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[Angrywolves]

If they did this current gen players would revolt against Bioware . smiles. Not a good outcome for them.

[cactusberry]

The Elite Elite wrote...

Interesting. I don't see what would be so outrageous if the PS4/One versions of Inquisiton had features and areas that the PS3/360 versions didn't. The current consoles are both over 7 years old, correct? If there are things BioWare wants to do with Inquisiton that they can do on the PS4 and Xbox One but can't on the PS3 and 360, why shouldn't they do those things for the next generation versions? As long as the PS3 and 360 versions still have the same overall story content, I don't see what there is to complain about.

Because why should I pay the same about for a game as them and get less content?

[Inspectre]

I don't like how he put PC in the last gen group.

Modifié par Dragon XIX, 25 juin 2013 - 02:46 .

[CitizenSnips]

Dragon XIX wrote...

I don't like how he put PC in the last gen group.

Yea I was wondering about that too.

[The Elite Elite]

TheDarkRats wrote...

The Elite Elite wrote...

Interesting. I don't see what would be so outrageous if the PS4/One versions of Inquisiton had features and areas that the PS3/360 versions didn't. The current consoles are both over 7 years old, correct? If there are things BioWare wants to do with Inquisiton that they can do on the PS4 and Xbox One but can't on the PS3 and 360, why shouldn't they do those things for the next generation versions? As long as the PS3 and 360 versions still have the same overall story content, I don't see what there is to complain about.

Because why should I pay the same about for a game as them and get less content?

Because you didn't pay the same as them. Those playing the PS4 or Xbox One versions payed $400 or $500 more than you. Why shouldn't they get a better, more enhanced experience? I'm not saying they should get big, important story content that the PS3 and 360 versions don't, but since they have more advance hardware, they should get an experience that is more enhanced.

[MKfighter89]

The Elite Elite wrote...

TheDarkRats wrote...

The Elite Elite wrote...

Interesting. I don't see what would be so outrageous if the PS4/One versions of Inquisiton had features and areas that the PS3/360 versions didn't. The current consoles are both over 7 years old, correct? If there are things BioWare wants to do with Inquisiton that they can do on the PS4 and Xbox One but can't on the PS3 and 360, why shouldn't they do those things for the next generation versions? As long as the PS3 and 360 versions still have the same overall story content, I don't see what there is to complain about.

Because why should I pay the same about for a game as them and get less content?

Because you didn't pay the same as them. Those playing the PS4 or Xbox One versions payed $400 or $500 more than you. Why shouldn't they get a better, more enhanced experience? I'm not saying they should get big, important story content that the PS3 and 360 versions don't, but since they have more advance hardware, they should get an experience that is more enhanced.

I agree with this, its the same with buying anything new. Like a car you buy the current gen mustang are you going to hate on the 2015 which is new all around cause it has a  part that wont give you the same output on yours.

Modifié par JillBSuiT, 25 juin 2013 - 03:55 .

[Solmanian]

I remember MS saying something similar. Instead of backward compatibility, adding features to games that came out on the 360 (like halo4) on their next-gen versions. They were incredibly vague about what those "features" will be.

But I'm beggining to think this whole "next-gen" madness is going to implode.

[o Ventus]

The Elite Elite wrote...

Because you didn't pay the same as them. Those playing the PS4 or Xbox One versions payed $400 or $500 more than you. Why shouldn't they get a better, more enhanced experience? I'm not saying they should get big, important story content that the PS3 and 360 versions don't, but since they have more advance hardware, they should get an experience that is more enhanced.

By that same logic, somebody who gets the PS3 version and plays it on a day-one PS3 should get mroe content, because the PS3 costed $600 on launch day.

[MKfighter89]

o Ventus wrote...

The Elite Elite wrote...

Because you didn't pay the same as them. Those playing the PS4 or Xbox One versions payed $400 or $500 more than you. Why shouldn't they get a better, more enhanced experience? I'm not saying they should get big, important story content that the PS3 and 360 versions don't, but since they have more advance hardware, they should get an experience that is more enhanced.

By that same logic, somebody who gets the PS3 version and plays it on a day-one PS3 should get mroe content, because the PS3 costed $600 on launch day.

The next gen is here, early birds like myself should have a next gen experience not a last gen game with better graphics. I do agree that story wise it should stay the same but world expansion, effects, and graphics should not be held back by old tec. 

[The Elite Elite]

o Ventus wrote...
By that same logic, somebody who gets the PS3 version and plays it on a day-one PS3 should get mroe content, because the PS3 costed $600 on launch day.

That comparison doesn't work, because my point isn't the specific amount spent. Just like with anything, as it grows older, it goes down in price. Let me put it this way. Just for the sake of argument, let's say these are the various prices you can pay to play Inquisition on the day of release.

Dragon Age: Inquisiton, $60 for any console version.
PS3/360 price, $200
PS4 price, $400
Xbox One price, $500.

Obviously these might not be the exact prices of the various consoles at the time of DAI's release, but that's not really the point. Why wouldn't the versions that come with the $400 and $500 price tags be better than the versions that only come with the extra $200 price tag?

[Swoopdogg]

The Elite Elite wrote...

TheDarkRats wrote...

The Elite Elite wrote...

Interesting. I don't see what would be so outrageous if the PS4/One versions of Inquisiton had features and areas that the PS3/360 versions didn't. The current consoles are both over 7 years old, correct? If there are things BioWare wants to do with Inquisiton that they can do on the PS4 and Xbox One but can't on the PS3 and 360, why shouldn't they do those things for the next generation versions? As long as the PS3 and 360 versions still have the same overall story content, I don't see what there is to complain about.

Because why should I pay the same about for a game as them and get less content?

Because you didn't pay the same as them. Those playing the PS4 or Xbox One versions payed $400 or $500 more than you. Why shouldn't they get a better, more enhanced experience? I'm not saying they should get big, important story content that the PS3 and 360 versions don't, but since they have more advance hardware, they should get an experience that is more enhanced.

Um hello. Bioware has nothing to do with the money you spend on next gen consoles. Why would they entitle you to extra content simply because you paid microsoft/ sony more money?

[Plaintiff]

TheDarkRats wrote...

The Elite Elite wrote...

Interesting. I don't see what would be so outrageous if the PS4/One versions of Inquisiton had features and areas that the PS3/360 versions didn't. The current consoles are both over 7 years old, correct? If there are things BioWare wants to do with Inquisiton that they can do on the PS4 and Xbox One but can't on the PS3 and 360, why shouldn't they do those things for the next generation versions? As long as the PS3 and 360 versions still have the same overall story content, I don't see what there is to complain about.

Because why should I pay the same about for a game as them and get less content?

In my area, the retail place-holder price for next-gen games is almost $30 more than the price for current gen games.

For an extra thirty dollars, I'd damn well better be getting something that the cheap version doesn't offer.

[The Elite Elite]

Swoopdogg wrote...
Um hello. Bioware has nothing to do with the money you spend on next gen consoles. Why would they entitle you to extra content simply because you paid microsoft/ sony more money?

What about this is getting people upset? The PS4 and Xbox One contain better hardware than the PS3 and Xbox 360. Why should that better hardware not be put to use to give those gamers that purchase it a better experience? I'm not saying they should get important things like extra story, but it should mean a more enhanced experience. I'm not understanding people's problem with this idea.

[Swoopdogg]

The Elite Elite wrote...

Swoopdogg wrote...
Um hello. Bioware has nothing to do with the money you spend on next gen consoles. Why would they entitle you to extra content simply because you paid microsoft/ sony more money?

What about this is getting people upset? The PS4 and Xbox One contain better hardware than the PS3 and Xbox 360. Why should that better hardware not be put to use to give those gamers that purchase it a better experience? I'm not saying they should get important things like extra story, but it should mean a more enhanced experience. I'm not understanding people's problem with this idea.

Who says I'm getting upset? I agree that the more advanced consoles should use better hardware in DA3, but they should not be entitled to actual extra content, which is what some people are bringing up. But as long as it's just hardware, I'm fine with it.

But my point stands that it has nothing to do with money, as bioware gets nothing out of your purchase of the console.

[The Elite Elite]

Swoopdogg wrote...
Who says I'm getting upset? I agree that the more advanced consoles should use better hardware in DA3, but they should not be entitled to actual extra content, which is what some people are bringing up. But as long as it's just hardware, I'm fine with it.

But my point stands that it has nothing to do with money, as bioware gets nothing out of your purchase of the console.

I'm not saying you specifically are upset. It's just the reactions of so many people basically saying it'd be BS if the PS4 and Xbox One versions are better than the PS3 and 360 versions. As for what BioWare would get out of you purchasing the newer consoles, they'd get you to buy the newer hardware, which means they can stop making games on the older hardware, which means their options are opened up for what they can do in future games. 

What did BioWare get out of making Kinect features for Mass Effect 3 for the 360? Just like you can play Mass Effect 3 without Kinect, if you did go out and pay the extra money to buy a Kinect, then your experience with ME3 was enhanced. Similarly, you will be able to play Inquisition on a PS3 or 360, but if you do go out and spend the extra money for a PS4 or Xbox One and get that console's version of the game, your experience should be enhanced. Else why waste the time making the game for both console generations? 

[Sylvius the Mad]

TheDarkRats wrote...

Because why should I pay the same about for a game as them and get less content?

Beause that's what they offered you.  You can take the deal or leave the deal, but in no way are you being harmed by the deal.

The option to buy is never a bad thing. 

How can people say they'd rather not be given the option to buy an incomplete game?  If you don't to buy that incomplete game, then don't, but having the option has literally no downside.  There is no reason at all to object to it.

To suggest that no game is better than some game is flagrantly irrational.

[CROAT_56]

I can see this happening as it will be on blue ray so they don't have to worry about space

[cactusberry]

The Elite Elite wrote...

Swoopdogg wrote...
Who says I'm getting upset? I agree that the more advanced consoles should use better hardware in DA3, but they should not be entitled to actual extra content, which is what some people are bringing up. But as long as it's just hardware, I'm fine with it.

But my point stands that it has nothing to do with money, as bioware gets nothing out of your purchase of the console.

I'm not saying you specifically are upset. It's just the reactions of so many people basically saying it'd be BS if the PS4 and Xbox One versions are better than the PS3 and 360 versions. As for what BioWare would get out of you purchasing the newer consoles, they'd get you to buy the newer hardware, which means they can stop making games on the older hardware, which means their options are opened up for what they can do in future games. 

What did BioWare get out of making Kinect features for Mass Effect 3 for the 360? Just like you can play Mass Effect 3 without Kinect, if you did go out and pay the extra money to buy a Kinect, then your experience with ME3 was enhanced. Similarly, you will be able to play Inquisition on a PS3 or 360, but if you do go out and spend the extra money for a PS4 or Xbox One and get that console's version of the game, your experience should be enhanced. Else why waste the time making the game for both console generations? 

What OP was impying and Kinect are two immensely different things. The Kinect features was just some silly thing about UI. 

"To me, the bold text seems to suggest that the Xbox One and PS4 versions of DA:I will be more than just the same game with better graphics, going as far as including more quests, characters, or even whole areas."

That would be a lot of content to keep away from current gen console owners.

[garrusfan1]

I think the graphics and such may be better but they won't cut content that would be stupid

[stuboy52]

TheDarkRats wrote...

The Elite Elite wrote...

Swoopdogg wrote...
Who says I'm getting upset? I agree that the more advanced consoles should use better hardware in DA3, but they should not be entitled to actual extra content, which is what some people are bringing up. But as long as it's just hardware, I'm fine with it.

But my point stands that it has nothing to do with money, as bioware gets nothing out of your purchase of the console.

I'm not saying you specifically are upset. It's just the reactions of so many people basically saying it'd be BS if the PS4 and Xbox One versions are better than the PS3 and 360 versions. As for what BioWare would get out of you purchasing the newer consoles, they'd get you to buy the newer hardware, which means they can stop making games on the older hardware, which means their options are opened up for what they can do in future games. 

What did BioWare get out of making Kinect features for Mass Effect 3 for the 360? Just like you can play Mass Effect 3 without Kinect, if you did go out and pay the extra money to buy a Kinect, then your experience with ME3 was enhanced. Similarly, you will be able to play Inquisition on a PS3 or 360, but if you do go out and spend the extra money for a PS4 or Xbox One and get that console's version of the game, your experience should be enhanced. Else why waste the time making the game for both console generations? 

What OP was impying and Kinect are two immensely different things. The Kinect features was just some silly thing about UI. 

"To me, the bold text seems to suggest that the Xbox One and PS4 versions of DA:I will be more than just the same game with better graphics, going as far as including more quests, characters, or even whole areas."

That would be a lot of content to keep away from current gen console owners.

Is this a bad time for a PC master race joke, but seriously i cant see why they havent put pc in the same grouping as the new gen as by fall 2014 pc hardware will surpass consoles on high end pc.

I presume the graphics for pc will be possibly just as good, if not better than the consoles.

Though with regards to your dilemma the devs cant help old hardware particularly on the xbox360 falling behind.

[thebatmanreborn]

Xbox 360 vs PS4. You are talking about 512MB RAM vs 8GB DDR5 RAM (7GB are dedicated to gaming). You are comparing DVD vs Blu Ray. Not to mention the power of the processor, the enhanced graphics card,enhanced social media features and network, and size of the hard drive, etc. The Xbox 360 has been around since November 22, 2005. By next fall, that means the system will be 9 years old. That's a dinosaur. I have never seen a generation of consoles last so long.

Therefore, I don't see why there would be any gripes against Bioware releasing a "director's cut" version of the game for the X1/PS4. They have far superior technology to play with and should take full advantage. They are competing with games like The Witcher 3 and Elder Scrolls MMO that will be appearing on next gen consoles only. PS4/X1 versions should appear like next gen titles. I have no problem with them adding additional content to the PS4/X1 versions. It is to be expected. Personally, I'll snag the PS4 version at launch and grab a Xbox 360 version when it drops in price. Shop on Amazon-I usually get newly released games for like $30-$40 within 2 weeks of their release.

[garrusfan1]

I expect the graphics and technical parts to be better on the next gen consoles and I am fine with that they should use them to their fullest. however I expect them to get the same content and dlc since they should be the same game

[thebatmanreborn]

garrusfan1 wrote...

I expect the graphics and technical parts to be better on the next gen consoles and I am fine with that they should use them to their fullest. however I expect them to get the same content and dlc since they should be the same game

A filled Blu Ray would equal multiple DVD discs. It sort of comes down to choice like when you buy a movie. Do you want the standard edition or special edition? Director's cut or the televised editing? Seriously, I hope they take full advantage of the technology and fill that Blu Ray disc up to the brim. More side quests, more characters, more areas, more everything. Enough to be a full expansion in comparison to the version released on the 360. As long as what they add does not give some better insight to the main storyarc of DAI I am totally ok with that. 

A new generation of consoles is not just about better graphics, sound, etc. I hope they implement new gameplay devises. I hope there are weather effects and day/night cycle, more combat animations, deeper dialogue options, destructible enviroments, and a richer world on the PS4/X1/PC. And yea, PC should be included with the X1/PS4. 

Modifié par thebatmanreborn, 25 juin 2013 - 03:47 .

[garrusfan1]

thebatmanreborn wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

I expect the graphics and technical parts to be better on the next gen consoles and I am fine with that they should use them to their fullest. however I expect them to get the same content and dlc since they should be the same game

A filled Blu Ray would equal multiple DVD discs. It sort of comes down to choice like when you buy a movie. Do you want the standard edition or special edition? Director's cut or the televised editing? Seriously, I hope they take full advantage of the technology and fill that Blu Ray disc up to the brim. More side quests, more characters, more areas, more everything. Enough to be a full expansion in comparison to the version released on the 360. As long as what they add does not give some better insight to the main storyarc of DAI I am totally ok with that. 

A new generation of consoles is not just about better graphics, sound, etc. I hope they implement new gameplay devises. I hope there are weather effects and day/night cycle on the PS4/X1/PC. And yea, PC should be included with the X1/PS4. 

they can use multiple disks for the current gen consoles

[thebatmanreborn]

garrusfan1 wrote...

thebatmanreborn wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

I expect the graphics and technical parts to be better on the next gen consoles and I am fine with that they should use them to their fullest. however I expect them to get the same content and dlc since they should be the same game

A filled Blu Ray would equal multiple DVD discs. It sort of comes down to choice like when you buy a movie. Do you want the standard edition or special edition? Director's cut or the televised editing? Seriously, I hope they take full advantage of the technology and fill that Blu Ray disc up to the brim. More side quests, more characters, more areas, more everything. Enough to be a full expansion in comparison to the version released on the 360. As long as what they add does not give some better insight to the main storyarc of DAI I am totally ok with that. 

A new generation of consoles is not just about better graphics, sound, etc. I hope they implement new gameplay devises. I hope there are weather effects and day/night cycle on the PS4/X1/PC. And yea, PC should be included with the X1/PS4. 

they can use multiple disks for the current gen consoles

True and they have and it is a pain. But maybe they will. Witcher 2 offered an enhanced editionf or the 360 and then gave the content free to PC gamers. Maybe Bioware will do the same.