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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

dreamgazer wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

I thought we had agreed to avoid beating around the bush with semantics? Regardless, "intent," which appears in both definitions, strongly implies that the destruction was the primary goal or the purpose of the destruction, where it really isn't in Destroy.

Well, you're intending on committing genocide in the destroy ending (and in MEHEM), just not of the geth.

In the case of the reapers it is called culling.

[KaiserShep]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
The only reason for tacking on "the geth and EDI on the Destroy ending to taint it was to sell Control and Synthesis, otherwise no one would have picked them.

This is exactly what I think of this consequence. We could argue reaper code this and reaper code that, but none of this is particularly meaningful, because none of it is explained, and in the case of the geth, it's even dumber that reaper code should make any difference at all, because they are purely software. Does the crucible target software? Who the hell knows, but the geth themselves are not augmented by the reapers, and can transfer their consciousness into the hardware of the Quarians' suits, which is DEFINITELY not related to reaper technology at all. The reapers, however, ARE unique in their construction. Their very makeup sets them well apart from other synthetics, because they are, as EDI explained, a hybrid. Why can't the Crucible target this? Because selective space magic. The very idea that the Crucible can differentiate between synthetic beings and regular, non-sentient hardware, but cannot tell the difference between the reapers and the Geth and EDI goes well beyond any absurdity in the entire trilogy. It's completely tacked on, and meant solely to get Shepard to say "There has to be another way", which is the lead-in for the other options. If EDI and the geth could be spared, there would be no way to introduce the other options. They would be completely defunct, since no normal person is going to seriously go "Hmmm, what else does this thing do?"

Modifié par KaiserShep, 29 juin 2013 - 07:51 .

[SpamBot2000]

iakus wrote...

drayfish wrote...

Given that the circumstances of the game's narrative are without any precedent, please provide an alternate word for an act that is, by definition, a knowingly targeted extermination of an antire race of beings.

Xenocide.  The extermination of a species, 

Since we are doing semantics, it should be pointed out that the prefix "xeno" would refer to something "alien" or foreign. From the Greek "xenos", meaning "stranger". This would mean the exterminated species was seen as specifically outside the sphere of familiarity. Arguably reverting to such distancing terminology would go against the progress of the ME narrative, that seemingly was very concerned with bringing the alien other into familiarity, as seen in the way the Geth go from inscrutable killbots into allies during the story. 

Obviously you could play a xenophobe Shepard who never accepts the Geth as other than "toasters", itself a perfect example of deliberate distancing term used in Battlestar Galactica in reference to the Cylons. But that is arguably playing "against the grain" of the narrative, so to speak.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 29 juin 2013 - 10:45 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

So the game went from excellent to amazing a little over a year ago? Sweet.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

So the game went from excellent to amazing a little over a year ago? Sweet.

Way to contribute - have another chevo for that magnificent signature of yours! X

Contribute to what?

[Archonsg]

Killdren88 wrote...

I'll wait for the MEHEM Anniversary to be happy. I don't make a Habit of celebrating failure.

You sir, deserves a beer.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Archonsg wrote...

Killdren88 wrote...

I'll wait for the MEHEM Anniversary to be happy. I don't make a Habit of celebrating failure.

You sir, deserves a beer.

Why? I'm not sure I understand. Unless I missed something, it seems that he was saying that the Extended Cut was a failure, which is clearly wrong. MEHEM on the other hand, is a failure on many levels, but that can be forgiven of course, considering that it's made by a fan. 

Now, the part that confuses me, is why he says that he'll be happy for the anniversary of MEHEM, and then that he don't want to celebrate failure. How does this make any sense?

[Kataphrut94]

My favourite part of the Extended Cut was the bit where we see what happens to the husks. Not just because the outcomes fit with each ending and are some good food for thought, but because it felt like the only thing in the entire DLC that was an act of genuine creativity as opposed to pandering. Though on reflection, Rannoch as a wasteland, Synthesis curing the genophage and the Zaeed and Synthesis Kasumi epilogue slides come close.

Also, I like how it confirmed that the reason Joker was escaping Earth was because he needed to avoid the giant Reaper-killing laser. Such a simple answer, but I feel vindicated because I'm pretty sure no one apart from me worked out that was what was happening before the EC came out.

[ioannisdenton]

Finished my trilogy once again. This time i sticked with Synthesis. I hated it.
But man, EDI sounded so emotional it tore me up.
Fantastic!
EC was the best thing that happened to Me3.
Mass effect is the best thing that ever happened to gaming.

[Khayness]

Refusal was cool.

Come to think of it, it means I haven't touched the trillogy in a year, now that's some achievement because it includes two of my top 5 most replayed games.

[ioannisdenton]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Killdren88 wrote...

I'll wait for the MEHEM Anniversary to be happy. I don't make a Habit of celebrating failure.

You sir, deserves a beer.

Why? I'm not sure I understand. Unless I missed something, it seems that he was saying that the Extended Cut was a failure, which is clearly wrong. MEHEM on the other hand, is a failure on many levels, but that can be forgiven of course, considering that it's made by a fan. 

Now, the part that confuses me, is why he says that he'll be happy for the anniversary of MEHEM, and then that he don't want to celebrate failure. How does this make any sense?

Undeniable FACT: EC is way much more emotional and fulfilling then Mehem. Funny thing is that some people who hate headcanoning actually play Mehem which is 100% fun made ergo heacanon!
EC saved the trilogy. And all these asspull plotholes about the catalast... whay is so hard to understand?
Some People choose on purpose to find plotholes and they do, plotholes are there only if someone choses to search and make them.
I am fine with speculations, i cannot find plotholes anymore.
This whole complaining thing is such a disservice for Bioware.

Modifié par ioannisdenton, 29 juin 2013 - 01:43 .

[Clayless]

drayfish wrote...

-opinion-

Thanks for this.

Now can you answer my question? Or are you going to do everything you possibly can to avoid answering that simple question yet again. Look at this:

To answer your cheap distraction: the destroy ending can be called 'racist' because it validates the mindset of anyone who believes that the Geth weren't really alive anyway, and that their 'right to life' was merely humouring them all along.  The fact that the game utterly ignores their death and 'sacrifice' in the end, concentrating instead on the 'everything' that can be 'rebuilt', rewards anyone who believed that they weren't worth saving anyway.  Saying that this is 'difficult', when the game goes out of its way to only sing your praises, and shamelessly placates your actions, is laughable.

You make an observation, then you express your opinion.

But you don't make a point.

I asked you what point are you making? That Bioware shouldn't do anything that's against your morals? That anything that's against your morals is "easy"? Hate to break it to you but that's an opinion, no greater than any other.

So what's wrong with it being "racist" if you believe it to be so? What point are you making with that observation?

Seriously, the other day someone refused to answer "yes" or "no" to "Have they ever worked on Mass Effect?" and even they made points. Just answer my question already.

[Coyotebay]

ioannisdenton wrote...


Undeniable FACT: EC is way much more emotional and fulfilling then Mehem. Funny thing is that some people who hate headcanoning actually play Mehem which is 100% fun made ergo heacanon!

It's true, the EC is incredibly emotional especially the synthesis ending.  MEHEM is your gung-ho action movie finish.  You play it for one reason only, to save Shepard so he can reunite with his LI and his crew.  That's a good reason.  But I keep that as my alternate ending and still think of the EC ending I played as the "canon" one, as much as it killed me  to see that look on Liara's face when she put his plaque on the wall.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
The only reason for tacking on the
geth and EDI [die] on the Destroy ending to taint it was to sell Control and
Synthesis, otherwise no one would have picked them.

This I agree with.  How they did the "choices" at the end was very manipulative.

Modifié par Coyotebay, 29 juin 2013 - 02:26 .

[ioannisdenton]

Coyotebay wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...


Undeniable FACT: EC is way much more emotional and fulfilling then Mehem. Funny thing is that some people who hate headcanoning actually play Mehem which is 100% fun made ergo heacanon!

It's true, the EC is incredibly emotional especially the synthesis ending.  MEHEM is your gung-ho action movie finish.  You play it for one reason only, to save Shepard so he can reunite with his LI and his crew.  That's a good reason.  But I keep that as my alternate ending and still think of the EC ending I played as the "canon" one, as much as it killed me  to see that look on Liara's face when she put his plaque on the wall.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
The only reason for tacking on the
geth and EDI [die] on the Destroy ending to taint it was to sell Control and
Synthesis, otherwise no one would have picked them.

This I agree with.  How they did the "choices" at the end was very manipulative.

But doesn't it make sense in destroy since it targets synthetics? Think of it like an Emp.

[Kel Riever]

ioannisdenton wrote...


Undeniable FACT: EC is way much more emotional and fulfilling then Mehem. Funny thing is that some people who hate headcanoning actually play Mehem which is 100% fun made ergo heacanon!
EC saved the trilogy. And all these asspull plotholes about the catalast... whay is so hard to understand?
Some People choose on purpose to find plotholes and they do, plotholes are there only if someone choses to search and make them.
I am fine with speculations, i cannot find plotholes anymore.
This whole complaining thing is such a disservice for Bioware.

You need to look up the definition of a fact.  Most people learn it in school.

Look up the word disservice too.  You'll find that it really isn't the customer's job to service a company.

Anyway, if you like the ending, fine.  But your post is silly.  If you meant it to be that way, then fine.

[Hadeedak]

I like the EC. It clarified things, which helped (though still, speculations for all!). It also gave a bit more closure, which was good. After all, the end is our goodbye to Shepard and a long, long trip through the trilogy.

Is it perfect? Hahah. No. But nothing is going to please everyone. It pleases me, which counts for something (to me).

[ioannisdenton]

Kel Riever wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...


Undeniable FACT: EC is way much more emotional and fulfilling then Mehem. Funny thing is that some people who hate headcanoning actually play Mehem which is 100% fun made ergo heacanon!
EC saved the trilogy. And all these asspull plotholes about the catalast... whay is so hard to understand?
Some People choose on purpose to find plotholes and they do, plotholes are there only if someone choses to search and make them.
I am fine with speculations, i cannot find plotholes anymore.
This whole complaining thing is such a disservice for Bioware.

You need to look up the definition of a fact.  Most people learn it in school.

Look up the word disservice too.  You'll find that it really isn't the customer's job to service a company.

Anyway, if you like the ending, fine.  But your post is silly.  If you meant it to be that way, then fine.

... by emotional i also include frustation, anger, sadness, accomplisment , surprise. Mehem is a just that: Happy ending mod. This is why i say it is a fact.
Fans do a diservice to bioware who actually took into consideration most (or many if you wish ) of our complaints and bothered to change the ending. Cause it DID change, even if they dio not admit it.
Bioware was not obliged to do this. They "had"  already our money.

[Hadeedak]

iakus wrote...

drayfish wrote...

Given that the circumstances of the game's narrative are without any precedent, please provide an alternate word for an act that is, by definition, a knowingly targeted extermination of an antire race of beings.

Xenocide.  The extermination of a species, 

Ender!

[Iakus]

Indeed

[Coyotebay]

ioannisdenton wrote...

But doesn't it make sense in destroy since it targets synthetics? Think of it like an Emp.

No, because the reason it targets all synthetics is that the writers decided to make it that way.  They could have written it so that it targets a processor unique to Reapers.  They could have written it so that the wave doesn't blow things up, just short-circuits them, so that the Alliance could move in to destroy the Reapers and Geth/EDI/etc. get brought back online later.  They chose total destuction for all synthetics to make the other options more viable.

Modifié par Coyotebay, 29 juin 2013 - 05:02 .

[Jeffonl1]

Hadeedak wrote...

I like the EC. It clarified things, which helped (though still, speculations for all!). It also gave a bit more closure, which was good. After all, the end is our goodbye to Shepard and a long, long trip through the trilogy.

Is it perfect? Hahah. No. But nothing is going to please everyone. It pleases me, which counts for something (to me).

Ditto.
Fixed up quite a number of things ... made the conclusion more palatable.  Sadly still a mediocre conclusion to a amazing trilogy.  I'm saying the EC made bad (the originally ending was a mess IMHO) into something, well, I at least can live with.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Kel Riever wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...


Undeniable FACT: EC is way much more emotional and fulfilling then Mehem. Funny thing is that some people who hate headcanoning actually play Mehem which is 100% fun made ergo heacanon!
EC saved the trilogy. And all these asspull plotholes about the catalast... whay is so hard to understand?
Some People choose on purpose to find plotholes and they do, plotholes are there only if someone choses to search and make them.
I am fine with speculations, i cannot find plotholes anymore.
This whole complaining thing is such a disservice for Bioware.

You need to look up the definition of a fact.  Most people learn it in school.

Look up the word disservice too.  You'll find that it really isn't the customer's job to service a company.

Anyway, if you like the ending, fine.  But your post is silly.  If you meant it to be that way, then fine.

What he wrote is a fact, though. So there's that.

[Zazzerka]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

What he wrote is a fact, though. So there's that.

Time to retire, Brovikk.