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[MassivelyEffective0730]

Robosexual wrote...

Mordanticus wrote...

This is only partially true.. Of course there were a truckload of fans doing exactly as you say.. Throwing insults, threats, and foaming at the mouth.. But there were a large number of us who were quite rational right from the beginning of the whole mess.. I remember my own (as well as so many other's empassioned posts) on the subject back then.. Literally in shock and just trying to get a sympathetic ear from Bioware to listen to what we felt..

This is an assumption but, by the looks of your signature, you're part of the Retake movement.

The Retake movement were by far the worst bunch of the lot, and what you're saying is you willingly stand beside them. If you stand with those people don't be surprised when you all get tarred with the same brush.

I'm a member of the Retake movement as well and I rather resent that over-generalization. It simply isn't true.

[Eterna]

spirosz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I find it weird how the Last of us has an ending that is arguably worse than ME3's 

What. 

I didn't mean worse as in the ending is bad, I meant worse in the outcome of Joels choice and how it portrays him. The last of us didn't have a bad ending.

[Cainhurst Crow]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Mordanticus wrote...

This is only partially true.. Of course there were a truckload of fans doing exactly as you say.. Throwing insults, threats, and foaming at the mouth.. But there were a large number of us who were quite rational right from the beginning of the whole mess.. I remember my own (as well as so many other's empassioned posts) on the subject back then.. Literally in shock and just trying to get a sympathetic ear from Bioware to listen to what we felt..

This is an assumption but, by the looks of your signature, you're part of the Retake movement.

The Retake movement were by far the worst bunch of the lot, and what you're saying is you willingly stand beside them. If you stand with those people don't be surprised when you all get tarred with the same brush.

I'm a member of the Retake movement as well and I rather resent that over-generalization. It simply isn't true.

I worked with the founder and leader of the hold the wallet group to help start them up, back when I had my old account, and I can attest that they were pretty damn angry and pretty damn bad.

I feel that a lot of these groups had much more bad fans in them than they did good fans, from personal experience at least.

[Clayless]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

This is an assumption but, by the looks of your signature, you're part of the Retake movement.

The Retake movement were by far the worst bunch of the lot, and what you're saying is you willingly stand beside them. If you stand with those people don't be surprised when you all get tarred with the same brush.

I'm a member of the Retake movement as well and I rather resent that over-generalization. It simply isn't true.

Which part of it isn't true? The Retake movement being the worst of the bunch?

[spirosz]

Eterna5 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I find it weird how the Last of us has an ending that is arguably worse than ME3's 

What. 

I didn't mean worse as in the ending is bad, I meant worse in the outcome of Joels choice and how it portrays him. The last of us didn't have a bad ending.

Try to communicate that clearier next time, lol. 

[KiwiQuiche]

Robosexual wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

But you would figure them, being a company and using PR, would know insulting fans back don't help. Which it didn't.

By this do you mean that Bioware insulted the fans back?

If so, could you post a source for this?

Just read any of their PR in the first backlash- they are all fairly passive-aggressive  and a lot of fans noticed and did not appreciate it. Neither did they like the rest of the comments about how we didn't understand the endings.

[KiwiQuiche]

Eterna5 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I find it weird how the Last of us has an ending that is arguably worse than ME3's 

What. 

I didn't mean worse as in the ending is bad, I meant worse in the outcome of Joels choice and how it portrays him. The last of us didn't have a bad ending.

Joel is an established character who we cannot directly influence, change or speak through. Shepard is the players avatar. The fact you are comparing those two on the same level in terms of choice and portrayal says a lot.

[Clayless]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

By this do you mean that Bioware insulted the fans back?

If so, could you post a source for this?

Just read any of their PR in the first backlash- they are all fairly passive-aggressive  and a lot of fans noticed and did not appreciate it. Neither did they like the rest of the comments about how we didn't understand the endings.

So what you're saying is you have no source apart from your imagination.

That's what I thought.

[in it for the lolz]

When I was half way into the last mission.

[JonathonPR]

When I found out that the released ending was worse than what was in the script. IT was entertaining but EC put an end to that since then I have not been able to play through any of the games. I am a story and setting persion so my hope is that Bioware will go back to the first and true Mass Effect.

[Iakus]

Robosexual wrote...

So what you're saying is you have no source apart from your imagination.

That's what I thought.

SO BE IT!

[Clayless]

iakus wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

So what you're saying is you have no source apart from your imagination.

That's what I thought.

SO BE IT!

The Refuse ending leading to destruction is an insult, despite the fact there were many threads asking for that exact thing before the EC?

You can imagine that as being an insult if you wanted to I guess. Wouldn't make it an insult though.

[IanPolaris]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

When I first finished the game, saw the fallout and the subsequent PR responses. It was obvious they weren't going to fix it, and EC proved me right.

This.  When a major corporation digs in and antangonises it's own fans the way that EA/BW did right after the release with it's PR, and especially when the head of BW says that the "artistic vision" of the writers will be respected, then you know that the heels have been officially dug in and no meaningful change is forthcoming.

Once Bioware went on the "it's not us; you just don't 'get' our endings" tack with it's own customers, it was all over, because to actually change the endings after that point would be to admit error, and major corporations don't do that.

-Polaris

[Astartes Marine]

Eterna5 wrote...
I've never discussed Bioshock Infinite on these boards. 

Err, yes it seems I was mistaken.  My apologies.

Eterna5 wrote...
Also sorry for spoiling it, I didn't really mean to get into it.

OH I know the feeling, just for the future, a fair warning would be nice.

[ShadowLordXII]

brettc893 wrote...

 By redeeming I mean, all of the brilliant fan theories that would have made everything better ending up wrong, a grand expansion never coming, things of that nature.

I'm gonna have to go with as soon as Omega came out.  

When Bioware choose to take the "Clarity and Closure" route instead of simply removing the Star-Child altogether.

Regardless of how good the EC was for what it was, the Star-Child's continued existence still taints the entire lore.  Especially since the brat's presence contradicts and invalidates the main plot of ME1.

Modifié par ShadowLordXII, 24 juin 2013 - 01:37 .

[Iakus]

Robosexual wrote...


The Refuse ending leading to destruction is an insult, despite the fact there were many threads asking for that exact thing before the EC?

Yes.  Because people were not asking for a suicide option, but to stand or fall based on the galaxy we spent the whole freaking game to unite.

What we got instead was "Don't like our endings?  Fine.  Rocks fall, everyone dies.  I'm taking my ball and going home"

You can imagine that as being an insult if you wanted to I guess. Wouldn't make it an insult though.

The destination is still part of the journey.

[Clayless]

iakus wrote...

Yes.  Because people were not asking for a suicide option, but to stand or fall based on the galaxy we spent the whole freaking game to unite.

What we got instead was "Don't like our endings?  Fine.  Rocks fall, everyone dies.  I'm taking my ball and going home"

No, some people were, others were asking for a refuse option that led to destruction.

Bioware listened to fans and made a refuse option that led to destruction. Imagining that as an insult doesn't make it so.

Modifié par Robosexual, 24 juin 2013 - 01:42 .

[Iakus]

Robosexual wrote...

No, some people were, others were asking for a refuse option that led to destruction.

Bioware listened to fans and made a refuse option that led to destruction. Imagining that as an insult doesn't make it so.

So they only listened to fans who went along with what Bioware wanted anyway.

Gotcha.

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...


Yes.  Because people were not asking for a suicide option, but to stand or fall based on the galaxy we spent the whole freaking game to unite.

What we got instead was "Don't like our endings?  Fine.  Rocks fall, everyone dies.  I'm taking my ball and going home"

Would you really prefer to see the rocks falling?

Because BioWare weren't interested in channeling Babylon 5's handling of the Shadow War in that scenario. 

[Maxster_]

Somewhere in-between release and the EC. Shortly after i finally finished ME3. And after reading about fanrage and EA reaction.

[Iakus]

dreamgazer wrote...


Would you really prefer to see the rocks falling?

I didn't see them, but I heard them in my head during that scene.

Because BioWare weren't interested in channeling Babylon 5's handling of the Shadow War in that scenario. 

::insert Deus Ex comment here::

[jtav]

People begged for a refuse option that led to defeat. It was a matter of role-playing, not success or failure. The game as a whole would have to be redone to make a conventional victory work. You spend the entire game gathering resources fir the Crucible and a not-inconsiderable percentage of your assets are related to the Crucible.

[KiwiQuiche]

Robosexual wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

By this do you mean that Bioware insulted the fans back?

If so, could you post a source for this?

Just read any of their PR in the first backlash- they are all fairly passive-aggressive  and a lot of fans noticed and did not appreciate it. Neither did they like the rest of the comments about how we didn't understand the endings.

So what you're saying is you have no source apart from your imagination.

That's what I thought.

I am not your mother so do your own research.

But hey, assume away like you know all.