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[KaiserShep]

Yes. It seems to be based on both the secondary character you talk to the most, as well as the love interest.

[CronoDragoon]

Weird. I don't think I've ever gotten a squadmate in that slot, but I can't remember who it usually is. Argh, this is going to kill me.

[Fixers0]

The EC was kindda meh, it's put together rather well and it does expand on the epilogue, but that's about as far is it goes.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

The EC served its purpose well enough.

[Fixers0]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

The EC served its purpose well enough.

I'm rather hesitant, to say that, as it really doesn't act as an improvement on the original endings, with the exception that it retcons the supposed dark age that the writers appearantly had planned.

[SpamBot2000]

Well, this calls for a quote from a "golden god":

What is this land, that I have found
Bitter silence all around
It's the anniversary
Feel the fear, and sad defeat
Keeps my fragile haunted peace
On the anniversary
Through these dark and lovely streets
Drag my ragged defeat
It's the anniversary
The anniversary
It's the anniversary

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 26 juin 2013 - 06:40 .

[Ieldra]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
The EC served its purpose well enough.

Indeed. Whatever the remaining flaws, it saved the trilogy for me, and that's not a small thing.

[Nole]

A lot of people found peace with the EC.

[Iakus]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Well, this calls for a quote from a "golden god":

What is this land, that I have found
Bitter silence all around
It's the anniversary
Feel the fear, and sad defeat
Keeps my fragile haunted peace
On the anniversary
Through these dark and lovely streets
Drag my ragged defeat
It's the anniversary
The anniversary
It's the anniversary

Or one of the darker passages of Lord of the Rings:


Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing?
Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing?
Where is the hand on the harpstring, and the red fire glowing?
Where is the spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing?
They have passed like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow;
The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow.

[CroGamer002]

Yeah, that thing shouldn't have happen.
Which should have got a proper ending in first place.

And we still didn't got it.
Not even proper final mission, which EC didn't fix.


What a massive disappointment.

[scootermcgaffin]

edit: oh crap sorry wrong EC thread carry on nothing to see here. 

Modifié par scootermcgaffin, 26 juin 2013 - 07:41 .

[CronoDragoon]

Fixers0 wrote...

I'm rather hesitant, to say that, as it really doesn't act as an improvement on the original endings, with the exception that it retcons the supposed dark age that the writers appearantly had planned.

That drink I just made myself wasn't too strong, with the exception of the Everclear I poured into it.

[KaiserShep]

The retcon of the dark age is the part of the EC I like the most.

[Ieldra]

KaiserShep wrote...
The retcon of the dark age is the part of the EC I like the most.

Definitely. The Catalyst is still the ending's greatest blunder, and the pseudomystical crap is still annoying as hell, but at least we had reasonably good outcomes instead of the post-Ragnarök renewal luddite's dream scenario. The outcomes are the part I really liked. The way there....still not so much.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 juin 2013 - 08:02 .

[David7204]

You know, I still don't think people are really thinking through what they mean when they say "the Catalyst."

I'm thinking when people say the "Catalyst" they just mean "everything I don't like about the endings." Because surely the 'worst' part of the endings is not the fact that a Reaper AI exists on the Citadel? That sounds very silly.

And of course, as I've pointed out numerous times, the ending could easily have been exactly the same - the same themes, same choices, same outcomes - with the Catalyst entirely gone and simply having Harbinger land and speak to Shepard. Therefore the existence of the Catalyst as a character is surely not that impactful.

Modifié par David7204, 26 juin 2013 - 08:10 .

[Mcfly616]

WittingEight65 wrote...

A lot of people found peace with the EC.

I was unexpectedly one of them. I hated the original endings. For 3 and a half months I went from IT believer (a very short stint right at the beginning of the outrage, not the ridiculousness that it's become now), to being completely full of rage towards Bioware when I figured out the EC wasn't going to fix anything but only make it longer....


And then 5am came (a year ago today) and I downloaded the EC....and then the pieces started to fall in place, and then the dialogue wheel popped up as the Catalyst spoke, and then it explained itself, and then by accident I was one of the very first people to experience the Refuse ending. I loved it (It is my least preferred choice btw). I loved that BW gave us a chance to take a moral stand/they made it possible to fall to the Reapers/and they made Liara the next cycle's Vigil. In utter shock I proceeded to reload and try out each ending.


I was so happy. The overwhelming ambiguity and vagueness were gone. The blanks were filled in. I saw what my choices did for the galaxy and the future I had made possible. And most importantly, it made sense to me.

Modifié par Mcfly616, 26 juin 2013 - 08:11 .

[CrutchCricket]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

The EC served its purpose well enough.

As a PR mallet over the head of organized genuine criticism, that could've brought about real change, sure it did its job splendidly.

Well... actually the announcement of the EC did most of the work. The EC just showed up to the awards ceremony and took all the credit.

[CrutchCricket]

David7204 wrote...
Because surely the 'worst' part of the endings is not the fact that a Reaper AI exists on the Citadel? That sounds very silly.

Actually it is.

Without the holokid:
a) Shepard wouldn't be capitulating to the enemy. Protagonist integrity restored
The Reapers wouldn't be reduced to mere killbots and later pityingly victimized. Antagonist integrity restored.
c) Audience woudn't be insulted with bull**** forced emotional manipulation (the kid, the dreams, etc)
d) Other plot inconsistencies re: ME1 wouldn't occur

It's not the entirety of the problem, the wanna-be Skynet/Matrix motives of the Reapers are still stupid but that would almost be bearable.

And of course, as I've pointed out numerous times, the ending could easily have been exactly the same - the same themes, same choices, same outcomes - with the Catalyst entirely gone and simply having Harbinger land and speak to Shepard.

Of course. And that would be fine, except for it being Harbinger. There's no reason the holokid info dump couldn't be done by another Prothean VI (or even Leviathan), in any case, some third party not associated with the Reapers. And there's nothing funamentally wrong with the idea of the choices themselves apart from implementation in synthesis and arbitrary bull**** consequences in destroy.

[David7204]

The fact that these options would be acceptable if they were presented by someone else proves you're only opposed to them because the Catalyst supports them. And that makes you an utter fool. The Catalyst says 2+2=4, so you have to say 2+2=5, don't you? That's 'integrity'? No, that's idiocy. And the irony is you're falling squarely into exactly what you wanted to avoid - slavery. Being compelled to disagree with someone just because they're your enemy makes you every bit as much of a slave as if you followed their every command.

As for the Reapers, it was incredibly obvious from the very beginning that they existed only to extermine galactic life. That's their purpose. Their devotion. They don't exist to do anything else. So I don't know what you were thinking, but that basically makes them 'killbots' in service of whatever motive they had. And again, this was all clear from the very beginning.

Modifié par David7204, 26 juin 2013 - 08:31 .

[Big Bad]

The EC did little to fix the game for me, but the soundtrack is nice, so there's that.

[Nole]

Mcfly616 wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

A lot of people found peace with the EC.

I was unexpectedly one of them. I hated the original endings. For 3 and a half months I went from IT believer (a very short stint right at the beginning of the outrage, not the ridiculousness that it's become now), to being completely full of rage towards Bioware when I figured out the EC wasn't going to fix anything but only make it longer....


And then 5am came (a year ago today) and I downloaded the EC....and then the pieces started to fall in place, and then the dialogue wheel popped up as the Catalyst spoke, and then it explained itself, and then by accident I was one of the very first people to experience the Refuse ending. I loved it (It is my least preferred choice btw). I loved that BW gave us a chance to take a moral stand/they made it possible to fall to the Reapers/and they made Liara the next cycle's Vigil. In utter shock I proceeded to reload and try out each ending.


I was so happy. The overwhelming ambiguity and vagueness were gone. The blanks were filled in. I saw what my choices did for the galaxy and the future I had made possible. And most importantly, it made sense to me.

Never thought I would read that on this forum again Q_Q.

[CrutchCricket]

Once again, I forgot why we don't reply to David. But I suppose I brought this on myself.

I said what I needed to say. Reread it again if you have any questions. We're done here.

[Ledgend1221]

One year later and the ending still sucks.

[AlexMBrennan]

Oh come on, without him the forums wouldn't be half as fun.

[David7204]

Mmm.

One thing I've learned is that there is nothing - nothing - people will do not for power. Or far more commonly, the illusion of power. There are no levels to which people will not stoop. They will happily tell you 2+2=5 for it. Which is of course the ultimate betrayal of reason.

That's what this is about. Not this nonsense about 'integrity.' You admit that the Catalyst is at least somewhat legitimate, and the little illusion of power from rightous disagreement vanishes. It can't be sustained. But you need that illusion, so you manifest hatred for anything that threatens it. The Catalyst and myself.

Modifié par David7204, 26 juin 2013 - 08:45 .