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[Eveangaline]

I'd love it as a possible origin. Like Feynriel, it could cause some issues for the main character, at least among those who know their ancestry.

[In Exile]

MisanthropePrime wrote...
I think the "icky" implication is there deliberately to provide good narrative and drama. Part of the insular nature of city elves is due to the fear that, if elves start trying to blend in more with human societythe elven race will eventually be "bred out"- rhetoric that a lot of racial supremacists use in the real world. It doesn't make them right, but it does make for interesting story, and I can't see any problem with that as long as it's nuanced.

No, I get that aspect of it, and I support it being in-story for the reasons you gave. But there are players, i.e., posters on this forum, who believe in and support the above underlined view, and disagree that it is racist supremacist rhetoric. That's what I was talking about as icky. 

Modifié par In Exile, 25 juin 2013 - 03:19 .

[MisanthropePrime]

Filament wrote...

It's not exactly the same considering elves have some kind of gene curse where mating with anyone else causes the baby to be not even "half-elf" anymore phenotypically speaking. So to equate it with the race genocide anti-miscegenation racists I'm not sure is entirely appropriate.

Do you need to have pale skin to be "white"? Do you need pointy ears to be "elven"? Basing something cultural on physical phenotypes is as backwards as phrenology.

[TEWR]

And why can't I have a half-human/half-dwarf protagonist?

[MisanthropePrime]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

And why can't I have a half-human/half-dwarf protagonist?

Because a half-dwarf is a distinct creature from a human with an elven parent. They're also apparently exceedingly rare for some reason, though you wouldn't think it from all the flirting Oghren and Varric do with human women.

[Nightdragon8]

Phoenixalex wrote...

No I want an elf, since half-human and elf would still be a human.

.... as far as i remember, half-elf/human is pretty much worse off than a full blood elf... considering humans will considering said person "an elf" and the Elfs wont treat them like normal.

Also I don't think an Inquisitor will get any respect if not a human, considering the racism in Theadias atm.

[Felya87]

I like the idea of a half elf/human character. I'd like it more if it have at least some little phisical trait different from Humans. maybe not full pointed ears, but at least bigger eyes or irises, a more spigolus face, or for male to not have facial hair. (Feinryel seems to not have any beard, but maybe it was because he was very young)
I still prefer a full Elf protagonist, but a half blood can be good all the same.

and I'm not against a half Dwarf.

[mousestalker]

There is an existing NPC who is half elven. He even mentions growing up in the Alienage, He doesn't even die at any point, although some DAO characters may have missed speaking with him by his nature.




I think it's awfully swell that some people want DAI to feature the return of Slim Couldry.

[KENNY4753]

So I was always an advocate for a Half-Elf PC.I would prefer to have the full Elf option but well you know how that ended up...

[Marvin_Arnold]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

DeadlyHaven wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

The offspring between humans and elves are born human. Alistair is one. So playing as a human is pretty much what we are getting anyway.

What? When was this said? I've heard people theorize this, but I thought so far it was still just speculation. 

It's heavily implied in Dragon Age: The Calling.

It's implied hat Maric and (elf) Fiona had a child. It's nowhere implied that this child is Alistair. Everything else is romantic wishful thinking.

Like every king, Maric probably has dozens of bastards scattered across Ferelden. Maybe Fiona's child will surface one day...

[Androme]

In Exile wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...
I think the "icky" implication is there deliberately to provide good narrative and drama. Part of the insular nature of city elves is due to the fear that, if elves start trying to blend in more with human societythe elven race will eventually be "bred out"- rhetoric that a lot of racial supremacists use in the real world. It doesn't make them right, but it does make for interesting story, and I can't see any problem with that as long as it's nuanced.

No, I get that aspect of it, and I support it being in-story for the reasons you gave. But there are players, i.e., posters on this forum, who believe in and support the above underlined view, and disagree that it is racist supremacist rhetoric. That's what I was talking about as icky. 

You guys are talking about races being outbred as if it were something unrealistic and non-existant. How can you be so naive and call people like us ''racial supremacists''? I'd love to know what's going through your heads.

Edit: If you had it your way, irl, you'd let the most evil of humans do whatever they want to anyone they want. You hate racism and genocide but people like you are the ones who would allow it to flourish.

Modifié par Androme, 26 juin 2013 - 12:16 .

[LobselVith8]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

Just to note: Half-elves are essential 100% human. The offspring lose all elven traits when an elf mates with a human. So a 'half-elf' would be pretty much identical to a human protagonist, so this doesn't solve anything.

I think that's part of the general idea. The protagonist would look human, but he could have an elven parent and have part of a culture that he could identify with, like how Feynriel embraced his Dalish heritage and religion despite being as human as his father.

There's likely some negative outlook about such unions in Thedas. As a player, I didn't have a problem with my Surana Warden getting into a romantic relationship with Morrigan, or with the idea of her having a son who would 'technically' be human. When my apostate Hawke was getting romantic with Merrill, she made a vague reference to children, but I still proceeded with the romance. I imagine that Merrill would tell her children about their Dalish heritage.

I think it was a missed opportunity for the player not to deal with how some people would react towards a noble like Hawke being with an elf, whether it was Merrill or Fenris. How would humans have reacted to Hawke moving Merrill into his mansion (which I think should have been shown, rather than written about in the codex)? How would elves in the Alienage react, perhaps varying depending on how the Champion dealt with the Magistrate's son Vanard? I'm curious as to whether this will be explored in Inquisition with the new protagonist, perhaps with any elven companion who might be a romantic interest.

[In Exile]

Androme wrote...
You guys are talking about races being outbred as if it were something unrealistic and non-existant. How can you be so naive and call people like us ''racial supremacists''? I'd love to know what's going through your heads.

The idea that physical apperance doesn't define what a group is, especially when the only evidence we have that there's any actual difference between groups is very dodgy and racist religious dogma? 

[Androme]

In Exile wrote...

Androme wrote...
You guys are talking about races being outbred as if it were something unrealistic and non-existant. How can you be so naive and call people like us ''racial supremacists''? I'd love to know what's going through your heads.

The idea that physical apperance doesn't define what a group is, especially when the only evidence we have that there's any actual difference between groups is very dodgy and racist religious dogma? 

There are enough genetic differences between humans that one could distginguish between them and with most certainty put them into different groups, what these groups should be called (race, ethnicity) is subjective and debatable, but fact of the matter is, there are enough differences. If you're denying this then you're the one being religiously zealous about it. 


Edit: Also, if I understood you correctly, since ''physical appearence'' is racist religious dogma, I guess the term ''Genocide'' means nothing to you then? Genocide doesn't exist because distinct human peoples doesn't exist? You're disgusting.

Modifié par Androme, 26 juin 2013 - 12:34 .

[BlueMagitek]

Androme wrote...

In Exile wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...
I think the "icky" implication is there deliberately to provide good narrative and drama. Part of the insular nature of city elves is due to the fear that, if elves start trying to blend in more with human societythe elven race will eventually be "bred out"- rhetoric that a lot of racial supremacists use in the real world. It doesn't make them right, but it does make for interesting story, and I can't see any problem with that as long as it's nuanced.

No, I get that aspect of it, and I support it being in-story for the reasons you gave. But there are players, i.e., posters on this forum, who believe in and support the above underlined view, and disagree that it is racist supremacist rhetoric. That's what I was talking about as icky. 

You guys are talking about races being outbred as if it were something unrealistic and non-existant. How can you be so naive and call people like us ''racial supremacists''? I'd love to know what's going through your heads.

Edit: If you had it your way, irl, you'd let the most evil of humans do whatever they want to anyone they want. You hate racism and genocide but people like you are the ones who would allow it to flourish.

I think it is more tied to the idea of the Immortal Elf Ubermensch, which the Dalish are trying to "return to", when it is supposedly caused by the existence of humans (but not dwarves or qunari).

And blaming humans for all their problem, hating on City Elves, etc.

[Eltaulier]

It would be badass to say the least.

[Guns]

Let me guess. He's also half warrior/half mage and both King of the Anderfels/Keeper of the Dales.

pass.

[K_Tabris]

KENNY4753 wrote...

So I was always an advocate for a Half-Elf PC.I would prefer to have the full Elf option but well you know how that ended up...

This.

Besides, half-elves don't exist in Thedas the way they do in D&D

[Ananka]

RepHope wrote...

What would be the point? You look human, sound human, and unless you go around loudly declaring it at the top of your lungs who would even notice?

Have to agree with this.
If a half-elf looks human, is recognized as human and is treated like a human (considering other people won't know you're a half-elf unless you tell them), I don't see the reason to play a half-elf.

Now half-dwarf on the other hand...

[Androme]

DeadlyHaven wrote...

Androme wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Androme wrote...
You guys are talking about races being outbred as if it were something unrealistic and non-existant. How can you be so naive and call people like us ''racial supremacists''? I'd love to know what's going through your heads.

The idea that physical apperance doesn't define what a group is, especially when the only evidence we have that there's any actual difference between groups is very dodgy and racist religious dogma? 

There are enough genetic differences between humans that one could distginguish between them and with most certainty put them into different groups, what these groups should be called (race, ethnicity) is subjective and debatable, but fact of the matter is, there are enough differences. If you're denying this then you're the one being religiously zealous about it. 


Edit: Also, if I understood you correctly, since ''physical appearence'' is racist religious dogma, I guess the term ''Genocide'' means nothing to you then? Genocide doesn't exist because distinct human peoples doesn't exist? You're disgusting.

I'm sorry, what exactly are you getting offended by here? Maybe it's just because it's late and I'm a little tired, but I don't see anything offensive here.

I'm getting offended by hypocrites that call themselves ''antiracists'' who are the people who would let racism flourish the most because of their relaxed attitude towards race, ethnicity and culture. They deny the existence of unique human populations, they think everyone is the absolutely same to the core, from their genetic makeup to their cultural and moral values, which is complete nonsense and anyone with half a brain knows this. I'm offended because the deep **** humanity is currently in is because of people like that and their 68-leftist parents, and whenever we fully functional completely normal conservatives open our mouths we're branded racists, ****s and what not.

Edit: I guess I have to contribute to the topic at hand aswell instead of straying too far off-topic (although I believe the damage has already been done).

I think BioWare would have a much easier job to make a good story if the protagonist customization was limited, as in race and background and more important stuff like that. If it was like DAO again they would, once again, have to count in all the variables.

Modifié par Androme, 26 juin 2013 - 12:51 .