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[o Ventus]

ioannisdenton wrote...

portal has a story now? lie seriously? are one of these people that think Braid ahs a story too? Also Silent hill 2 's story is non sensical.
EDIT: fareneheit?? really? Lucas all of a sudden started flying! what a  gaming dissapointment!!!!!!! i was hooked with the game up to the final part!!!!
you hate Me3's plot but you like farenhiet better?
EDIT#2
Red dead redemption? In loved this game but the story kept draging on and on without any sense, why was i sticking with the "fake doctor" again?  i was making favors for o reason in this game and i am talking about the main story missions.

This post killed my family.

[AlanC9]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Turn herself in for what? If the Alliance had no evidence why turn herself in. Hackett said "when the Alliance calls." I don't remember the Alliance calling.

That hapoened between ME2 and ME3' of course.

No one is going to believe you about the reapers. You are simply going to be thrown in a cell as a terrorist. And you're going to sound like a madwoman screaming about the reapers until they land. You'd be better off just going to the Council and telling them you're done with that Cerberus business, that you took down the Collectors, and you want to go back to business as usual with them, and all Cerberus operatives are off your ship, and yeah, it needs a paint job.

So turning herself in to the Alliance = bad, turning herself in to the Council = good?

[MegaSovereign]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I don't even know why Shepard goes to the Alliance; she's a Spectre, she only answers to the Council and they turn a blind-eye to her actions and Cerberus affiliation.

So basically Shepard is once again forced to be an utter moron due to plot movement.

I think Shepard would have a harder time trying to diplomatically unite every race if he was still wearing Cerberus colors. I don't think this is a great example of moronic railroading.

...hence why leaving Cerberus after giving TIM an FU then trying to sort everyone out rather than sitting around for six months until the Reapers show up to kill everyone.

Sure, he could try. A lot of the alliances were only made because the Reapers pushed their leaders to the wall. For example, do you think the Turians and Salarians would have been okay with curing the Genophage if the Reaper threat was still publicly unconfirmed?

[o Ventus]

What part of that post read as "turning him/herself in"?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Robosexual wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Turn herself in for what? If the Alliance had no evidence why turn herself in. Hackett said "when the Alliance calls." I don't remember the Alliance calling. The only thing Hackett said was "I don't think this is a Cerberus ship anymore." He didn't say it was an Alliance ship either.

You have been working with a known terrorist organization for about a year. Cerberus. Your reputation is thinner than it was two years ago because of that. So what are you going to expect if you walk into an Alliance Military base and confess to a capital offense just because you said you did it because the reapers are coming? A pat on the back?

No. You're going to get thrown in lock up, and you're going to get hung out to dry by Admiral Hackett who is going to disavow any knowledge of your action. Why do you think he didn't take that copy of your report?

No one is going to believe you about the reapers. You are simply going to be thrown in a cell as a terrorist. And you're going to sound like a madwoman screaming about the reapers until they land. You'd be better off just going to the Council and telling them you're done with that Cerberus business, that you took down the Collectors, and you want to go back to business as usual with them, and all Cerberus operatives are off your ship, and yeah, it needs a paint job.

"You're not a Spectre Shepard. You've even abandoned your own people and are working for a known terrorist organisation, you have no leeway or pull. We have no reason to even be having this discussion. Get out."

I guess you chose Udina for Councilor or killed the Council. I didn't kill the Council. They reinstated me. I made Anderson Councilor. He was still standing there after Arrival.

And if the Council says "Get out!" the Shadow Broker. I think the Shadow Broker could use an operative. Especially after I have Tali sweep the ship and remove all the listening devices. Don't worry about Kelly reporting back to TIM, she's paste.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

AlanC9 wrote...

No one is going to believe you about the reapers. You are simply going to be thrown in a cell as a terrorist. And you're going to sound like a madwoman screaming about the reapers until they land. You'd be better off just going to the Council and telling them you're done with that Cerberus business, that you took down the Collectors, and you want to go back to business as usual with them, and all Cerberus operatives are off your ship, and yeah, it needs a paint job.

So turning herself in to the Alliance = bad, turning herself in to the Council = good?

I think Shepard turning himself in at all was a bad idea and out of character for my Shepard. Not much I can do about it though. I just headcanon that he was arrested instead. 

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 26 juin 2013 - 02:11 .

[KiwiQuiche]

MegaSovereign wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I don't even know why Shepard goes to the Alliance; she's a Spectre, she only answers to the Council and they turn a blind-eye to her actions and Cerberus affiliation.

So basically Shepard is once again forced to be an utter moron due to plot movement.

I think Shepard would have a harder time trying to diplomatically unite every race if he was still wearing Cerberus colors. I don't think this is a great example of moronic railroading.

...hence why leaving Cerberus after giving TIM an FU then trying to sort everyone out rather than sitting around for six months until the Reapers show up to kill everyone.

Sure, he could try. A lot of the alliances were only made because the Reapers pushed their leaders to the wall. For example, do you think the Turians and Salarians would have been okay with curing the Genophage if the Reaper threat was still publicly unconfirmed?

You could still work though; many people believe Shepard, such as that Salarian spectre and other officals. Heck, you could even help broker peace between the Geth and Quarians rather than waiting for them to go stupid. Anything other than sitting for six months.

[MegaSovereign]

That's true. I never really liked the intro. It works for me because all my Shepards do Arrival, and keeping the Batarians placated is a good enough reason to lock them up.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 26 juin 2013 - 02:21 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

AlanC9 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Turn herself in for what? If the Alliance had no evidence why turn herself in. Hackett said "when the Alliance calls." I don't remember the Alliance calling.

That hapoened between ME2 and ME3' of course.

No one is going to believe you about the reapers. You are simply going to be thrown in a cell as a terrorist. And you're going to sound like a madwoman screaming about the reapers until they land. You'd be better off just going to the Council and telling them you're done with that Cerberus business, that you took down the Collectors, and you want to go back to business as usual with them, and all Cerberus operatives are off your ship, and yeah, it needs a paint job.

So turning herself in to the Alliance = bad, turning herself in to the Council = good?

Who said anything about turn herself in to the council. I'm talking about going back to work for the Council and getting a paycheck.

"I finished the assignment in the Terminus about the Collectors. I can fill out a report if you'd like. I'm done with that Cerberus stuff, and I'm glad to be away from that organization. I'm free and clear of them. Yeah, I did sort of steal their ship, but they're a terrorist organization so we can look at it as a sanction, right? It's not a Cerberus ship anymore, and it needs a paint job to get that logo removed. Anything pressing you'd like me to look into?"

This is not turning yourself in to the Council.

[KiwiQuiche]

MegaSovereign wrote...

That's true. I never really liked the intro. It works for me because all my Shepards do Arrival, and keeping the Batarians placated is a good enough reason to lock them up.

I never bought Arrival, which is why I'm miffed with it.

I never understood that reason though; it makes it seem like Hackett blabbed about what Shepard did or something, because I doubt the crew did and we are never told how the batarians/alliance found out.

[Clayless]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

You could still work though; many people believe Shepard, such as that Salarian spectre and other officals. Heck, you could even help broker peace between the Geth and Quarians rather than waiting for them to go stupid. Anything other than sitting for six months.

Work for who? The Council aren't going to help you because you turned down their Spectre status. They have literally no reason to work with Shepard, especially one who worked for a terrorist organisation and possibly blew up a mass relay whilst working for them.

Why would you negotiate peace between the Geth and Quarians? Tali was exciled and the Geth are murderous machines, the only one that didn't instantly try to murder you is in the posession of Cerberus.

So, work for who? Doing what?

[MegaSovereign]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

That's true. I never really liked the intro. It works for me because all my Shepards do Arrival, and keeping the Batarians placated is a good enough reason to lock them up.

I never bought Arrival, which is why I'm miffed with it.

I never understood that reason though; it makes it seem like Hackett blabbed about what Shepard did or something, because I doubt the crew did and we are never told how the batarians/alliance found out.

Well, the Batarians already knew about the Alliance team that was planning to ram an Asteriod to the relay. They had the situation under control until Shepard shows up.

[KiwiQuiche]

Robosexual wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

You could still work though; many people believe Shepard, such as that Salarian spectre and other officals. Heck, you could even help broker peace between the Geth and Quarians rather than waiting for them to go stupid. Anything other than sitting for six months.

Work for who? The Council aren't going to help you because you turned down their Spectre status. They have literally no reason to work with Shepard, especially one who worked for a terrorist organisation and possibly blew up a mass relay whilst working for them.

Why would you negotiate peace between the Geth and Quarians? Tali was exciled and the Geth are murderous machines, the only one that didn't instantly try to murder you is in the posession of Cerberus.

So, work for who? Doing what?

So your certain playthrough rules over all else?


Good to know.

[Clayless]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Work for who? The Council aren't going to help you because you turned down their Spectre status. They have literally no reason to work with Shepard, especially one who worked for a terrorist organisation and possibly blew up a mass relay whilst working for them.

Why would you negotiate peace between the Geth and Quarians? Tali was exciled and the Geth are murderous machines, the only one that didn't instantly try to murder you is in the posession of Cerberus.

So, work for who? Doing what?

So your certain playthrough rules over all else?

Good to know.

That's not an answer. You don't start up a game with it telling you that your playthrough doesn't count.

So work for who? Doing what?

Heck we can even scrap that "Tali being exciled" thing. The last time I saw Tali she was begging me not to give Veetor to Cerberus. Rumour has it she's dead, killed by the Geth on some planet somewhere.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I don't even know why Shepard goes to the Alliance; she's a Spectre, she only answers to the Council and they turn a blind-eye to her actions and Cerberus affiliation.

So basically Shepard is once again forced to be an utter moron due to plot movement.

I think Shepard would have a harder time trying to diplomatically unite every race if he was still wearing Cerberus colors. I don't think this is a great example of moronic railroading.

...hence why leaving Cerberus after giving TIM an FU then trying to sort everyone out rather than sitting around for six months until the Reapers show up to kill everyone.

Sure, he could try. A lot of the alliances were only made because the Reapers pushed their leaders to the wall. For example, do you think the Turians and Salarians would have been okay with curing the Genophage if the Reaper threat was still publicly unconfirmed?

You could still work though; many people believe Shepard, such as that Salarian spectre and other officals. Heck, you could even help broker peace between the Geth and Quarians rather than waiting for them to go stupid. Anything other than sitting for six months.

^^^^ This would be huge. Forget what I wrote earlier.

In fact, I think I'd try to find the Migrant Fleet and see if I could begin brokering peace between the two. I mean come on, the Geth don't need the entire planet. There are only 17 million Quarians which is about two major cities worth these days on Earth. So let's broker a peace where the Quarians can settle say on the Southern Continent where they can grow food, and so they have to break down their live ships.

And let's get the Geth to speed up their process of building that superstructure and finish that. It's not going to block out the sun, and that thing can help defend the system when it is completed. Heck who knows what it can do when it is completed? They might not even need ships when it is done. They don't need any stupid reaper code. Build their own future. Geth means "servant of the people" in Quarian. When they finish they may keep a watchful eye over their creators to make sure they're safe. The Geth are going to be too powerful for anyone to take out.

But this would destroy Walter's Red/Blue/or Green ending because I think the superstructure would be more powerful than the Reaper AI.

[KiwiQuiche]

Robosexual wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Work for who? The Council aren't going to help you because you turned down their Spectre status. They have literally no reason to work with Shepard, especially one who worked for a terrorist organisation and possibly blew up a mass relay whilst working for them.

Why would you negotiate peace between the Geth and Quarians? Tali was exciled and the Geth are murderous machines, the only one that didn't instantly try to murder you is in the posession of Cerberus.

So, work for who? Doing what?

So your certain playthrough rules over all else?

Good to know.

That's not an answer. You don't start up a game with it telling you that your playthrough doesn't count.

So work for who? Doing what?

Heck we can even scrap that "Tali being exciled" thing. The last time I saw Tali she was begging me not to give Veetor to Cerberus. Rumour has it she's dead, killed by the Geth on some planet somewhere.

Oh yes it is, considering the way you are behaving.

I already put down a few examples, which you ignored in favour of your opinion.

What the hell are you going on about?

[KiwiQuiche]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...


Sure, he could try. A lot of the alliances were only made because the Reapers pushed their leaders to the wall. For example, do you think the Turians and Salarians would have been okay with curing the Genophage if the Reaper threat was still publicly unconfirmed?

You could still work though; many people believe Shepard, such as that Salarian spectre and other officals. Heck, you could even help broker peace between the Geth and Quarians rather than waiting for them to go stupid. Anything other than sitting for six months.

^^^^ This would be huge. Forget what I wrote earlier.

In fact, I think I'd try to find the Migrant Fleet and see if I could begin brokering peace between the two. I mean come on, the Geth don't need the entire planet. There are only 17 million Quarians which is about two major cities worth these days on Earth. So let's broker a peace where the Quarians can settle say on the Southern Continent where they can grow food, and so they have to break down their live ships.

And let's get the Geth to speed up their process of building that superstructure and finish that. It's not going to block out the sun, and that thing can help defend the system when it is completed. Heck who knows what it can do when it is completed? They might not even need ships when it is done. They don't need any stupid reaper code. Build their own future. Geth means "servant of the people" in Quarian. When they finish they may keep a watchful eye over their creators to make sure they're safe. The Geth are going to be too powerful for anyone to take out.

But this would destroy Walter's Red/Blue/or Green ending because I think the superstructure would be more powerful than the Reaper AI.

While I disagree with the "geth kept under watch by quarians" part, I agree with the rest of Julia's post.

But yeah, instead Legion and the geth's moral "make our own path" gets butchered and all of  the quarians get turned into morons to make the Rannoch arc.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Kiwi, you misread. The Geth keep a watchful eye over their creators.

[KiwiQuiche]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Kiwi, you misread. The Geth keep a watchful eye over their creators.

Ah crap, my bad. Then I agree with you on all points.

[Clayless]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Oh yes it is, considering the way you are behaving.

I already put down a few examples, which you ignored in favour of your opinion.

What the hell are you going on about?

That's not an opinion. Bioware have never pretended that they were going to be able to make completely different games (they've even said it wasn't possible) and the technology (2 DVD's and an Xbox 360) also wouldn't be able to handle that. And stating what can happen in playthroughs also isn't an opinion.

So no, it's not an answer, nor is it an opinion. Who would Shepard work with? I don't remember Valern saying he believed Shepard, but that makes no difference cause he's dead. Shepard also isn't even a Spectre, they have no reason to work with him whatsoever.

It's not the Quarians. If they didn't shoot a Cerberus ship approaching them on sight why on earth would they believe that the occupants want to help them take back their home planet? Why would Shepard want to do that? He hasn't seen Tali since he told her that he's handing Veetor over to Cerberus, and she's dead, and he supposed to be preparing for the Reapers not helping the Quarians wipe out the Geth and weaken themselves right on the eve of their arrival, in a battle that they probably wouldn't win otherwise they would've done it 300 years ago. And that's if he's even allowed on board because of, you know, Cerberus ship.

So who would he work with? Doing what?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Kiwi, you misread. The Geth keep a watchful eye over their creators.

Ah crap, my bad. Then I agree with you on all points.

I know we went back and forth in another thread, but what I just wrote is the way my FF goes. I just haven't posted it yet.

[KiwiQuiche]

Robosexual wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Oh yes it is, considering the way you are behaving.

I already put down a few examples, which you ignored in favour of your opinion.

What the hell are you going on about?

That's not an opinion. Bioware have never pretended that they were going to be able to make completely different games (they've even said it wasn't possible) and the technology (2 DVD's and an Xbox 360) also wouldn't be able to handle that. And stating what can happen in playthroughs also isn't an opinion.

So no, it's not an answer, nor is it an opinion. Who would Shepard work with? I don't remember Valern saying he believed Shepard, but that makes no difference cause he's dead. Shepard also isn't even a Spectre, they have no reason to work with him whatsoever.

It's not the Quarians. If they didn't shoot a Cerberus ship approaching them on sight why on earth would they believe that the occupants want to help them take back their home planet? Why would Shepard want to do that? He hasn't seen Tali since he told her that he's handing Veetor over to Cerberus, and she's dead, and he supposed to be preparing for the Reapers not helping the Quarians wipe out the Geth and weaken themselves right on the eve of their arrival, in a battle that they probably wouldn't win otherwise they would've done it 300 years ago. And that's if he's even allowed on board because of, you know, Cerberus ship.

So who would he work with? Doing what?

I stated what can happen in my playthrough, yet you instantly rebuked it with your playthrough as if it made mine invalid.

She is a Spectre if you get her reinstated.

'Cause Tali is on the ship and they didn't fire on it in her LM so that assumption is false? Tali isn't dead in my playthrough, neither is Legion. Make these two the ambassadors for their race in discussing peace. Shepard would make peace to keep full-strength army of the two, not wipe out the geth.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Kiwi, you misread. The Geth keep a watchful eye over their creators.

Ah crap, my bad. Then I agree with you on all points.

I
know we went back and forth in another thread, but what I just wrote is
the way my FF goes. I just haven't posted it yet.

That moment when FF is better than canon writing.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 26 juin 2013 - 03:00 .

[Clayless]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I stated what can happen in my playthrough, yet you instantly rebuked it with your playthrough as if it made mine invalid.

She is a Spectre if you get her reinstated.

'Cause Tali is on the ship and they didn't fire on it in her LM so that assumption is false? Tali isn't dead in my playthrough, neither is Legion. Make these two the ambassadors for their race in discussing peace. Shepard would make peace to keep full-strength army of the two, not wipe out the geth.

The fact that Bioware can't make hundreds of completely different games makes it invalid.

You're talking about "moronic railroading", so solve the situation. Shepard can't work for the council or the Quarians for all those reasons listed, so he needs something to do in everyone's playthroughs.

What is it?

[KiwiQuiche]

Robosexual wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I stated what can happen in my playthrough, yet you instantly rebuked it with your playthrough as if it made mine invalid.

She is a Spectre if you get her reinstated.

'Cause Tali is on the ship and they didn't fire on it in her LM so that assumption is false? Tali isn't dead in my playthrough, neither is Legion. Make these two the ambassadors for their race in discussing peace. Shepard would make peace to keep full-strength army of the two, not wipe out the geth.

The fact that Bioware can't make hundreds of completely different games makes it invalid.

You're talking about "moronic railroading", so solve the situation. Shepard can't work for the council or the Quarians for all those reasons listed, so he needs something to do in everyone's playthroughs.

What is it?

The fact you are behaving as if your way is the only way makes it invalid.

What reasons? The ones that don't work that you listed for reasons I explained? Or are you still going on about the Spectre thing?

What is what?

[Clayless]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

The fact that Bioware can't make hundreds of completely different games makes it invalid.

You're talking about "moronic railroading", so solve the situation. Shepard can't work for the council or the Quarians for all those reasons listed, so he needs something to do in everyone's playthroughs.

What is it?

The fact you are behaving as if your way is the only way makes it invalid.

What reasons? The ones that don't work that you listed for reasons I explained? Or are you still going on about the Spectre thing?

What is what?

Wait, you're saying that your playthrough makes my playthrough invalid, therefore it would be less moronic to not only downright ignore other playthroughs that aren't yours, but to even create situations and options that aren't present so all other playthroughs start the same as yours?

That's what you're saying? My playthrough doesn't make yours invalid, therefore Bioware should have only made a game based around your choices? That, in your eyes, wouldn't be "moronic railroading" despite it being objectively greater railroading for everyone that isn't you?