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[BouncyFrag]

Karlone123 wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

Now, and elf with a beard would be interesting, like Tanis Half-Elven. I could see that leading to some interesting banter, especially with a Dwarf companion thrown into the mix as well.

During banter the dwarf suggest adding braid to your beard to make it less sissy looking would leave me in stitches.

I'm not asking for Oghren to come back, but that would be amazing.

[MisanthropePrime]

DeadlyHaven wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...

DeadlyHaven wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

The offspring between humans and elves are born human. Alistair is one. So playing as a human is pretty much what we are getting anyway.

What? When was this said? I've heard people theorize this, but I thought so far it was still just speculation. 

It's heavily implied in Dragon Age: The Calling.

Yeah, I know. So it's speculation.
There's good arguments that Fiona is his mother, but there's also a lot of good arguments as to why people think she isn't his mother.

If there are any, other than "It's a red herring", I haven't heard them.
Then again, it's looking like Fiona is going to be a player in DA:I and/or the upcoming book, so I have faith that this may get resolved by then.

[The Night Haunter]

Just to note: Half-elves are essential 100% human. The offspring lose all elven traits when an elf mates with a human. So a 'half-elf' would be pretty much identical to a human protagonist, so this doesn't solve anything.

[Karlone123]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

Just to note: Half-elves are essential 100% human. The offspring lose all elven traits when an elf mates with a human. So a 'half-elf' would be pretty much identical to a human protagonist, so this doesn't solve anything.

I would think having that elven link could appease people who at least want elves to be an option, instead of being from an Human-only family. The protaganist may indeed be 100% Human they could still have that Elven link. I was slightly hoping that the Elven Mage Warden could have been a cousin of Hawke providing that link. You see where I'm getting at.

[In Exile]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

Just to note: Half-elves are essential 100% human. The offspring lose all elven traits when an elf mates with a human. So a 'half-elf' would be pretty much identical to a human protagonist, so this doesn't solve anything.

This isn't direct at you per se ghost messiah, but this is why I hate fantasy. The ideas about race are just so offensive. We have a society whose entire cultural evolution leads to the point where we no longer believe that "separate race" is somehow akin to being differnet species. But fantasy races are  all about this.

And DA elves have the unfortunate implication of interracial union = some kind of tainting. I'm sure this was totally an unintended implication on the part of the writers - it's IMO the fanbase that makes the implication so icky.

We could just as easily dismiss this "elven trait" thing as phenotypical bull****, since we don't have any in-game proof there's anything distinct or magical about elves other than the fact that they have pointy ears and are short. But significant part of the fanbase actually embraces a mentality that everything that matters is outward apperance.  

[Karlone123]

In Exile wrote...

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

Just to note: Half-elves are essential 100% human. The offspring lose all elven traits when an elf mates with a human. So a 'half-elf' would be pretty much identical to a human protagonist, so this doesn't solve anything.

This isn't direct at you per se ghost messiah, but this is why I hate fantasy. The ideas about race are just so offensive. We have a society whose entire cultural evolution leads to the point where we no longer believe that "separate race" is somehow akin to being differnet species. But fantasy races are  all about this.

And DA elves have the unfortunate implication of interracial union = some kind of tainting. I'm sure this was totally an unintended implication on the part of the writers - it's IMO the fanbase that makes the implication so icky.

We could just as easily dismiss this "elven trait" thing as phenotypical bull****, since we don't have any in-game proof there's anything distinct or magical about elves other than the fact that they have pointy ears and are short. But significant part of the fanbase actually embraces a mentality that everything that matters is outward apperance.  

The last paragraph you wrote is what I'm trying to get people to think about. I am a lot more interested in the protagonist being part of a cultural identiy conflict rather than just based upon appearence.

[In Exile]

Karlone123 wrote...
The last paragraph you wrote is what I'm trying to get people to think about. I am a lot more interested in the protagonist being part of a cultural identiy conflict rather than just based upon appearence.

I agree with you. I'd love a half-even protagonist, and I think the idea that he or she would identify far more with being elven, and as a result being rejected by both human and elves, is a really interesting story of identity to explore. 

But I don't think it will hold traction on the forum - the attitude I've seen here is, generally speaking, that you're not entitled to define your identitty for yourself, it's given to you via group membership (particularly with the elves). 

[The Night Haunter]

Karlone123 wrote...

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

Just to note: Half-elves are essential 100% human. The offspring lose all elven traits when an elf mates with a human. So a 'half-elf' would be pretty much identical to a human protagonist, so this doesn't solve anything.

I would think having that elven link could appease people who at least want elves to be an option, instead of being from an Human-only family. The protaganist may indeed be 100% Human they could still have that Elven link. I was slightly hoping that the Elven Mage Warden could have been a cousin of Hawke providing that link. You see where I'm getting at.

I suppose that actually could work. Especially as an 'Origin' option. Since your character is (to all outward appearances) human, he would have the same Voice Actor as standard human. He would just have some unique dialogue options. Getting offended at someone saying knife ears, etc. Providing a link to elves without actually playing a 100% elven character (and thus needing two more voice actors - one per gender - plus opening the door to 'if we have elves we should have dwarves too').

[coldSnap]

I know its fantasy and all but it really irks me that the writers decided to make human/elf hybrids basically 100% human. I mean that's not how genes work.

Does anyone know if two of these kind of people came together could they make an elf? As in the child basically got both of the parents Elvin recessive traits, they would then look (more or less) like an elf.

[In Exile]

KaidanLover wrote...

I know its fantasy and all but it really irks me that the writers decided to make human/elf hybrids basically 100% human. I mean that's not how genes work.

It's magical. Elves are "adaptive" somehow, and the child looks human. But since we have no actual lore-based reason to believe there's any real differnece between humans and elves besides apperance and elven beliefs about racial supremacy, there's no actual reason to see half-elves as humans other than racism. 

Does anyone know if two of these kind of people came together could they make an elf? As in the child basically got both of the parents Elvin recessive traits, they would then look (more or less) like an elf.

DG, again, confirmed it's magic and not genetics. 

[BlueMagitek]

Of course not, we don't want any traditional elf weakness on our new PCs. :/

[Angrywolves]

Supposedly Bioware has said in interviews that the protagonist is fully human . So you can forget that idea.

[Karlone123]

Angrywolves wrote...

Supposedly Bioware has said in interviews that the protagonist is fully human . So you can forget that idea.

Unfortunately, I will not.

[sandalisthemaker]

In Exile wrote...

KaidanLover wrote...

I know its fantasy and all but it really irks me that the writers decided to make human/elf hybrids basically 100% human. I mean that's not how genes work.

It's magical. Elves are "adaptive" somehow, and the child looks human. But since we have no actual lore-based reason to believe there's any real differnece between humans and elves besides apperance and elven beliefs about racial supremacy, there's no actual reason to see half-elves as humans other than racism. 

Does anyone know if two of these kind of people came together could they make an elf? As in the child basically got both of the parents Elvin recessive traits, they would then look (more or less) like an elf.

DG, again, confirmed it's magic and not genetics. 

This doesn't seem very "adaptive" to me.
Elves just seem to be very weak genetically.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Karlone123 wrote...

I just wanted to see if people would think being half-human half elven could be a good compromise if race selection is not available.

Sure, right up until the point the game tells you that your heritage is pure undiluted human.

No picking your parents or relatives, I guess.

Seriously though, if the game doesn't spell our your ancestry for you, I don't see why you couldn't be part elf, part dwarf, or part elf part dwarf part human part cheese wheel. Apparently you still look human, just shorter or more delicate, or carrying a pleasantly mature aroma.

[Angrywolves]

Isn't Allistair part elf ?

[VanguardCharge]

so your saying sandal will make a good pc?

[BlueMagitek]

Angrywolves wrote...

Isn't Allistair part elf ?

I believe it was implied that Fiora is not actually his mother and there is yet another bastard of Maric's running around.

[MisanthropePrime]

In Exile wrote...
And DA elves have the unfortunate
implication of interracial union = some kind of tainting. I'm sure this
was totally an unintended implication on the part of the writers - it's
IMO the fanbase that makes the implication so icky.

I think the "icky" implication is there deliberately to provide good narrative and drama. Part of the insular nature of city elves is due to the fear that, if elves start trying to blend in more with human societythe elven race will eventually be "bred out"- rhetoric that a lot of racial supremacists use in the real world. It doesn't make them right, but it does make for interesting story, and I can't see any problem with that as long as it's nuanced.

BlueMagitek wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Isn't Allistair part elf ?

I believe it was implied that Fiora is not actually his mother and there is yet another bastard of Maric's running around.

The implication I got was just the opposite: that Fiona's child is Alistair. Bear in mind Fiona made Duncan agree to watch over Alistair, which explains their close relationship.

Modifié par MisanthropePrime, 25 juin 2013 - 01:54 .

[Angrywolves]

interratial union between elf and human usually meant the human raped the elf, as we saw in the DAO city elf playthrough.
Not a good background for the child to come from.

[BlueMagitek]

~_~

It certainly didn't seem that way to me. Yeah, Vaughn was a rapist, but that doesn't make every Human/Elf union rape based.

[Karlone123]

Angrywolves wrote...

interratial union between elf and human usually meant the human raped the elf, as we saw in the DAO city elf playthrough.
Not a good background for the child to come from.

And the case in an elven male and human female?

[MisanthropePrime]

I just realized: are there any forms of contraception in Thedas? If so, are they available to all or just the upper class? Be they physical prophylactics (maybe made of animal parts), herbs (the Romans drove the Silphium plant to extinction because its seeds were abortifascient), alchemical cocktails, or magic. The fact that sleeping with Morrigan once as a male warden results in her being pregnant in the epilogue of DA:O leads me to believe they're either nonexistent or rare.