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[Faulcun]

Of course there are rules. But they are simply designed to keep people nice to each other. No personal attacks on other people.

But you surely wont get banned for loving steak. I can tell you that.

edit: on top of that, if there is a problem, it can easily be addressed.

Modifié par Faulcun, 26 juin 2013 - 05:45 .

[FateNeverEnds]

Can we call people scrubs there?

[dysturbed0ne]

Faulcun wrote...

Of course there are rules. But they are simply designed to keep people nice to each other. No personal attacks on other people.

But you surely wont get banned for loving steak. I can tell you that.

edit: on top of that, if there is a problem, it can easily be addressed.

What if they don't want to be nice to each other? And whos idea of "nice" will you model your rules after, because believe me, people have different ideas of what that means.

What happens you get a group of people that don't agree with your definition of nice, or on topic. Are you going to bend, and if so how much? Are you going to stand by the rules you put in place, or keep changing them as you receive different opinions?

BW tolorated the stuff that happen in the MP section, until it just got too out of hand (which it did). You can blame BW all you want, it is members of the community, and their lack of self-control, that brought on the new mods. You all should thank them.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

dysturbed0ne wrote...

BW tolorated the stuff that happen in the MP section, until it just got too out of hand (which it did). You can blame BW all you want, it is members of the community, and their lack of self-control, that brought on the new mods. You all should thank them.

You have an interesting interpretation of causality.

It's a pretty big stretch, to describe an event that occured as a consequence of a change, as a cause of that change.

[Faulcun]

bottom line is, the community will evolve and change within itself. while a little administration is good, i believe its over the top here. Sometimes people react to stupid things to prove a point.

In the end, the community will be built even if people from here decide not to be apart of it. I'm simply offering an alternative. Thats all

[NuclearTech76]

dysturbed0ne wrote...

Faulcun wrote...

Of course there are rules. But they are simply designed to keep people nice to each other. No personal attacks on other people.

But you surely wont get banned for loving steak. I can tell you that.

edit: on top of that, if there is a problem, it can easily be addressed.

What if they don't want to be nice to each other? And whos idea of "nice" will you model your rules after, because believe me, people have different ideas of what that means.

What happens you get a group of people that don't agree with your definition of nice, or on topic. Are you going to bend, and if so how much? Are you going to stand by the rules you put in place, or keep changing them as you receive different opinions?

BW tolorated the stuff that happen in the MP section, until it just got too out of hand (which it did). You can blame BW all you want, it is members of the community, and their lack of self-control, that brought on the new mods. You all should thank them.

EL OLE EL.

I'm sure that there is a perfectly legitimate reason why Jessica Merizan decided to implement the new PM policy which is currently in place which makes it damn hard to have socialization on a "social" network.

I'm sure there is a perfectly legitmate reason for Bioware mods deleting whole viable discussion topics instead of posts which violate the code of conduct.

I'm sure there is a legitimate reason why Bioware Mods decide to delete threads of people looking for friends to play with.

I'm sure that all these legitmate reasons have a lot to do with their parent company that has "artistic integrity" yet no integrity whatsoever and no loyality to boot to it's own employees.

[NuclearTech76]

And just like that the Stan signal probably tipped into the red.

[Faulcun]

its ok. like i said before, i have this whole thread saved. if its closed or deleted/moved, then ill repost it where i know its safe.

Unfortunately, people have a lot to say about this, but funny enough want to endure it even more.

[dysturbed0ne]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

dysturbed0ne wrote...

BW tolorated the stuff that happen in the MP section, until it just got too out of hand (which it did). You can blame BW all you want, it is members of the community, and their lack of self-control, that brought on the new mods. You all should thank them.

You have an interesting interpretation of causality.

It's a pretty big stretch, to describe an event that occured as a consequence of a change, as a cause of that change.

One event? I never said it was one event. It was poster after poster derailing topics, belittling, attacking, posting gifs, spamming non-sense and the list goes on. For a while this place was only fun if you were included in the "in crowd", otherwise it was pretty hostile.

People forget kids visit this site and BW needs to protect them the best they can. I'm sure (in light of recent events) a few people can understand how dumb you can feel when you blindly attack someone only to find out it's a 13 y/o kid. Even if the person you are attacking is an adult, there are kids watching, and people should respect that.

[NuclearTech76]

dysturbed0ne wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

dysturbed0ne wrote...

BW tolorated the stuff that happen in the MP section, until it just got too out of hand (which it did). You can blame BW all you want, it is members of the community, and their lack of self-control, that brought on the new mods. You all should thank them.

You have an interesting interpretation of causality.

It's a pretty big stretch, to describe an event that occured as a consequence of a change, as a cause of that change.

One event? I never said it was one event. It was poster after poster derailing topics, belittling, attacking, posting gifs, spamming non-sense and the list goes on. For a while this place was only fun if you were included in the "in crowd", otherwise it was pretty hostile.

People forget kids visit this site and BW needs to protect them the best they can. I'm sure (in light of recent events) a few people can understand how dumb you can feel when you blindly attack someone only to find out it's a 13 y/o kid. Even if the person you are attacking is an adult, there are kids watching, and people should respect that.

It's a rated mature game. And it's the internet, there are a helluva lot worse places to visit out there.

FWIW I agree personal attacks shouldn't be allowed. Hell I've stepped over that line at times myself and got banned for it. Zero problems with that. But them going off the reservation and deleting any thread with any humor in it whatsoever is BS. Bjorn's thread was something like "Ineberiated Dwarf looking for friends to play with" but thanks to happy go lucky mod bot (who gives a damn what number) that one gets deleted for not being ME3 MP related. Several more incidents outside of that specific one which is just ridiculous.

[FateNeverEnds]

dysturbed0ne wrote...

One event? I never said it was one event. It was poster after poster derailing topics, belittling, attacking, posting gifs, spamming non-sense and the list goes on. For a while this place was only fun if you were included in the "in crowd", otherwise it was pretty hostile.

People forget kids visit this site and BW needs to protect them the best they can. I'm sure (in light of recent events) a few people can understand how dumb you can feel when you blindly attack someone only to find out it's a 13 y/o kid. Even if the person you are attacking is an adult, there are kids watching, and people should respect that.

I believe ME game series have an M printed on the box for a reason. If you can't keep your children from playing a game made for an adult audience it's not a random page's moderators' duty to do so.

Can I ask how old are you?

Modifié par FateNeverEnds, 26 juin 2013 - 07:53 .

[NuclearTech76]

FateNeverEnds wrote...

dysturbed0ne wrote...

One event? I never said it was one event. It was poster after poster derailing topics, belittling, attacking, posting gifs, spamming non-sense and the list goes on. For a while this place was only fun if you were included in the "in crowd", otherwise it was pretty hostile.

People forget kids visit this site and BW needs to protect them the best they can. I'm sure (in light of recent events) a few people can understand how dumb you can feel when you blindly attack someone only to find out it's a 13 y/o kid. Even if the person you are attacking is an adult, there are kids watching, and people should respect that.

I believe ME game series have an M printed on the box for a reason. If you can't keep your children from playing a game made for an adult audience it's not a random page's moderators to do so.

One of these days when I want to have "the talk" with one of my kids. I think I'll just send them to the romance section of ME. Should confuse the utter hell out of them.

[dysturbed0ne]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

*snip*

EL OLE EL.

I'm sure that there is a perfectly legitimate reason why Jessica Merizan decided to implement the new PM policy which is currently in place which makes it damn hard to have socialization on a "social" network.

>>>I'm sure she did. She also made a topic to provide feedback. I also think she said the issue in still in a state of eveolution.

I'm sure there is a perfectly legitmate reason for Bioware mods deleting whole viable discussion topics instead of posts which violate the code of conduct.

>>>doing what they were told I assume, otherwise they won't be doing it for long.

I'm sure there is a legitimate reason why Bioware Mods decide to delete threads of people looking for friends to play with.

>>>I see a few "looking for friends" threads on the front page right now. I'm sure they deleted the ones you are talking about for a reason, or maybe they have lightened up since then.

I'm sure that all these legitmate reasons have a lot to do with their parent company that has "artistic integrity" yet no integrity whatsoever and no loyality to boot to it's own employees.

It's like being pissed at one cop for enforcing the rules stricter then another cop, either way you broke the rules. People should be mature enough to understand they are just doing their job and no two people do it the exact same way.

edit: I would have specified "unless you are 13 y/o", but I have seen more maturity from some sub 18 posters than some of the adults around here.

Modifié par dysturbed0ne, 26 juin 2013 - 08:06 .

[dysturbed0ne]

FateNeverEnds wrote...

dysturbed0ne wrote...

One event? I never said it was one event. It was poster after poster derailing topics, belittling, attacking, posting gifs, spamming non-sense and the list goes on. For a while this place was only fun if you were included in the "in crowd", otherwise it was pretty hostile.

People forget kids visit this site and BW needs to protect them the best they can. I'm sure (in light of recent events) a few people can understand how dumb you can feel when you blindly attack someone only to find out it's a 13 y/o kid. Even if the person you are attacking is an adult, there are kids watching, and people should respect that.

I believe ME game series have an M printed on the box for a reason. If you can't keep your children from playing a game made for an adult audience it's not a random page's moderators' duty to do so.

Can I ask how old are you?

It's a video game forum, even with a rated "m", you have to assume it is flooded with kids.

If this was the playboy channel forum I could see your point.

Sure, I'm 41. I also work in law enforcement, which may help you undersatnd my point of view somewhat.

[NuclearTech76]

dysturbed0ne wrote...
It's like being pissed at one cop for enforcing the rules stricter then another cop, either way you broke the rules. People should be mature enough to understand they are just doing their job and no two people do it the exact same way.

edit: I would have specified "unless you are 13 y/o", but I have seen more maturity from some sub 18 posters than some of the adults around here.

Changing the whole atmosphere of a website from fun and engaging to boring as hell and Draconian in nature is completely over board.

[Faulcun]

In all fairness.... you have to declare your age before you can even get to the forums. So if there was a 13yr old in here, then he lied.

[NuclearTech76]

dysturbed0ne wrote...

FateNeverEnds wrote...

dysturbed0ne wrote...

One event? I never said it was one event. It was poster after poster derailing topics, belittling, attacking, posting gifs, spamming non-sense and the list goes on. For a while this place was only fun if you were included in the "in crowd", otherwise it was pretty hostile.

People forget kids visit this site and BW needs to protect them the best they can. I'm sure (in light of recent events) a few people can understand how dumb you can feel when you blindly attack someone only to find out it's a 13 y/o kid. Even if the person you are attacking is an adult, there are kids watching, and people should respect that.

I believe ME game series have an M printed on the box for a reason. If you can't keep your children from playing a game made for an adult audience it's not a random page's moderators' duty to do so.

Can I ask how old are you?

It's a video game forum, even with a rated "m", you have to assume it is flooded with kids.

If this was the playboy channel forum I could see your point.

Sure, I'm 41. I also work in law enforcement, which may help you undersatnd my point of view somewhat.

Honestly if parents are allowing there kids unsupervised internet time, I doubt the ME website is even an issue unless they happened upon it during the Baconpocolypse.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

dysturbed0ne wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

dysturbed0ne wrote...

BW tolorated the stuff that happen in the MP section, until it just got too out of hand (which it did). You can blame BW all you want, it is members of the community, and their lack of self-control, that brought on the new mods. You all should thank them.

You have an interesting interpretation of causality.

It's a pretty big stretch, to describe an event that occured as a consequence of a change, as a cause of that change.

One event? I never said it was one event. It was poster after poster derailing topics, belittling, attacking, posting gifs, spamming non-sense and the list goes on. For a while this place was only fun if you were included in the "in crowd", otherwise it was pretty hostile.

People forget kids visit this site and BW needs to protect them the best they can. I'm sure (in light of recent events) a few people can understand how dumb you can feel when you blindly attack someone only to find out it's a 13 y/o kid. Even if the person you are attacking is an adult, there are kids watching, and people should respect that.

You have an interesting interpretation of causality. You again used an example that happened after the change as a cause for that change.

The change was primarily made for security reasons. It is probably a temporary change, given what has been said by BioWare, so far. It did not occur because of anything that happened in the MP section.

The new Mods were not added at the request of the existing MP moderation. They are paid employees, which means they were added at the corporate level. It's flattering that you think the people who make you angry have so much influence over executive corporate decisions, but it's extremely unrealistic.

Instead of getting upset at the people who use the MP forum, and enjoy it, why not visit a forum that you actually enjoy visiting? 

That is, after all, the point of this thread, isn't it? Why not take Faulcun up on his offer?

[dysturbed0ne]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

*snip*

You have an interesting interpretation of causality. You again used an example that happened after the change as a cause for that change.

The change was primarily made for security reasons. It is probably a temporary change, given what has been said by BioWare, so far. It did not occur because of anything that happened in the MP section.

The new Mods were not added at the request of the existing MP moderation. They are paid employees, which means they were added at the corporate level. It's flattering that you think the people who make you angry have so much influence over executive corporate decisions, but it's extremely unrealistic.

Instead of getting upset at the people who use the MP forum, and enjoy it, why not visit a forum that you actually enjoy visiting? 

That is, after all, the point of this thread, isn't it? Why not take Faulcun up on his offer?

Those examples were all happing long before the new mods got here, and are really vague, so I'm not quite sure how you are pinning it down to a specific time frame.

Clearly you are more in the know about why they are here than I, and I never assumed it was only because of the MP section. This is the only section I really visit, so it is the only one I can comment on. Unless you work for BW, I think it is safe to assume we are all assuming. And yea, I have read the RI thread.

Nobody here has ever made me angry. This is a disscussion forum and sometimes I discuss things. None of it comes from anger, you have never seen me name call or flame anyone. I just give my point of view and respond to the responses, if there are any.

[tjh_ca]

Faulcun wrote...

In all fairness.... you have to declare your age before you can even get to the forums. So if there was a 13yr old in here, then he lied.

Not necessarily.  I just tested it - you can create an account with a birthdate declaring yourself under 18 years of age.  

As for the argument others have made - while the Mass Effect series is rated M, some of the other BioWare games, such as ST:KoTOR are not.  I've seen mods making it clear a number of times that even if the game you are visiting the subsection of is rated M, the forums for that game are not.

I certainly don't agree with a number of the recent decisions made by forum admins and mods; I'm just saying that the forums are clearly not intended as an adults only playground.

[Malanek]

People shouldn't be banned for posting images. People shouldn't be banned for quote pyramids. People shouldn't be banned for making jokes about quote pyramids. Nor for thread necro, innuendo, going off topic, having fun or any other harmless activity.

The game is over a year old, additional support has stopped and the community should be a fun light hearted place. This was never a partcularly nasty message board. In fact amongst computer game sites it has always been one of the best imo. The community is by and large friendly and they help one another. It's fast moving enough that spam isn't even really a serious problem, such threads just drop away quickly. If people start making personal attacks on others, that is when bans should happen.

I genuinely believe that mods have been significantly too heavy handed in their approach to policing things here. And because many in the community tend to be naturally rebellious, they rebel by making sarcastic jokes to mock or challenge the mods, which while being out of line, never needed to happen in the first place. Being a moderator is not a job I would like, they are needed to stop things getting out of line. But, imo, they have placed that line way out from where it should be.

[SofaJockey]

morph4037 wrote...

Came back after a couple month long hiatus and get greeted with that lovely warning...I take it, it's been a bit worse of a cesspool around here than normal?

I just did the same after a three month break. 
Will warm up soon to completing the last 5% Spectre Mastery and a few Gold Map Mastery's to finish BotB.

And I think it seems calmer here on BSN - not quite so toxic.
A bit like enjoying a (beverage of choice) on a warm day with comfortable friends...

(sigh)

[FateNeverEnds]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

One of these days when I want to have "the talk" with one of my kids. I think I'll just send them to the romance section of ME. Should confuse the utter hell out of them.

lmao I wouldn't recommend that. But you know better:innocent:

dysturbed0ne wrote...

It's a video game forum, even with a rated "m", you have to assume it is flooded with kids.

If this was the playboy channel forum I could see your point.

Sure, I'm 41. I also work in law enforcement, which may help you undersatnd my point of view somewhat.

I don't like that line of thinking. I really think games rated M or AO are no different from a porn movie because they're simply not designed for kids. They both will corrupt it one way or another, so why should be a kid playing such games? For the same reason they'd watch a porn movie. It's not right, but still some do it.

Whatever your job is, this is a forum created for us to have fun, and I hardly see that happening anymore. If we all had your mindset the MP forum would be reduced to a place where some people would ask the same questions that have been answered a thousand times before.

I just fail to see what the social factor of the BSN is lately.

Also:

Malanek999 wrote...

People shouldn't be banned for posting images. People shouldn't be banned for quote pyramids. People shouldn't be banned for making jokes about quote pyramids. Nor for thread necro, innuendo, going off topic, having fun or any other harmless activity. 

The game is over a year old, additional support has stopped and the community should be a fun light hearted place. This was never a partcularly nasty message board. In fact amongst computer game sites it has always been one of the best imo. The community is by and large friendly and they help one another. It's fast moving enough that spam isn't even really a serious problem, such threads just drop away quickly. If people start making personal attacks on others, that is when bans should happen. 

I genuinely believe that mods have been significantly too heavy handed in their approach to policing things here. And because many in the community tend to be naturally rebellious, they rebel by making sarcastic jokes to mock or challenge the mods, which while being out of line, never needed to happen in the first place. Being a moderator is not a job I would like, they are needed to stop things getting out of line. But, imo, they have placed that line way out from where it should be.

+1

Modifié par FateNeverEnds, 26 juin 2013 - 09:42 .

[dysturbed0ne]

Fate, I understand your point, but like someone said earlier, the game is rated M, not the forum. This is a social networking site, the problem is you are focusing on a single aspect of it. There is a section for different things, including off topic, which is far more lenient. You want a meme thread there, then make one, it shouldn't be a problem in the off topic section. Of course someone will go to far and post something inappropriate, and everyone will come down on "the man" again because they deleted a post or had to lock the thread. There is the group section that can be for everything else. You want to have fun in a single section out of convenience, but BW clearly wants the sections to be specific.

If I was Jessica, I would done things differently. I would have posted that there were going to be changes, maybe a brief description behind the reasoning, and alternatives, which you and your friends have already made use of. RI's thread went a long way, I think Jessica doing something similar would have gone even further.

Modifié par dysturbed0ne, 27 juin 2013 - 02:21 .