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[Caineghis2500]

Please don't argue with dunvi. If she thinks soloing isn't a marker of individual skill then let her be. She's not a soloer so don't waste your time. I for one thought that the word "solo" relates to the word "individual" meaning one's self..... Ah meh what do I know?

[Deerber]

lightswitch wrote...

spectre

Lol. Spectres are much worse than average 

[SilentStep79]

at this point, i just want ppl to help with objectives and use a medigel occasionally.
BSNers seem to get this, so i guess that's my "average".

[dumdum2]

caineghis2500 wrote...

Please don't argue with dunvi. If she thinks soloing isn't a marker of individual skill then let her be. She's not a soloer so don't waste your time. I for one thought that the word "solo" relates to the word "individual" meaning one's self..... Ah meh what do I know?

Glad to see you're back Cain, I had to take my first 24 hour ban yesterday for defending you in a thread. You sure like to stir sh*t up 

[lightswitch]

being good at soloing just means you're good at kiting. woop de do.

[RedJohn]

I'm so average.

[RedJohn]

lightswitch wrote...

being good at soloing just means you're good at kiting. woop de do.

Only if it last more than 25 ( gold ) or more than 34-35 ( plat )

[ISHYGDDT]

lightswitch wrote...

being good at soloing just means you're good at kiting. woop de do.

Obviously, all I did was kite, kite, kite:

Modifié par ISHYGDDT, 27 juin 2013 - 03:55 .

[Creator Limbs]

So good at kiting that all recent solos end up with me face-planting by wave 8.

Stop being a little **** about people who can consistently solo and do so quickly. Just admire from a far.

[78stonewobble]

Soloing doesn't necessarily mean skilled.

Dodging/kiting AND at the same time hitting and doing damage at an efficient rate is better.

Average is average, good is better than average, great is reserved for the top ten in the world.

As in, if this was 100 meter running. Great would be the 10 competing for the gold medal.

Teamwork skills is a little more ephemereal, but does also make a player better.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 27 juin 2013 - 04:06 .

[dumdum2]

RedJohn wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

being good at soloing just means you're good at kiting. woop de do.

Only if it last more than 25 ( gold ) or more than 34-35 ( plat )

On PC that is.

[lightswitch]

MasterReefa wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

being good at soloing just means you're good at kiting. woop de do.

You make it sound like it's something brain dead easy.
Getting a sketchy device, or soloing glacier takes some skill and I use that word lightly.

the point is that it's one skill. not proof of some broad spectrum of skills. A prolific soloist does not necessarily a great player make.

RedJohn wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

being good at soloing just means you're good at kiting. woop de do.

Only if it last more than 25 ( gold ) or more than 34-35 ( plat )

ISHYGDDT wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

being good at soloing just means you're good at kiting. woop de do.

Obviously, all I did was kite, kite, kite:

Originally I thought about adding the stipulation that it's a different case when the solo is under a certain time limit, probably 25 for gold. But I'm more interested in talking about the fact that most solos don't really prove a whole lot in terms of skill level.

Modifié par lightswitch, 28 juin 2013 - 03:54 .

[ASmoothCriminalx]

lightswitch wrote...

But I'm more interested in talking about the fact that most solos don't really prove a whole lot in terms of skill level.

The important part is that some do. Whether it be by time completed, imposed difficulty (map/faction/build), or random difficulty through unlucky objectives.

Yes, this game can be trivialized i.e. by soloing Gold, Geth, with a Reegar Kroguard. A game with so many different ways to play (factions, kits, weapons, builds, maps, difficulties, consumables, gear bonuses, etc) will have that tendency.

As for soloing being a measure of skill in at least some way.. is it easier to solo than to PuG with 3 decoys? Even if they aren't alive throughout the entire game or even killing all that many enemies? The answer is pretty clear. Being able to kill stuff quickly so long as you have other players sucking up agro and/or watching your back could be considered a skill I guess...

[dumdum2]

lightswitch wrote...

the point is that it's one skill. not proof of some broad spectrum of skills. A prolific soloist does not necessarily a great player make.

You are correct. That's why I put the solo criteria in combination with a few other criterias such as knowledge and use of game mechanics and how well the player can play a certain amount of classes.

The soloing criteria in itself doesn't really mean that much, but when combined with the other criterias it makes up a specific kind of player who is either bad, average, good or great.

Those 3 criterias are basically the only ones you need. Some may say "it's a criteria to be able to extract!" or to say "it's a criteria to be able to use rockets, gels and do objectives!", and to that I say that if the 3 criterias that I mentioned are satisfied then you will get all of those other things as well. Because the actual gameplay depends on your ability to play individually in a team as well as to use game mechanics to your advantage and be able to perfectly play the class that you are playing. If you are not good at playing a certain class you might fail extraction, if you have no knowledge about game mechanics you might fail objectives or you will not make it past wave 5 of Gold, if you can't solo then you might not finish the game everytime your teammates bleed out and you have to clutch.

Those criterias all work in synergy with each other. So only being able to solo means nothing really, but combining it with something else can make it mean a lot.

[Caineghis2500]

dumdum2 wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

Please don't argue with dunvi. If she thinks soloing isn't a marker of individual skill then let her be. She's not a soloer so don't waste your time. I for one thought that the word "solo" relates to the word "individual" meaning one's self..... Ah meh what do I know?

Glad to see you're back Cain, I had to take my first 24 hour ban yesterday for defending you in a thread. You sure like to stir sh*t up 

Hmmm uh no. You got yourself banned. Blame yourself not me.

[ISHYGDDT]

lightswitch wrote...

MasterReefa wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

being good at soloing just means you're good at kiting. woop de do.

You make it sound like it's something brain dead easy.
Getting a sketchy device, or soloing glacier takes some skill and I use that word lightly.

the point is that it's one skill. not proof of some broad spectrum of skills. A prolific soloist does not necessarily a great player make.

RedJohn wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

being good at soloing just means you're good at kiting. woop de do.

Only if it last more than 25 ( gold ) or more than 34-35 ( plat )

ISHYGDDT wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

being good at soloing just means you're good at kiting. woop de do.

Obviously, all I did was kite, kite, kite:
*snip*

Originally I thought about adding the stipulation that it's a different case when the solo is under a certain time limit, probably 25 for gold. But I'm more interested in talking about the fact that most solos don't really prove a whole lot in terms of skill level.

The only skill necessary to top every single team scoreboard ever is the ability to get to the next spawn 2 seconds sooner than anyone else, so I don't know what you're implying by saying soloing is 'only one skill'.  

[dumdum2]

caineghis2500 wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

Please don't argue with dunvi. If she thinks soloing isn't a marker of individual skill then let her be. She's not a soloer so don't waste your time. I for one thought that the word "solo" relates to the word "individual" meaning one's self..... Ah meh what do I know?

Glad to see you're back Cain, I had to take my first 24 hour ban yesterday for defending you in a thread. You sure like to stir sh*t up 

Hmmm uh no. You got yourself banned. Blame yourself not me.

Yup, trying to be nice never pays off 

[cowwy]

Basically the soloing criteria is completely arbitrary for one, because after you say it you have to immediately clarify that it's without using X Y and Z kits because those are broken and certain maps take less skill and a dozen other qualifications to make it hold any water.

Personally I think there's not a whole lot in this game that is truly indicative of skill because of how much cheese and glitches and broken mechanics there are.

[d_nought]

Lol @ everyone being so pedantic about what constitutes skill. 

What is a good player in this game? They're good at most of everything. Can play well with either OP or hipster classes (compared to other players using the same kits), on Gold or Platinum, solo or in a team. They have good aim, good tactics and good teamwork and don't get pigeonholed in to thinking one mode of play is all you need. They also don't makes endless stupid posts on BSN. Of course, playing only PvE and thinking it's skilled is also a mode of pigeonholing, which is part of the reason I have stopped doing challenge runs for this game and pretty much only play casually on rare occasions.

Modifié par d_nought, 28 juin 2013 - 09:37 .

[ss9876]

Nathyrra wrote...

Ok my version of it:
the definition of average cited by wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average
"Average usually means the sum of a list of numbers divided by the size of the list, in other words the arithmetic mean. ..."
In my view that does not leave much room for own opinion or interpretatation, rather defining the collective of players you are looking at and take it from there to get your result :

I think you may have stopped reading the article too early. It says:
"In colloquial language average usually means the sum of a list of numbers divided by the size of the list, in other words the arithmetic mean. However it can alternatively mean the median, the mode, or some other central or typical value."

There are three common types of average: mean, median and mode. As to which makes most sense, it depends on the data you are trying to average.

In my opinion, median makes the most sense for average player skill. i.e. for the median player, 50% of players are more skillful and 50% of players less skillful.

From Eric Fagnan's statistics, 79% of matches are played on Bronze / Silver. Looking at the statistics, I would think the median player plays Silver.

Modifié par ss9876, 28 juin 2013 - 10:25 .

[Big Yeti Cane]

I think that good players:
-know their kits
-work together
-rez when they can
-attempt to complete wave objectives as a team
Beyond that it is a matter of skill, playtime and unlocks.
Bad players can be very skilled and good players can be new to the whole fps scene.

Cheers!

Modifié par Big Yeti Cane, 28 juin 2013 - 10:26 .

[LuckyBullet95]

Looking at Fagnan's stats... making it past Wave 3 Gold...