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[ISHYGDDT]

krizalid9999 wrote...

I'd say paladin , his "beast" status only comes from the cryo explosion bug on the snap freeze.

I wish it could be fixed , it's annoying to get that broken glass deafening sound every 2 seconds when you fight next to a paladin.

 Wrong.  His beast status comes from being able to melee prime targets for fire explosions and flameshield/incendiary cheese twice a second, being immune to damage during his melee attack, having incinerate so he's capable of incinerate/incendiary cheese AND being able to prime multiple targets with any protections simultaneously through walls for a double-damage cryo explosion with snap freeze.

Also, why are you right next to another teammate?

Modifié par ISHYGDDT, 26 juin 2013 - 03:47 .

[dudemacha]

ClydeInTheShell wrote...

krizalid9999 wrote...

No , the bug is about the snap freeze priming targets for cryo explosions even when they have shields and armors , cryo explosions are supposed to happen only when a target is FULLY frozen (with only red lifebar and a moment after impact by the power ) . It is a HUGE advantage .

I didn't know that. I thought the bug was that on rank 6 the 100% damage boost on explosions didn't work.

I didn't know that it wasn't supposed to prime shields, barriers & armor; I agree that it is a huge advantage.

The bug was that you always got the 100% combo modifier regardless if you choose that evo or not.....but recently it was tested and found that it now only applies if you choose that evo

Also snap freeze as in insta freeze which is necessary for a CE is what it does regardless of defense.....so its probably working as intended

[Creator Limbs]

I think the Destroyer is overrated. Granted, I only started to really play him after Devastator Mode was nerfed.

[ClydeInTheShell]

Nik6454 wrote...

The bug was that you always got the 100% combo modifier regardless if you choose that evo or not.....but recently it was tested and found that it now only applies if you choose that evo

Also snap freeze as in insta freeze which is necessary for a CE is what it does regardless of defense.....so its probably working as intended

In my opinion then, it's balanced because when snap freeze detonates a fire explosion or tech burst and it lights up around him as opposed to the target.

......nah, the snap freeze bug is a pretty big advantage.

[It IS Lupus]

I don't mind the Paladin as long as they aren't snap freeze spamming. Had people do that to me and a friend. over rode all of our biotic explosions. We kick people playing Paladins now.

[iOnlySignIn]

Fury - Neither underrated nor overrated. She's godly and people know it.

Destroyer - Slightly overrated. He's better than other Soldiers with only one weapon (Typhoon).

Demolisher - Quite overrated. She's decent and very n00b friendly but on the weaker side among Engineers.

Shadow - Quite underrated. She's actually extremely powerful (even among Infiltrators), but quite tricky to learn.

Paladin - Quite overrated. His Fire Shield is his only unique asset, but it's very situational.

Slayer - Neither underrated nor overrated. He's an extremely mobile tech detonator and that's it.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 26 juin 2013 - 04:38 .

[dudemacha]

It IS Lupus wrote...

I don't mind the Paladin as long as they aren't snap freeze spamming. Had people do that to me and a friend. over rode all of our biotic explosions. We kick people playing Paladins now.

Fury is the only adept im willing to play in a team with paladins as she has AF which overrides every other prime and i can keep detonating their combos while backing up and then go in for another BE......or cast DC and keep throwing as i will detonate all of the paladins combo and can eventually detonate my DC

[Lucky]

krizalid9999 wrote...
No , the bug is about the snap freeze priming targets for cryo explosions even when they have shields and armors , cryo explosions are supposed to happen only when a target is FULLY frozen (with only red lifebar and a moment after impact by the power ) . It is a HUGE advantage .

Link to where that was stated to be a bug?

Pull only primes health for biotic explosions just like cryo blast only primes health for cryo explosions.

Warp primes anything for a biotic explosion, just like snap freeze primes anything for a cryo explosion.

I have never seen it stated that snap freeze's priming was not working as intended.

[Lucky]

Nik6454 wrote...
The bug was that you always got the 100% combo modifier regardless if you choose that evo or not.....but recently it was tested and found that it now only applies if you choose that evo

Also snap freeze as in insta freeze which is necessary for a CE is what it does regardless of defense.....so its probably working as intended

Wait what? Someone did a test and found you now need the bonus explosion evo to get the bonus?

Link please!

[dudemacha]

rlucht wrote...

Nik6454 wrote...
The bug was that you always got the 100% combo modifier regardless if you choose that evo or not.....but recently it was tested and found that it now only applies if you choose that evo

Also snap freeze as in insta freeze which is necessary for a CE is what it does regardless of defense.....so its probably working as intended

Wait what? Someone did a test and found you now need the bonus explosion evo to get the bonus?

Link please!

sorry cant link it as im mobile......but do a google search on it "snap freeze retested "
Edit : looks like the test was edited again....

Modifié par Nik6454, 26 juin 2013 - 05:16 .

[Deerber]

Nik6454 wrote...

rlucht wrote...

Nik6454 wrote...
The bug was that you always got the 100% combo modifier regardless if you choose that evo or not.....but recently it was tested and found that it now only applies if you choose that evo

Also snap freeze as in insta freeze which is necessary for a CE is what it does regardless of defense.....so its probably working as intended

Wait what? Someone did a test and found you now need the bonus explosion evo to get the bonus?

Link please!

sorry cant link it as im mobile......but do a google search on it "snap freeze retested "

You need evo 4 reach, not evo 6 bonus explosion. Yeah, working as intended.

[doozerdude]

Demolisher. So... Boring...

[dudemacha]

Deerber wrote...

Nik6454 wrote...

rlucht wrote...

Nik6454 wrote...
The bug was that you always got the 100% combo modifier regardless if you choose that evo or not.....but recently it was tested and found that it now only applies if you choose that evo

Also snap freeze as in insta freeze which is necessary for a CE is what it does regardless of defense.....so its probably working as intended

Wait what? Someone did a test and found you now need the bonus explosion evo to get the bonus?

Link please!

sorry cant link it as im mobile......but do a google search on it "snap freeze retested "

You need evo 4 reach, not evo 6 bonus explosion. Yeah, working as intended.

Yeah just noticed that the post was edited and reach gives 2x combos

[cato potato]

rlucht wrote...

krizalid9999 wrote...
No , the bug is about the snap freeze priming targets for cryo explosions even when they have shields and armors , cryo explosions are supposed to happen only when a target is FULLY frozen (with only red lifebar and a moment after impact by the power ) . It is a HUGE advantage .

Link to where that was stated to be a bug?

Pull only primes health for biotic explosions just like cryo blast only primes health for cryo explosions.

Warp primes anything for a biotic explosion, just like snap freeze primes anything for a cryo explosion.

I have never seen it stated that snap freeze's priming was not working as intended.

I think krizalid is correct on this one rlucht. Check out the balance change thread here.

Relevant quote from Eric Fagnan:

Cryo Explosion Power Combo
- Like Biotic Explosion or Tech Burst combos, this combo can now occur without killing the target.
- The target must still be fully frozen to be detonated.
- Damage increased from [50-125] to [75-200]
- Impact radius decreased from [3-5] meters to [2-4] meters

[landylan]

XFG-65 wrote...

The paladin deals spectacular area damage, I personally don't consider him overrated.
Destroyer - amazing.
Demolisher - amazing.
Fury - amazing.
Shadow - not quite my cup of tea, she's decent, a little overrated perhaps.

Slayer - the most overrated in my opinion. I dislike him. In fact, I hate him. Rarely use him, don't like the way he plays.

Slayer's overrated? You're a good troll.

The demolisher is the worst, but she's not really even overrated since people don't even use her.

[Boog_89]

Fury

Valkyrie is better, a lot better.

[CrimsonN7]

Me.

[SilentStep79]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Me.

stahp!!!

[Credit2team]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Me.

oh don't be so harsh on yourself, n7link is far worse:lol:

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Well...

Destroyer: Can't be... since in the hands of the lamest of the lame, he is the deadliest character. If not glitching, still absurdly powerful.

Demolisher: Has some pretty crazy offensive output, so hard to be overrated when you can carry a tonne of grenades that can combo with each other.

Fury: Not overrated, since she can do everything everyone talks about.

Shadow: Often maligned as one of the worst characters in the game, and rarely described as powerful. Therefore, underrated, if anything.

Slayer: Deadly in the hands of those who know him, squishy in the hands of those that don't - so not overrated, since that is how he is usually described.

Paladin: Accurately rated as a strong offensive class, with a variety of potential builds and styles.

So... none of them are overrated, in my opinion.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Brad_8333 wrote...

Shadow. Partly because it used to be really strong before it got nerfed, and partly due to the fact that shadow strike was never strong enough to be used effectively above Gold.

I... I...

*sigh*

Never mind.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

It IS Lupus wrote...

I don't mind the Paladin as long as they aren't snap freeze spamming. Had people do that to me and a friend. over rode all of our biotic explosions. We kick people playing Paladins now.

I think you misunderstood what was happening. You can set off both explosions. The "prime overwrite" is misleading... it doesn't "delete" the original prime, it moves ahead of it in the "detonation" queu. If you follow up with a second detonator before the original Biotic prime ends, you will set off both explosions - for a lot more total damage. I've done it many, many times with Warp, Incendiary Ammo and Throw, or with Snap Freeze, Warp, and Throw.

That Paladin was actually helping you, as he was also debuffing the targets and increasing all forms of damage.

Unless, of course, you were upset that he was getting credit for the kills.

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 26 juin 2013 - 07:43 .

[SKhalazza]

N7 Paladin is the best power centric kit in the game. How can he be overrated ? He's godly against ALL enemies in ALL factions. Can you tell one thing that is week about him ?
Power/Power Combo -> Godly
Melee -> Godly
Dodge -> Godly
Survival -> Godly
Weapon -> Godly (the bonus from SF is huge dps wise) for a power class
Health/shield -> Above average

The only one that can be seen as overrated is the slayer, only because he is bad off-host. Without lag/delay he would be strong overall.

[doozerdude]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

It IS Lupus wrote...

I don't mind the Paladin as long as they aren't snap freeze spamming. Had people do that to me and a friend. over rode all of our biotic explosions. We kick people playing Paladins now.

I think you misunderstood what was happening. You can set off both explosions. The "prime overwrite" is misleading... it doesn't "delete" the original prime, it moves ahead of it in the "detonation" queu. If you follow up with a second detonator before the original Biotic prime ends, you will set off both explosions - for a lot more total damage. I've done it many, many times with Warp, Incendiary Ammo and Throw, or with Snap Freeze, Warp, and Throw.

That Paladin was actually helping you, as he was also debuffing the targets and increasing all forms of damage.

Unless, of course, you were upset that he was getting credit for the kills.

No... Just no.

Snap-cheat overwrites. Only on boss units will you be able to get in a BE, (and thats only once or twice), when you have a Paladin on your team.

I'm sorry, but when I play a biotic, I am not there to support you. I am playing biotic to make wubwub BE combos. And after getting one wub BE, I'm all geared up for the next wub BE, for teh wubwub comboception. But then some snapcheat herdur gets in the way with his ear cracking clangy annoying as heeeell cryo...

I don't care about score, 90% of the time I'm #1 anyways. But what I do care about is noobs f*cking my ears. I could easily solo, you are not helping me, you are jsut breaking my audio, and trolling your teammates.

[TopTrog]

I don´t know how to assess overratedness, but maybe its the Destroyer because I think he is the most played character on higher difficulties. He´s very powerful, but not all that much fun to play for me anymore. Demolisher and Paladin are also very strong but I don´t really enjoy playing them. I like Fury and Slayer most, but that´s just personal taste.

Modifié par TopTrog, 26 juin 2013 - 09:58 .