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[garrusfan1]

thebatmanreborn wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

thebatmanreborn wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

I expect the graphics and technical parts to be better on the next gen consoles and I am fine with that they should use them to their fullest. however I expect them to get the same content and dlc since they should be the same game

A filled Blu Ray would equal multiple DVD discs. It sort of comes down to choice like when you buy a movie. Do you want the standard edition or special edition? Director's cut or the televised editing? Seriously, I hope they take full advantage of the technology and fill that Blu Ray disc up to the brim. More side quests, more characters, more areas, more everything. Enough to be a full expansion in comparison to the version released on the 360. As long as what they add does not give some better insight to the main storyarc of DAI I am totally ok with that. 

A new generation of consoles is not just about better graphics, sound, etc. I hope they implement new gameplay devises. I hope there are weather effects and day/night cycle on the PS4/X1/PC. And yea, PC should be included with the X1/PS4. 

they can use multiple disks for the current gen consoles

True and they have and it is a pain. But maybe they will. Witcher 2 offered an enhanced editionf or the 360 and then gave the content free to PC gamers. Maybe Bioware will do the same. 

how was it a pain they could just use it for the very beginning and the end. ME3 wasn't bad about the disk change like people made it out to be. if you did the mission on the salarian homeworld directly after rescuing the primach you only changed it twice.

[stuboy52]

thebatmanreborn wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

I expect the graphics and technical parts to be better on the next gen consoles and I am fine with that they should use them to their fullest. however I expect them to get the same content and dlc since they should be the same game

A filled Blu Ray would equal multiple DVD discs. It sort of comes down to choice like when you buy a movie. Do you want the standard edition or special edition? Director's cut or the televised editing? Seriously, I hope they take full advantage of the technology and fill that Blu Ray disc up to the brim. More side quests, more characters, more areas, more everything. Enough to be a full expansion in comparison to the version released on the 360. As long as what they add does not give some better insight to the main storyarc of DAI I am totally ok with that. 

A new generation of consoles is not just about better graphics, sound, etc. I hope they implement new gameplay devises. I hope there are weather effects and day/night cycle, more combat animations, deeper dialogue options, destructible enviroments, and a richer world on the PS4/X1/PC. And yea, PC should be included with the X1/PS4. 

One would think disk size would be an issue, but the reality is that compression techniques continue to improve so it isn't a huge factor really.

Though Ram as you said early is so important, as why do you think some pc games never made it to consoles. They never had the ram required, but the new gen does even though pc's will and have already surpassed them. Im i right saying the new gen sports 8gb ram?

[The Elite Elite]

stuboy52 wrote...
Though Ram as you said early is so important, as why do you think some pc games never made it to consoles. They never had the ram required, but the new gen does even though pc's will and have already surpassed them. Im i right saying the new gen sports 8gb ram?

Correct, both the PS4 and Xbox One will have 8 GB RAM. However, for the Xbox, 3 GB of that RAM is dedicated for the three different OSs, and I think it is something similar for the PS4. (I haven't heard an official number for the PS4 though). But still, five GBs of RAM is far better than the half a GB the 360 has had.

[thebatmanreborn]

stuboy52 wrote...

thebatmanreborn wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

I expect the graphics and technical parts to be better on the next gen consoles and I am fine with that they should use them to their fullest. however I expect them to get the same content and dlc since they should be the same game

A filled Blu Ray would equal multiple DVD discs. It sort of comes down to choice like when you buy a movie. Do you want the standard edition or special edition? Director's cut or the televised editing? Seriously, I hope they take full advantage of the technology and fill that Blu Ray disc up to the brim. More side quests, more characters, more areas, more everything. Enough to be a full expansion in comparison to the version released on the 360. As long as what they add does not give some better insight to the main storyarc of DAI I am totally ok with that. 

A new generation of consoles is not just about better graphics, sound, etc. I hope they implement new gameplay devises. I hope there are weather effects and day/night cycle, more combat animations, deeper dialogue options, destructible enviroments, and a richer world on the PS4/X1/PC. And yea, PC should be included with the X1/PS4. 

One would think disk size would be an issue, but the reality is that compression techniques continue to improve so it isn't a huge factor really.

Though Ram as you said early is so important, as why do you think some pc games never made it to consoles. They never had the ram required, but the new gen does even though pc's will and have already surpassed them. Im i right saying the new gen sports 8gb ram?

Yes, you are right. Stats: 

Xbox One: 8GM DDR3 RAM (5GB dedicated to gaming).

PS4: 8GB DDR5 RAM (7GB dedicated to gaming).

Xbox 360: 512MB RAM

PS3: 256MB RAM. 

[NM_Che56]

*sigh*

I really wanted to avoid getting a new system while the same games are still being made for the old ones...

[thebatmanreborn]

Master Che wrote...

*sigh*

I really wanted to avoid getting a new system while the same games are still being made for the old ones...

I know what you mean. I guess for me it is already a given that I'm getting a PS4 because Witcher 3 and Infamous Second Son hit the console in the spring and I don't feel like upgrading my PC. haha. I have a 360 and will continue to play that (great games like Batman Arkham Origins and Dark Souls 2 are headed there). But as long as the version of DAI for the PS4 does not alter the main story that is found in the 360 version, would that suffice?

[Adela]

umm why in the world is the pc in the old category?? a pc could be even more powerful the the next gen bs if built right wtf? i spent almost 2500$ on my new computeri would be kinda pissed if they consider just the new consols to ad new contend and whatnot

[stuboy52]

thebatmanreborn wrote...

stuboy52 wrote...

thebatmanreborn wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

I expect the graphics and technical parts to be better on the next gen consoles and I am fine with that they should use them to their fullest. however I expect them to get the same content and dlc since they should be the same game

A filled Blu Ray would equal multiple DVD discs. It sort of comes down to choice like when you buy a movie. Do you want the standard edition or special edition? Director's cut or the televised editing? Seriously, I hope they take full advantage of the technology and fill that Blu Ray disc up to the brim. More side quests, more characters, more areas, more everything. Enough to be a full expansion in comparison to the version released on the 360. As long as what they add does not give some better insight to the main storyarc of DAI I am totally ok with that. 

A new generation of consoles is not just about better graphics, sound, etc. I hope they implement new gameplay devises. I hope there are weather effects and day/night cycle, more combat animations, deeper dialogue options, destructible enviroments, and a richer world on the PS4/X1/PC. And yea, PC should be included with the X1/PS4. 

One would think disk size would be an issue, but the reality is that compression techniques continue to improve so it isn't a huge factor really.

Though Ram as you said early is so important, as why do you think some pc games never made it to consoles. They never had the ram required, but the new gen does even though pc's will and have already surpassed them. Im i right saying the new gen sports 8gb ram?

Yes, you are right. Stats: 

Xbox One: 8GM DDR3 RAM (5GB dedicated to gaming).

PS4: 8GB DDR5 RAM (7GB dedicated to gaming).

Xbox 360: 512MB RAM

PS3: 256MB RAM. 

Ouch im no fanboy but for games that is damning for the xbox1 in terms of future potential for large strategy games and MMO's.

Regardless it might turn out to be a good console gen for large scale games that require all the ram. (note planetside 2 for me atleast at times goes over 5gb memory usage while playing intense battles)

On topic however the ram will dictate the potential size of game spaces in DA3 relative to activity within them, so new gen and pc are quite safe to assume will have larger game spaces. (this might be nonsense as im no expert)

[Adela]

dp

Modifié par ag99, 25 juin 2013 - 04:14 .

[thebatmanreborn]

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"Ouch im no fanboy but for games that is damning for the xbox1 in terms of future potential for large strategy games and MMO's.

Regardless it might turn out to be a good console gen for large scale games that require all the ram. (note planetside 2 for me atleast at times goes over 5gb memory usage while playing intense battles)

On topic however the ram will dictate the potential size of game spaces in DA3 relative to activity within them, so new gen and pc are quite safe to assume will have larger game spaces. (this might be nonsense as im no expert)"

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X1 claims to make up for it with their cloud gaming service (300,000 dedicated servers). At this point, I am unsure what kind of "real" impact this will make. Perhaps I am just not technologically educated enough to dissect that information. Mircosoft claims cloud gaming will allow the X1 to become vastly superior to any other console, to the point of offering up 4k gaming. True or not, time will tell. Not trying to be a fanboy to PS4 or anything. I am just stating the facts and admitting my ignorance. 

Modifié par thebatmanreborn, 25 juin 2013 - 04:18 .

[The Elite Elite]

thebatmanreborn wrote...
PS4: 8GB DDR5 RAM (7GB dedicated to gaming).

Is that an official number from Sony? Only 1 GB is dedicated to the system's OS? (Also I didn't realize the PS3 has even less RAM than the 360 does). I wonder if Microsoft thinks their cloud servers will make up for the two less GBs of RAM, what with all their talk about how their cloud servers will making gaming so much better?

[thebatmanreborn]

The Elite Elite wrote...

thebatmanreborn wrote...
PS4: 8GB DDR5 RAM (7GB dedicated to gaming).

Is that an official number from Sony? Only 1 GB is dedicated to the system's OS? (Also I didn't realize the PS3 has even less RAM than the 360 does). I wonder if Microsoft thinks their cloud servers will make up for the two less GBs of RAM, what with all their talk about how their cloud servers will making gaming so much better?

Yea, that is an official number. I would have to dig up a source. I read this during the week fo e3. But yes, Mircosoft thinks their cloud gaming service more than makes up for it. Like I said though, someone smarter than me is more than welcome to explain how. 

Modifié par thebatmanreborn, 25 juin 2013 - 04:26 .

[stuboy52]

I see the merits of cloud gaming if they pull it off but if your like me and barely get 500kb's a sec in download speed i can't see it working for me.

ag99

For that price you must have a beast as for me last christmas i spent £560 upgrading my motherboard, processor, gpu and cooling.

But don't worry they just had bad wording i image as even now PC can blow away console hardware, if one has the £££££.

Modifié par stuboy52, 25 juin 2013 - 04:31 .

[Ravnemesteren]

As a gamer that always want to play the best games, I usually end up buying consoles because of exclusives. I have nothing against consoles, and have tons of good memories with them going back to my NES. However, even the next gen consoles are far weaker than my current gaming PC ... and I have no idea why so many people prefer consoles ... they are inferior in every way. Some mention price, but you can usually buy a decent gaming PC (far stronger than a console), quite cheap if you know how to build one yourself (its so easy these days... its basically color coded and easier than putting Legos together), and if you take the price of a good TV into account (which you kind of have to), the price usually gets steaper than the PC setup. Some mention that they don't like playing with a mouse and keyboard... then get a controller for the PC. Some mention that they prefer sitting in the couch ... then hook a PC up to the TV infront of the couch and you have a super media center too. Plus, your games are about half the price... new... at release. Whats to dislike?

And now that the newer consoles are quite pricy and require you to install content, none of the old arguments for preferring a console really work.

So I am a bit annoyed because the developers end up developing and focusing on the weakest link. The possibilites we have with the next gen consoles, have been there for so many years, but everything is held back.

I dunno why I made this rant. Its probably because I would love to see more games being developed for the superior platform.

[Fiery Phoenix]

garrusfan1 wrote...

I expect the graphics and technical parts to be better on the next gen consoles and I am fine with that they should use them to their fullest. however I expect them to get the same content and dlc since they should be the same game

If Gibeau's quote (which is admittedly vague) is anything to go by, we probably will be seeing more than just prettier graphics. We just don't know the extent to which they intend to go with this - that remains to be seen.

[CROAT_56]

Guys DDR5 doesn't exist now GDDR5 does

[thebatmanreborn]

CROAT_56 wrote...

Guys DDR5 doesn't exist now GDDR5 does

Yes, you are quite right. I left out the G. 

[CROAT_56]

Good god DDR5 would be intense though

[Fiery Phoenix]

GDDR5 is graphics-oriented, though. That's why it's not used as system RAM in PC's. For a console, that means considerable longevity. I actually expect the next gen to last quite a bit more than the current one. But I digress.

[Kerethos]

Ravnemesteren wrote...

As a gamer that always want to play the best games, I usually end up buying consoles because of exclusives. I have nothing against consoles, and have tons of good memories with them going back to my NES. However, even the next gen consoles are far weaker than my current gaming PC ... and I have no idea why so many people prefer consoles ... they are inferior in every way. Some mention price, but you can usually buy a decent gaming PC (far stronger than a console), quite cheap if you know how to build one yourself (its so easy these days... its basically color coded and easier than putting Legos together), and if you take the price of a good TV into account (which you kind of have to), the price usually gets steaper than the PC setup. Some mention that they don't like playing with a mouse and keyboard... then get a controller for the PC. Some mention that they prefer sitting in the couch ... then hook a PC up to the TV infront of the couch and you have a super media center too. Plus, your games are about half the price... new... at release. Whats to dislike?

For me, the main reason I've preferred my console over a PC is two fold; the first being split-screen co-op. The ability to invite a friend to sit down next to me and play a game we both enjoy while we talk, drink and laugh. The PC just can't offer that experience. You need 2 PC's, two screens and the space to house them.

The other is simplicity. A console requires virtually no technical know-how and no upgrades. And unlike a PC, the longer time you own it the better looking the games become. On a PC however, at least in my experience, the longer your system specs remain the same the lower graphical settings you'll have to play on. Or you'll have to pay for and install better hardware. A console just takes care of itself, and when I want to play I just pop the disc and go. Simplicity.

Ravnemesteren wrote...
And now that the newer consoles are quite pricy and require you to install content, none of the old arguments for preferring a console really work.

I believe the reasons I just listed still apply, albeit with some technical know-how now required.

Ravnemesteren wrote...

So I am a bit annoyed because the developers end up developing and focusing on the weakest link. The possibilites we have with the next gen consoles, have been there for so many years, but everything is held back.

It's being held back, but it also seems to take decent leaps when new console hardware becomes available. But it is indeed a shame that we'll have to settle for leaps, instead of a steady climb. There will always be technical limits to the creativity of the game-developers, and consoles play a considerable part in some of those limitations - though only for multi-platform releases (which most major titles these days are). Being locked into a certain hardware config does mean they have to learn how to make the most of it though, and also helps to add to the longevity of a PC - meaning it takes longer before upgrades are needed in order to maintain top performance.

Ravnemesteren wrote...

I dunno why I made this rant. Its probably because I would love to see more games being developed for the superior platform.

I assume you mean exclusively for the PC, which I don't quite support, as I'd like as many players as possible to be able to enjoy great games - not just the ones fortunate enough to own a powerful PC.
Though, it seems like I'll stick with my own powerful PC for now. At least until some time after the next generation of consoles have been released, and I can compare them, not on guessed performance, but on what games and gameplay they offer.

[thebatmanreborn]

Ravnemesteren wrote...

As a gamer that always want to play the best games, I usually end up buying consoles because of exclusives. I have nothing against consoles, and have tons of good memories with them going back to my NES. However, even the next gen consoles are far weaker than my current gaming PC ... and I have no idea why so many people prefer consoles ... they are inferior in every way. Some mention price, but you can usually buy a decent gaming PC (far stronger than a console), quite cheap if you know how to build one yourself (its so easy these days... its basically color coded and easier than putting Legos together), and if you take the price of a good TV into account (which you kind of have to), the price usually gets steaper than the PC setup. Some mention that they don't like playing with a mouse and keyboard... then get a controller for the PC. Some mention that they prefer sitting in the couch ... then hook a PC up to the TV infront of the couch and you have a super media center too. Plus, your games are about half the price... new... at release. Whats to dislike?

And now that the newer consoles are quite pricy and require you to install content, none of the old arguments for preferring a console really work.

So I am a bit annoyed because the developers end up developing and focusing on the weakest link. The possibilites we have with the next gen consoles, have been there for so many years, but everything is held back.

I dunno why I made this rant. Its probably because I would love to see more games being developed for the superior platform.

You need to pick up the June issue of Game Informer. There was a fantastic article that tackled this very topic and crushed the internet myth that high-end PC gaming is already next generation. 

Why? The Wii sold 100 million plus consoles. Xbox 360 and PS3 sold 77 million plus consoles each. The console market easily trumps the PC market by a very wide margin. If you catered to PC gaming, you are looking at a niche market that represents far less than 10% of all gamers worldwide. Business wise, this would make no sense for any developer to do when the cost of making games has gone up so drastically. 

Games may look better on a highend PC, but that is just eyecandy. The gameplay will not be any different than what you can do on consoles. Why? Because the future of the industry is driven by consoles. To few people play on PC's as opposed to consoles or mobile gaming. Guys like me grew up on console gaming. They are convient, easy to setup, and far cheaper than buying and annually upgrading a pc to play games. That, and those of us with careers that require the use of the PC often don't like to even think about computers when we get home. 

Fewer people are buying PC's and laptops today (the industry suffered a 33% drop in sales, recording it's lowest number in recorded history during the first quarter of this year). However, the PS4 ad Xbox One are breaking all kinds of preorder sales records on Amazon. The bulk of people love playing on consoles. It is simply more user friendly. And when you have it hooked up to your TV in the living room, your whole family can get involved. 

Modifié par thebatmanreborn, 25 juin 2013 - 08:18 .

[Adela]

thebatmanreborn wrote...


Fewer people are buying PC's and laptops today (the industry suffered a 33% drop in sales, recording it's lowest number in recorded history during the first quarter of this year). However, the PS4 ad Xbox One are breaking all kinds of preorder sales records on Amazon. The bulk of people love playing on consoles. It is simply more user friendly. And when you have it hooked up to your TV in the living room, your whole family can get involved. 

Yes cuz using a PC is like rocket science, also PC are very used alot in buisnesses and all kinds of stuff. On what do u think games are made?  Consoles may be good for gaming and watching movies but thats about it nothing else

Modifié par ag99, 25 juin 2013 - 08:32 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

thebatmanreborn wrote...

It is simply more user friendly.

Not if you want to customise your experience, at all.

Consoles, for the most part, force all players to play exactly the same way.  That's fine if all players are relevantly similar, but if they're not then consoles will necessarily serve some of them poorly.

I once played a multiplayer console game.  I didn't want to chat with other players, so I didn't plug in a headset.  And then the voice chat of the other players came out my main speakers.  I had no idea how to turn it off.  To this day I don't know if it was even possible to turn it off.

Not knowing how to do something you want to do is the opposite of user-friendliness.

And when you have it hooked up to your TV in the living room, your whole family can get involved.

I can't even imagine wanting that.

[Ravnemesteren]

thebatmanreborn wrote...

Ravnemesteren wrote...

As a gamer that always want to play the best games, I usually end up buying consoles because of exclusives. I have nothing against consoles, and have tons of good memories with them going back to my NES. However, even the next gen consoles are far weaker than my current gaming PC ... and I have no idea why so many people prefer consoles ... they are inferior in every way. Some mention price, but you can usually buy a decent gaming PC (far stronger than a console), quite cheap if you know how to build one yourself (its so easy these days... its basically color coded and easier than putting Legos together), and if you take the price of a good TV into account (which you kind of have to), the price usually gets steaper than the PC setup. Some mention that they don't like playing with a mouse and keyboard... then get a controller for the PC. Some mention that they prefer sitting in the couch ... then hook a PC up to the TV infront of the couch and you have a super media center too. Plus, your games are about half the price... new... at release. Whats to dislike?

And now that the newer consoles are quite pricy and require you to install content, none of the old arguments for preferring a console really work.

So I am a bit annoyed because the developers end up developing and focusing on the weakest link. The possibilites we have with the next gen consoles, have been there for so many years, but everything is held back.

I dunno why I made this rant. Its probably because I would love to see more games being developed for the superior platform.

You need to pick up the June issue of Game Informer. There was a fantastic article that tackled this very topic and crushed the internet myth that high-end PC gaming is already next generation. 

Why? The Wii sold 100 million plus consoles. Xbox 360 and PS3 sold 77 million plus consoles each. The console market easily trumps the PC market by a very wide margin. If you catered to PC gaming, you are looking at a niche market that represents far less than 10% of all gamers worldwide. Business wise, this would make no sense for any developer to do when the cost of making games has gone up so drastically. 

Games may look better on a highend PC, but that is just eyecandy. The gameplay will not be any different than what you can do on consoles. Why? Because the future of the industry is driven by consoles. To few people play on PC's as opposed to consoles or mobile gaming. Guys like me grew up on console gaming. They are convient, easy to setup, and far cheaper than buying and annually upgrading a pc to play games. That, and those of us with careers that require the use of the PC often don't like to even think about computers when we get home. 

Fewer people are buying PC's and laptops today (the industry suffered a 33% drop in sales, recording it's lowest number in recorded history during the first quarter of this year). However, the PS4 ad Xbox One are breaking all kinds of preorder sales records on Amazon. The bulk of people love playing on consoles. It is simply more user friendly. And when you have it hooked up to your TV in the living room, your whole family can get involved. 

I highly doubt your 10% number is correct. In fact I know it is wrong. The largest part of the gaming market is China. And PC gaming is very dominant there. Consider Korea too, PC gaming also dominant. The PC market is rising quickly, while sales in the console department is falling, at least thats what I have read in multiple articles from different sources. It must be said that this has alot to do with popular free to play games on PC (Like League of Legends). And if you read market reports, you will see that, yes, console currently brings in more money, but PC is VERY close. 

Here is an article where you can see some stats (and some speculation abou the future). And you can see revenue for console games started falling after 2011, while PC games are quickly catching up. Your 10% number is in fact closer to 45%.  

www.gamasutra.com/view/news/127259/Nvidia_PC_Game_Revenue_To_Surpass_Console_In_2014.php


Also: You say that games will only LOOK better on PC, and that its only eyecandy. I need to correct you on this. I have for a long time been a modder for the Arma series (Its a military simulation series). Its a game that you could not possibly release for console even though you rewrote the graphical engine to fit 360 or ps3 specs. Why? Other calculations that drastically change gameplay. The most resource intensive part of the arma series is the AI. You can have thousands of AI on the map at the same time, every soldier will do calculations and figure out what to do according to the enviroment you have put him in. And all of these soldiers can be fighting off screen in a dynamic battle, and act quite logical (if you have modded the AI), each shot will be calculated to use realistic trajectories etc. In so many games these days, CPU is the bottle neck, not graphics. 

Physics, weather, AI, dynamic events etc are all things that affect gameplay and that are restricted by hardware. 

[Peer of the Empire]

Swoopdogg wrote...

I don't think current gen gamers should be left out. If you're going to release a game on both generations, you don't restrict those using current gen. You just don't. That's like saying, "Here, everyone gets cake! But only the rich kids get icing!"

I'd be fine with higher quality options for next gen, because honestly I don't care about that sort of thing. But to deny content to the current gen gamers is just... well, wrong, honestly. Like I said, you don't give a kid cake and then deny him icing. You just don't.

peasant