damn it is late.. but one last response.
this was not the case. I do like half the games you post and they have a great story. i was not trying to devalue your post but to try and compare the depth of the story and how many games actually have a story that is more than decent or great or complex. Mass effect is one of these games.

[Dubozz]

ioannisdenton wrote...

damn it is late.. but one last response.
this was not the case. I do like half the games you post and they have a great story. i was not trying to devalue your post but to try and compare the depth of the story and how many games actually have a story that is more than decent or great or complex. Mass effect is one of these games.

Well ME3 definitely was one of these games, until something happened in the end. Agreea bout other games though. 

[TheProtheans]

dreamgazer wrote...

Avoiding the point, sweetheart. You're getting into subjectivity.

I haven't avoided any point, please bring up the point in question that I have avoided.
Your opinion isn't much of a point for me, so if you're referring to your opinion then yeah I avoided responding to your opinion as I have an different opinion.

[AlanC9]

erezike wrote...
The story has to start, but why railroad it into shep wasting his time for six monthes. what wrong with letting you play from the point you stopped in me 2. so you could decide if you wanted to turn yourself in or go cold on the alliance. turning yourself in is only one solution to a problem which has countless solutions. its one thing to railroad you to a good solution its completely different when they railroad you to a terribile one.

What's terrible about Shepard turning himself in? He could fly around in the SR-2 and beat up more Blue Suns mooks, but that doesn't help with the Reaper problem.

Modifié par AlanC9, 26 juin 2013 - 12:20 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

AlanC9 wrote...

erezike wrote...
The story has to start, but why railroad it into shep wasting his time for six monthes. what wrong with letting you play from the point you stopped in me 2. so you could decide if you wanted to turn yourself in or go cold on the alliance. turning yourself in is only one solution to a problem which has countless solutions. its one thing to railroad you to a good solution its completely different when they railroad you to a terribile one.

What's terrible about Shepard turning himself in? He could fly around in the SR-2 and beat up more Blue Suns mooks, but that doesn't help with the Reaper problem.

Turn herself in for what? If the Alliance had no evidence why turn herself in. Hackett said "when the Alliance calls." I don't remember the Alliance calling. The only thing Hackett said was "I don't think this is a Cerberus ship anymore." He didn't say it was an Alliance ship either.

You have been working with a known terrorist organization for about a year. Cerberus. Your reputation is thinner than it was two years ago because of that. So what are you going to expect if you walk into an Alliance Military base and confess to a capital offense just because you said you did it because the reapers are coming? A pat on the back?

No. You're going to get thrown in lock up, and you're going to get hung out to dry by Admiral Hackett who is going to disavow any knowledge of your action. Why do you think he didn't take that copy of your report?

No one is going to believe you about the reapers. You are simply going to be thrown in a cell as a terrorist. And you're going to sound like a madwoman screaming about the reapers until they land. You'd be better off just going to the Council and telling them you're done with that Cerberus business, that you took down the Collectors, and you want to go back to business as usual with them, and all Cerberus operatives are off your ship, and yeah, it needs a paint job.

[Clayless]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Turn herself in for what? If the Alliance had no evidence why turn herself in. Hackett said "when the Alliance calls." I don't remember the Alliance calling. The only thing Hackett said was "I don't think this is a Cerberus ship anymore." He didn't say it was an Alliance ship either.

You have been working with a known terrorist organization for about a year. Cerberus. Your reputation is thinner than it was two years ago because of that. So what are you going to expect if you walk into an Alliance Military base and confess to a capital offense just because you said you did it because the reapers are coming? A pat on the back?

No. You're going to get thrown in lock up, and you're going to get hung out to dry by Admiral Hackett who is going to disavow any knowledge of your action. Why do you think he didn't take that copy of your report?

No one is going to believe you about the reapers. You are simply going to be thrown in a cell as a terrorist. And you're going to sound like a madwoman screaming about the reapers until they land. You'd be better off just going to the Council and telling them you're done with that Cerberus business, that you took down the Collectors, and you want to go back to business as usual with them, and all Cerberus operatives are off your ship, and yeah, it needs a paint job.

"You're not a Spectre Shepard. You've even abandoned your own people and are working for a known terrorist organisation, you have no leeway or pull. We have no reason to even be having this discussion. Get out."

[Teddie Sage]

Eterna5 wrote...

Not really. Joel dooms humanity because he is too selfish to lose another daughter, then he lies to that daughters face because he knows she would have sacrificed herself. Then they proceed to live in a hovel for the rest of their lives.

I mean I liked it, but it wasn't really a feel good ending. 

It was just a vaccine, a temporary resistance booster to the disease or whatever. It wasn't even a cure. It could've been a cure but there wasn't enough Ellies to reproduce enough Vaccine and spread that to the world. They would need to modify children born after the incident and make sure they mutate like Ellie did. Wouldn't work, it would just go in spirals and they would have to sacrifice children and teenagers to make even more vaccine. Joel did the right thing.

[KiwiQuiche]

I don't even know why Shepard goes to the Alliance; she's a Spectre, she only answers to the Council and they turn a blind-eye to her actions and Cerberus affiliation.

So basically Shepard is once again forced to be an utter moron due to plot movement.

[Clayless]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

she's a Spectre

No she's not.

[KiwiQuiche]

Robosexual wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

she's a Spectre

No she's not.

So some she is.

[MegaSovereign]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I don't even know why Shepard goes to the Alliance; she's a Spectre, she only answers to the Council and they turn a blind-eye to her actions and Cerberus affiliation.

So basically Shepard is once again forced to be an utter moron due to plot movement.

I think Shepard would have a harder time trying to diplomatically unite every race if he was still wearing Cerberus colors. I don't think this is a great example of moronic railroading.

[Clayless]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

she's a Spectre

No she's not.

So some she is.

And for some she isn't.

Bioware can't make two completely different games, they had to make a decision.

[KiwiQuiche]

Robosexual wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

she's a Spectre

No she's not.

So some she is.

And for some she isn't.

Bioware can't make two completely different games, they had to make a decision.

So they made her act like a bumbing ****** and do nothing for six months after letting her get locked up by people who have no authority over here? Yeah, smooth decison skills.

[o Ventus]

Robosexual wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

she's a Spectre

No she's not.

So that Spectre reinstatement didn't really happen then?

[KiwiQuiche]

MegaSovereign wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I don't even know why Shepard goes to the Alliance; she's a Spectre, she only answers to the Council and they turn a blind-eye to her actions and Cerberus affiliation.

So basically Shepard is once again forced to be an utter moron due to plot movement.

I think Shepard would have a harder time trying to diplomatically unite every race if he was still wearing Cerberus colors. I don't think this is a great example of moronic railroading.

...hence why leaving Cerberus after giving TIM an FU then trying to sort everyone out rather than sitting around for six months until the Reapers show up to kill everyone.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

o Ventus wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

she's a Spectre

No she's not.

So that Spectre reinstatement didn't really happen then?

Well it didn't happen for my Shepard. Didn't get Spectre status back until ME3.