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[The Elder King]

@EJ107: that's assuming that Iron Bull has the same backstory he had in the survey. Where, by the way, he was the leader of a mercenary group, not a single mercenary.

Modifié par hhh89, 23 février 2014 - 01:29 .

[Ianamus]

hhh89 wrote...

@EJ107: that's assuming that Iron Bull has the same backstory he had in the survey. Where, by the way, he was the leader of a mercenary group, not a single mercenary.

That's true, but I still don't see why a mercenary leader would get as much exposure in the trailer as Morrigan, a fan favourite from a Origins, and Cassandra and Varric unless he was a companion. 

Considering we'll be dealing with NPC's like the empress of Orlais I don't see what possible role he could have to warrant the screen time outside of being a companion. Plus we didn't have a Qunari companion in the last game, so it's likely that we'll have at least one in Inquisition. 

Overall everything seems to point to him being a companion. 

[Danny Boy 7]

Xilizhra wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@Xilizhra: it depends. The Chantry and the templars are different organizations now. It'd make sense to have two different characters to express their viewpoint. Plus, the game might have a rapresentative from Tevinter.

In the same way that Fenris was a representative from Tevinter? Dorian seems to have no love for the place. In any case, not only does Cassandra have the "holy warrior" niche covered in the party already, but any theoretical heroic templars will almost certainly remain loyal to the Chantry.

That's a little inaccurate though. Dorian's blurb made it out that he wanted to reform his country not see it burnt down to the ground. Even if he just wants to abolish slavery in Tevinter that doesn't mean he hates it as it is the way Fenris does.

As for the Holy Warrior thing I'd say that Cassandra certainly fills in the Chantry/Divine supporter, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she's Pro-Templar or that any theoretical heroic Templars wouldn't offer a different viewpoint in the same way that Anders/Merrill did on magic, spirits and plenty of other things.

[KC_Prototype]

G. Recruit wrote...

This has been talked about before I know but I gotta ask again. Why is it that Cassandra is not leading the Inquisition?

Her credentials are obivious:

1. She is the right hand of the Divine and a seeker of high rank.

2. She is the hero of Orlais.

3. She's a heck of a warrior and capable of killing dragons. Hence number four.

4. Her last name is Pentaghast. Not only are they the royal family of Nevarra who happen to have a genetic aptitude for strategy and tactics but also renowned dragon hunters. Heck before the dragon age the people of Thedas thought they were extinct.

Now David Gaider has said that the game's story will touch on this. This is one of the many reason why i am excited for this game.

Now if only we had a release date.

Why? Because we are the INQUISITOR! We lead the Inquisition.

[Xilizhra]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@Xilizhra: it depends. The Chantry and the templars are different organizations now. It'd make sense to have two different characters to express their viewpoint. Plus, the game might have a rapresentative from Tevinter.

In the same way that Fenris was a representative from Tevinter? Dorian seems to have no love for the place. In any case, not only does Cassandra have the "holy warrior" niche covered in the party already, but any theoretical heroic templars will almost certainly remain loyal to the Chantry.

That's a little inaccurate though. Dorian's blurb made it out that he wanted to reform his country not see it burnt down to the ground. Even if he just wants to abolish slavery in Tevinter that doesn't mean he hates it as it is the way Fenris does.

As for the Holy Warrior thing I'd say that Cassandra certainly fills in the Chantry/Divine supporter, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she's Pro-Templar or that any theoretical heroic Templars wouldn't offer a different viewpoint in the same way that Anders/Merrill did on magic, spirits and plenty of other things.

All right, but you can't really call it "pro-Tevinter" if he wants to abolish some of the things the place was fundamentally built on.

And Merrill and Anders, aside from the fact that they both were mages, had literally nothing in common in their backstory; she was a Dalish First, he was a human Circle mage. They're as different as Sten and Alistair in their origins, and you wouldn't expect them to have many commonalities based solely on being warriors. Whereas the difference between a Seeker and a templar is comparatively small, since Seekers are basically templar internal affairs.

[Danny Boy 7]

Xilizhra wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@Xilizhra: it depends. The Chantry and the templars are different organizations now. It'd make sense to have two different characters to express their viewpoint. Plus, the game might have a rapresentative from Tevinter.

In the same way that Fenris was a representative from Tevinter? Dorian seems to have no love for the place. In any case, not only does Cassandra have the "holy warrior" niche covered in the party already, but any theoretical heroic templars will almost certainly remain loyal to the Chantry.

That's a little inaccurate though. Dorian's blurb made it out that he wanted to reform his country not see it burnt down to the ground. Even if he just wants to abolish slavery in Tevinter that doesn't mean he hates it as it is the way Fenris does.

As for the Holy Warrior thing I'd say that Cassandra certainly fills in the Chantry/Divine supporter, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she's Pro-Templar or that any theoretical heroic Templars wouldn't offer a different viewpoint in the same way that Anders/Merrill did on magic, spirits and plenty of other things.

All right, but you can't really call it "pro-Tevinter" if he wants to abolish some of the things the place was fundamentally built on.

And Merrill and Anders, aside from the fact that they both were mages, had literally nothing in common in their backstory; she was a Dalish First, he was a human Circle mage. They're as different as Sten and Alistair in their origins, and you wouldn't expect them to have many commonalities based solely on being warriors. Whereas the difference between a Seeker and a templar is comparatively small, since Seekers are basically templar internal affairs.

I dunno, he's certainly not Anti-Tevinter or Pro-Qunari (though that's total speculation), I'd say he's proabably Pro-Mage, Anti-Circle, Anti-Templar and so on. But I'll concede that he's not pro-Corruption Tevinter since I suppose to be pro-Tevinter you have to be kind of like the opposite of Fenris. I reserve the right to change my opinion once we know more

Well tbh we don't know much of Cullen's backstory, but I'll get back to that in a second. The reason I grouped Merrill and Anders together is because they do share similar connections. Both are apostates who've dabbled with Spirits, both are certainly anti-circle and both are relatively isolated from their respective "clans". But you're definitely right, their cultural background/racial backgrounds do vary them enough to make the comparison a bit of a stretch.

Hmm, I guess it'd be better to compare say Velanna and Merrill or maybe Zevran and Isabela. These two pairs have similar-ish backgrounds or personalities and in a party together could still provide vastly different opinions.

As for Cullen we could find out that he's VERY different from Cassandra, maybe she's ends justifies the means and he's just not (or vice versa). Maybe Cassandra thinks that the mages should be free or at least have more freedom, but Cullen doesn't. I'd have to see more of what the devs are thinking, but I don't think it's a stretch to think that they could provide VERY different viewpoints. That said although I would love to have Cullen, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't include him (although I really do think they will and that he will be very different from Cassandra,)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

As for Cullen we could find out that he's VERY different from Cassandra, maybe she's ends justifies the means and he's just not (or vice versa). Maybe Cassandra thinks that the mages should be free or at least have more freedom, but Cullen doesn't. I'd have to see more of what the devs are thinking, but I don't think it's a stretch to think that they could provide VERY different viewpoints. That said although I would love to have Cullen, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't include him (although I really do think they will and that he will be very different from Cassandra,)

Seeing his viewpoints on the Circles and the various issues with it, I'd say Cullen would be the "ends justifies the means" of the two. 

I have to say, I can go either way with Cullen. There's people I'd prefer to take up a slot, but he does have the Templar views for the party and there are definitely worse people to take the slot. It could be like:

Vivienne=Mages
Cullen=Templars
Cassandra=Chantry

The three sides of the Mage-Templar War.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 24 février 2014 - 09:07 .

[Danny Boy 7]

G. Recruit wrote...

This has been talked about before I know but I gotta ask again. Why is it that Cassandra is not leading the Inquisition?

Her credentials are obivious:

1. She is the right hand of the Divine and a seeker of high rank.

2. She is the hero of Orlais.

3. She's a heck of a warrior and capable of killing dragons. Hence number four.

4. Her last name is Pentaghast. Not only are they the royal family of Nevarra who happen to have a genetic aptitude for strategy and tactics but also renowned dragon hunters. Heck before the dragon age the people of Thedas thought they were extinct.

Now David Gaider has said that the game's story will touch on this. This is one of the many reason why i am excited for this game.

Now if only we had a release date.

So to answer this keep in mind that I'm only speculating and that I think that the Inquisition is supposed to be impartial or at the very least somewhat neutral. That doesn't mean I think we won't have some form of Chantry or rather the Divine's blessing, backup, working off her plan whatever or that we won't be able to take a side at some time against other parties, just that our primary purpose is involved with the Veil Tears.

1. This is probably her biggest flaw. If the Inquisition needs to be heard by everyone then a member of one of the most controversial parties in the Dragon Age world is probably going to be seen as a threat rather than a potential ally. Not to mention that the Templars probably don't like the Seekers (if the anime was any indicator) and that the Divine isn't very popular right now and you have the makings of a poor choice for leader.

2. In Orlais this is great, Ferelden...probably not doing backflips for a national hero of their greatest political rival (Orlais) trying to tell them what to do. A commoner might be able to get away with it, but not the "Hero of Orlais".

3. She is a very powerful warrior, skilled in taking out dragons too not necessarily something that screams great leadership. It doesn't take away anything, but her abilities in war aren't being inspected.

4. I don't know if Cassandra's family has a genetic advantage in strategy or tactics, a culture that praises the best dragon hunters who must be skillful simply due to their prey, sure, but not like a hereditary advantage. The books may say otherwise. As for her family, Nevarra has actually been at war with Orlais so it might be better not having Cassandra at the head of the order.

To conclude, I agree that Cassandra is an awesome Warrior and certainly a great candidate for leadership, but she's not really marketable given all the barriers she would have to overcome to achieve her goals.

[Xilizhra]

Hmm, I guess it'd be better to compare say Velanna and Merrill or maybe Zevran and Isabela. These two pairs have similar-ish backgrounds or personalities and in a party together could still provide vastly different opinions.

Right, but neither of those pairs are in the same game as companions.

As for Cullen we could find out that he's VERY different from Cassandra, maybe she's ends justifies the means and he's just not (or vice versa). Maybe Cassandra thinks that the mages should be free or at least have more freedom, but Cullen doesn't. I'd have to see more of what the devs are thinking, but I don't think it's a stretch to think that they could provide VERY different viewpoints. That said although I would love to have Cullen, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't include him (although I really do think they will and that he will be very different from Cassandra,)

It feels to me like more a matter of thematics; Bioware never really doubles up on character archetypes, and the closest they've come to that, Ashley/Kaidan from ME1, at least had both of them be completely different classes. Cullen's archetype is just too close to Cassandra's.

[Mistic]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

1. This is probably her biggest flaw. If the Inquisition needs to be heard by everyone then a member of one of the most controversial parties in the Dragon Age world is probably going to be seen as a threat rather than a potential ally. Not to mention that the Templars probably don't like the Seekers (if the anime was any indicator) and that the Divine isn't very popular right now and you have the makings of a poor choice for leader.

Look at it from this point of view: Cassandra is the right hand of the most influential religious leader in the world. Orlais, Ferelden, Nevarra, the Free Marches, the Anderfels and Antiva, all of them had the White Chantry as their official religion. Remember that the Inquisition's goal is not to make Templars and Mages be friends again, but to save the world from the Veil Tears.

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

2. In Orlais this is great, Ferelden...probably not doing backflips for a national hero of their greatest political rival (Orlais) trying to tell them what to do. A commoner might be able to get away with it, but not the "Hero of Orlais".

Orlais is still the most powerful country in Thedas. Who cares about Ferelden, a country that hasn't played big international politcs before and is recovering from a Blight? Of course, conveniently for story drama, Orlais is now divided by a civil war, so their chevaliers are too busy to help. In fact, having a common hero leading the Inquisition could help a lot.

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

3. She is a very powerful warrior, skilled in taking out dragons too not necessarily something that screams great leadership. It doesn't take away anything, but her abilities in war aren't being inspected.

She's probably the highest-ranking member of the loyal Seekers now, and she has the experience. It's highly unlikely that the Inquisitor will be able to match her 18 years of experience in this "secret-organization-to-save-the-world-from-magic-threats" thing.

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

4. I don't know if Cassandra's family has a genetic advantage in strategy or tactics, a culture that praises the best dragon hunters who must be skillful simply due to their prey, sure, but not like a hereditary advantage. The books may say otherwise. As for her family, Nevarra has actually been at war with Orlais so it might be better not having Cassandra at the head of the order.

Yes, Nevarra has been an enemy of Orlais in the past, so who would be better to unite the old rivals against a common foe than the Hero of Orlais who is also a relative of the Nevarran ruling dynasty?

The main reason Cassandra is not fit to be the leader is her character. She's ready to attack, but not to plan, and although we know she has a hidden heart of gold, she seems too strict to compromise and make deals.

[Hekate]

Ok! First post here since the forum changeover, been a long time.

 

And I just want to say I'm loving Cassandra, and if she's a ss li I will so romance her with my Qunari Inquisiter. Kinda like in this pic here.

 

 

Also, on the age front, y'know in DOTS she could of been 13 for all we know. Don't forget, in fantasy things age tends to get stretched. Just look at examples like POTC series, Elizabeth Swans 16 in that. And Star Wars The Phantom Menace, Padme's like 14 in that, certainly doesn't look it. So you never know with her age.

[TheLittleBird]

Also, on the age front, y'know in DOTS she could of been 13 for all we know. Don't forget, in fantasy things age tends to get stretched. Just look at examples like POTC series, Elizabeth Swans 16 in that. And Star Wars The Phantom Menace, Padme's like 14 in that, certainly doesn't look it. So you never know with her age.

 

Well Cassandra looked something like 16-18 in Dawn of the Seeker, which took place in 9:22 whereas the Blight only took place in 9:31 and Inquisition takes place 10 years after the end of the Blight.

[Artemis Leonhart]

Ok! First post here since the forum changeover, been a long time.

 

And I just want to say I'm loving Cassandra, and if she's a ss li I will so romance her with my Qunari Inquisiter. Kinda like in this pic here.

 

 

Also, on the age front, y'know in DOTS she could of been 13 for all we know. Don't forget, in fantasy things age tends to get stretched. Just look at examples like POTC series, Elizabeth Swans 16 in that. And Star Wars The Phantom Menace, Padme's like 14 in that, certainly doesn't look it. So you never know with her age.

Oh my.
I'm going to be really sad if Cass isn't a romance option...it would be like Aveline all over again.

[Arcanis]

Well, I'm always happy if a BioWare LI hasn't got any elven blood in her =P

 

But seriously, I want Cass as a LI, she is awesome *_*

I'm really looking forward to have a girl that protects her love because s/he is

is the weaker one.. that would be a nice change =)

[Arcanis]

I'm here to say nothing other than this.

 

Who do you think would win in a fight? Kyou or that Gang Leader Ogazaki fought?

Botan hands down u_u

My money would be on Kyou - but it is ages since I played it (the original VN, never watched the anime =P)

[Hekate]

Well Cassandra looked something like 16-18 in Dawn of the Seeker, which took place in 9:22 whereas the Blight only took place in 9:31 and Inquisition takes place 10 years after the end of the Blight.

I'm not saying about how old she looked though, she looked 16-18 yes, but this is fantasy, doesn't mean she is 16-18. Like I said, in the phantom menace Padme was 14. Well, she certainly didn't look it.

[TheLittleBird]

I'm not saying about how old she looked though, she looked 16-18 yes, but this is fantasy, doesn't mean she is 16-18. Like I said, in the phantom menace Padme was 14. Well, she certainly didn't look it.

 

Yeah but there's at least an 18 year gap between DotS and Inquisition, so she should be well over 25, 30 even.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm not saying about how old she looked though, she looked 16-18 yes, but this is fantasy, doesn't mean she is 16-18. Like I said, in the phantom menace Padme was 14. Well, she certainly didn't look it.

That is true. But considering how skilled she was in combat means she had at least years of training so she was at least in her mid to late teens. No older than 20 though. So whether she was 13 or 20 that still leaves her in her thirties now.

[Hekate]

Well yeah, I'm sure she is in her thirties now. I'm just saying, when you're dealing with fantasy there's no point at trying to place an age on someone young without confirmation, haha.

[Dr. Doctor]

Aimo drew a picture of Cassandra smiling:

Either someone's dying of a stab wound or Varric has been rendered speechless.

[Hekate]

Aimo drew a picture of Cassandra smiling:

Either someone's dying of a stab wound or Varric has been rendered speechless.

Oh man! I love this! I may have to change my avatar to this art, haha.

 

Speaking of Cassandra art though, I find it sad how little there is of her. I search through the Cassandra Pentaghast tag on tumblr and it's so short compared to some others I've roamed through.

[hotdogbsg]

Oh man! I love this! I may have to change my avatar to this art, haha.

 

Speaking of Cassandra art though, I find it sad how little there is of her. I search through the Cassandra Pentaghast tag on tumblr and it's so short compared to some others I've roamed through.

I'd say that'll change once the game comes out. In terms of what the majority of people have seen of her, she's had little more than a cameo role thus far.

 

Can't wait until that changes though

[Hekate]

To all Cassandra fans who frequent this thread, since this one was shunted into the DA2 forum after the restructuring, I opened a new Fan Thread in the DA:I forum, hope you visit, here's the link.

 

http://forum.bioware...d-doors-beware/