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[Plaintiff]

IceHawk-181 wrote...

We get it Plaintiff, you hate OSC with the same level of vitriol you say makes OSC a reprehensible individual. Moving on...

No, you clearly don't get it. I don't hate Card for being vitriolic, I don't give a crap if people are vitriolic, I care if they are bigots. Card could express his views in the politest way possible and give me a puppy to thank me for listening to him, and I would still stomp on his nuts.

On the other hand, if someone actually supports equal rights, they can spout all the vitriol they want and I will never complain.

[craigdolphin]

I'm still waiting to hear/see more before forming an opinion on DAI. However, the graphics shown in the trailer do look improved so that's a good sign. Things that would disappoint me though would include:

-Mandatory Origin client for PC

-Combat Encounter design that features large numbers of weak opponents along with a bad auto-attack implementation (eg, AA not auto-acquiring the next trash mob when the current one dies). Generally I'd prefer fewer, more powerful/interesting enemies per encounter.

-Lack of a detachable/overhead camera to support tactical placement of AOE spells etc

-NPC's that appear to exist solely as combat assets while outside of the home base (player-initiated conversation and/or interaction needs to make a comeback)

-Another mono-thematic game (mages vs templars ad nauseum redux)

-No revision of the dork-spawn and elven retcons in DA2. From the books, I got the impression that elves are supposed to be /attractive/ to humans. I would like it if the elves were attractive. And Darkspawn are supposed to be frightening: I was unaware that they 'kill' using comedy impersonations of skeletor. (A reputation for scariness that is also undermined by the many-wimpy-foes approach to combat encounter design)

-Healing potion cool-downs. Did not like.

-Over-emphasis on combat as the only way to resolve all quests/plot lines etc.

-lack of dynamism in the enviroment

Things that I think are unlikely this time around that would also lead to disappointment:

-over-recycling of areas/assets
-lack of consequence for choices
-lack of good equipment customization for followers
-silly implementation of waves that make tactical placement irrelevant

Modifié par craigdolphin, 25 juin 2013 - 05:59 .

[Iakus]

Plaintiff wrote...

iakus wrote...

Not to drag this any more OT than it already is, but I'm ordering a copy of the comic just because someone decided to use this thread to rail against Card. I find such hypocricy amusing enough to reward that way.

You don't actually know the definition of hypocrisy.

You also can't spell hypocrisy.

I find such rank intolerance hypocritical.

Better?

At any rate to try and drag this kicking and screaming back on-topic.  One thing that might make me happy/disappointed will ultimately be the answer to what happened to Warden and Hawke

Happy:  their disappearance is answered and they get to go off and make whatever life of themselves I can imagine

Disappointed, tehy get summarilly killed off/railroaded into some ooc action that my Warden/Hawke would never do.

[Plaintiff]

iakus wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

iakus wrote...

Not to drag this any more OT than it already is, but I'm ordering a copy of the comic just because someone decided to use this thread to rail against Card. I find such hypocricy amusing enough to reward that way.

You don't actually know the definition of hypocrisy.

You also can't spell hypocrisy.

I find such rank intolerance hypocritical.

Better?

No, still wrong.

Hypocrisy is holding others to a moral standard that you yourself don't meet. I do not hold anyone to a moral standard of "tolerate everything indiscrimnately". There are things in this world that should never be tolerated.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 25 juin 2013 - 06:00 .

[IceHawk-181]

Plaintiff wrote...

IceHawk-181 wrote...

We get it Plaintiff, you hate OSC with the same level of vitriol you say makes OSC a reprehensible individual. Moving on...

No, you clearly don't get it. I don't hate Card for being vitriolic, I don't give a crap if people are vitriolic, I care if they are bigots. Card could express his views in the politest way possible and give me a puppy to thank me for listening to him, and I would still stomp on his nuts.

On the other hand, if someone actually supports equal rights, they can spout all the vitriol they want and I will never complain.

I do understand you. Plaintiff.
 
You are an ideologue who hates people who disagree with your ideological position while failing to see that the only difference between yourself and your description of OSC is the entirely subjective and culturally specific answer to one of the most controversial questions of our time.
 

Whoopity do, you are a Progressive Ideologue who hates Conservative ideologues and defines Tolerance as the complete endorsement of Progressivism.
 
Done with this now.
 

[IceHawk-181]

Building on craigdolphin's comment on the Elves, Visual Depictions in general need to be improved.

I was seriously unhappy with the DA2 art style, even if the detail was superior.

[Iakus]

IceHawk-181 wrote...

Building on craigdolphin's comment on the Elves, Visual Depictions in general need to be improved.

I was seriously unhappy with the DA2 art style, even if the detail was superior.

Agreed the elf makeover didn't really do it for me in DA2.  Though that's a bit lower on my personal priorities list

[Plaintiff]

IceHawk-181 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

IceHawk-181 wrote...

We get it Plaintiff, you hate OSC with the same level of vitriol you say makes OSC a reprehensible individual. Moving on...

No, you clearly don't get it. I don't hate Card for being vitriolic, I don't give a crap if people are vitriolic, I care if they are bigots. Card could express his views in the politest way possible and give me a puppy to thank me for listening to him, and I would still stomp on his nuts.

On the other hand, if someone actually supports equal rights, they can spout all the vitriol they want and I will never complain.

I do understand you. Plaintiff.
 
You are an ideologue who hates people who disagree with your ideological position while failing to see that the only difference between yourself and your description of OSC is the entirely subjective and culturally specific answer to one of the most controversial questions of our time.
 

Whoopity do, you are a Progressive Ideologue who hates Conservative ideologues and defines Tolerance as the complete endorsement of Progressivism.
 
Done with this now.

My idealogical position is that I deserve to be treated like a human being. Yes, I hate people who oppose that. If I said all Conservatives should be kicked in the crotch until they cough blood, you'd probably hate me too.

If you wanted to get back on topic, you were free to do so at any time. I was not the one who derailed this thread. It asked what Bioware could do to disappoint me, I answered the question. It was your choice to make an argument out of it.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 25 juin 2013 - 06:07 .

[IceHawk-181]

I still do not understand the decision with the Elves, they are meant to be attractive insofar as the lore is concerned. What we got was....meh.

Which was strange because the detail on the Humans, Qunari, and Dwarves was well done.

[Enigmatick]

I am so disappointed that people like Plantiff is what stopped the production of the Superman story that OSC was writing, I was really looking forward to that.

And a lack of an isometric camera, a rigid three act plot, DA2 combat, and non combat skills will leave me greatly dissapointed with DA:I.

[chuckwells62]

I enjoyed Dragon Age: Origins (and all of its related DLC) immensely , and I didn't HATE DA2, but it was particularly obvious that select inhouse Bioware personnel were geared more towards tweaking high profile technical stuff, rather than sticking to and honoring their own previously established lore. Funny, since that was what had established the large fanbase for Thedas in the first place. It still makes no sense, that they fail to grasp that reality.

I hope that the delay of Inquisition means that story content is being seriously looked at and factored into the big picture. I believe that if Bioware perpetrates yet another round of bull**** spin over customer base expectations - based on how the company itself markets their own products - and then fails to live up to what was promised; then not only will they endure another public thrashing, but their company will tank in a major way.

Morrigan factoring into the trailer was a huge step in the right direction, but even that is merely a tease until release. They still have to deliver a topnotch story, with riveting characters, and game content that makes people want to stick around for more than just one playthrough. Whether I ever get to see my own Warden (or Hawke) appear again or not, I DO want Grey Wardens and Flemeth and Morrigan and resolution to lore that was left hanging. No matter what certain devs personally believe, that kinda thing is important enough to have kept us all endlessly debating for years.

[Sir George Parr]

An answer on the disappearance of Hawke and the Warden, being rail roaded. Happy or Depressing a choice in the matter would be welcome. Also if the ending involves the latest PC mysteriously disappearing, that will be disappointing.

[Rixatrix]

Plaintiff wrote...
There are things in this world that should never be tolerated.

+1

[I Like Cats And]

Pandering to the Bioware forums.

[Rixatrix]

craigdolphin wrote...
-Mandatory Origin client for PC

Really hope they make Origin optional - it's the only reason I haven't bought DA2 and ME3 for PC.  The day it becomes Origin-free and available on say, Steam, my house will be buying two copies of each.  I know it's a longshot.

-Healing potion cool-downs. Did not like.

Didn't like this either.  I tried to rationalize it by thinking, "Maybe it's like milk, and if you drink a gallon all at once, it makes you vomit!"

Modifié par BlueMoonSeraphim, 25 juin 2013 - 07:25 .

[Endurium]

After playing some DAO a few things come to mind that I've come to dislike:

- Approaching an NPC automagically starts conversation, sometimes every time you approach. I prefer walking up and initiating it myself.

- Aforementioned automagic  Any kind of conversation swoops the rest of the party into the immediate vicinity which, in situations involving combat after the conversation, throws preparation right out the window.

I could get into DA2 but hopefully Bioware have learned from that. I don't want another game I can barely bring myself to finish, much less replay.

Modifié par Endurium, 25 juin 2013 - 07:32 .

[HurricaneGinger]

I think the only thing that would really disappoint me is if the open world they are creating is TOO open world. Take Skyrim for example: I love that game, but the story can be lost midst the side-quests and traveling; also the lack of consequences for my actions can make being an all powerful b*tch a bit boring. Sure, you're sent to jail and bounties are set, yet you can easily escape or pay them off, and fight off thugs and assassins without trying. It's not much of a consequence, more like a slap on the wrist. And yes, you are the Dragonborn and you are highly respected, but I'd think if you start abusing your power action should be taken against you.

Anyway, I'll stop here before I really run off with my thoughts.

Oh, and more character interaction would be really nice. Three conversations every three years didn't really help me get to know the characters in DA2.

Anders: MAGE MAGES MAGE MAGES DIE TEMPLARS DON'T LOVE ME I LOVE YOU
Hawke: Anders honey, I just want to know what your favorite ice cream flavor is!
Anders: THE FLAVOR IS JUSTICE.
-paraphrased from the Cullen thread

Modifié par PhantomGinger, 25 juin 2013 - 07:37 .

[soldo9149]

No console to fix the bugs in the game. I have used console in origins and in the second one so many times to get around the bugs when the first game came out. Not to mention sometimes its just nice to give me that extra coin just to buy and try out those nice weapons/armor and find out its worthless. Then just reload.

[Azaron Nightblade]

Things I fear will let me down;

1) Hawke and the Warden.
My inner Debbie Downer is screaming at me that they've probably been brutally slaughtered or turned into some Darkspawn abominations for the sake of the new story.
Let's call it Revan 2.0.

2) The Castle.
The Suikoden series pretty much set the standard for having one's own keep in an RPG.
Bioware's previous hype about how the players would have their own keep in DA: Awakening resulted in a huge disappointment when I actually played it.
A few choices, with no real effects and the choice between letting it burn or not (in which case the city burned) - and no customization or real (if any?) evolution.
Hawke's mansion did it somewhat better.

3) The Elves.
Will they find a new way to make them even more hideous than they did in DA2? Then again, after recently touching Skyrim (without mods) I've grown to appreciate DA2's Elves a bit more.

[Khayness]

Repetitive, shallow enemy encounters, only made difficult by throwing masses at you, often from unlucky positions.

Lack of enemy behaviour variety. DA:O wasn't that amazing either, but atleast it wasn't DA2 scarce. 1 handed/2 handed + ranged units with different skins, and the usual tough ones. That all four. With different skins (the mages casted something specific atleast, I give you that, but even that is the same aoe spell looking different). Rage demons and Assassins stealing mah potions! Those few unique encounters didn't really balance it out.

Stupid NPCs acting as railroads to the plot. Whoever wrote Grace needs to send me a fruit basket.

[R0vena]

Untouchable assassins.
I can't say it will be a deal breaker for me, but it will definitely be very annoying. I actually enjoyed combat in both DAO and DA 2, but this invulnerable back-flip of enemy rogues sometimes made me growl in frustration.

[Amycus89]

Aside from a mandatory Origin client to run the game, I'm worried about the dialogue options - or lack thereof, since we now have a voiced protagonist.

[CDRSkyShepard]

PhantomGinger wrote...

I think the only thing that would really disappoint me is if the open world they are creating is TOO open world. Take Skyrim for example: I love that game, but the story can be lost midst the side-quests and traveling; also the lack of consequences for my actions can make being an all powerful b*tch a bit boring. Sure, you're sent to jail and bounties are set, yet you can easily escape or pay them off, and fight off thugs and assassins without trying. It's not much of a consequence, more like a slap on the wrist. And yes, you are the Dragonborn and you are highly respected, but I'd think if you start abusing your power action should be taken against you.

*Snip*

I'd have to agree with all of this. Skyrim is cool and all but I'm not big into sandbox RPGs for this very reason. Plus, you have to sacrifice some story to get a huge world like that, because there is only so much data to be had. (Unless they unlock the power of the Cloud for the next generation, but that won't be possible on the 360 or PS3.) I hope they do what they did in DA:O and KotOR where there are really big maps for you to explore, but it's not completely open-world.

However, they are also saying there will be quite a bit of consequence to your actions (of course, I take that with an enormous grain of salt thanks to ME3, but they might have learned their lesson). Possibly your choices from Origins will have a greater impact as well, since Morrigan is returning. And speaking of Morrigan, I'd be disappointed if she's not a large part of the plot, given the fact she narrated the first trailer.

[Sable Rhapsody]

BlueMoonSeraphim wrote...
Really hope they make Origin optional - it's the only reason I haven't bought DA2 and ME3 for PC.  The day it becomes Origin-free and available on say, Steam, my house will be buying two copies of each.  I know it's a longshot.

FYI, DA2 can be played without Origin.  I have both a disc and Amazon store digital copy of DA2 (for some very random reasons), and neither requires Origin to play.  It does turn up on the Origin dash, but I don't have to launch DA2 through Origin.

As for ME3...well, there are other ways to get around Origin.  Not strictly speaking legal, but if you don't wanna deal with Origin, there it is.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 25 juin 2013 - 10:31 .

[Guns]

That Bioware will pansy out and be afraid of using darker themes like torture, rape, the casualties of war, etc.