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[Dextro Milk]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Well, this is quite the thread derailment I'm seeing here.

Yeah, it sorta just... happened... 

Heh, I'll just stop now, better to just agree to disagree here. 

[Karlone123]

I'd put James or EDI there, just so people wou;d go mad again.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

kobayashi-maru wrote...

Adams probably by Alliance regulations, but most probably the VS or Garris if Shepard chose one. Maybe

It can't be Adams. He's an airdale. You don't put an engineer in command of a warship. He's the CO of his department, but he's not a line a unrestricted line officer.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...


Here's the thing: My Shepard wasn't found by someone who wanted to rip him apart for science. I just beat your logic.

Dogded the question is more like it.

If you wouldn't want someone to kill you "for science", yet you would do it to them, you sir, are a hypocrite.

I'm also the one in power. It's academic for me. That said, who's going to sacrifice me, the hero who just killed the Reapers, for science. 

I don't give a damn about being a hypocrite or not. I am simply beyond caring. I'm going to do what I do regardless of what someone thinks of me for my own reasons.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 27 juin 2013 - 06:25 .

[SomniariKess1124]

I'd put Garrus there, partially out of selfish romance accessibility, But despite what Garrus keeps insisting, I think he's a better leader than he gives himself credit for.

[Tootles FTW]

Garrus. You get him early, he's familiar with the ship, and is military-minded.

It could and perhaps should have been Ashley/Kaidan but, considering they only come aboard halfway through the game and possibly not at all if you shoot them during the coup, as far as involvement is concerned it would have to go to Garrus.

Liara isn't a military strategist, and I think focusing on her Shadowbroker network is a large enough priority for her onboard the ship.

EDI....would actually work, too.

[Astartes Marine]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

That's the hero of the galaxy everyone...huh...

[Gold Dragon]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

It can't be Adams. He's an airdale. You don't put an engineer in command of a warship. He's the CO of his department, but he's not a line a unrestricted line officer.

And yet Shepard can be an Engineer.....

EDIT:  to answer the original question:  Joker would be formally XO according to Alliance Protocol, but Garrus would likely be making the Decisions until Kaidan/Ashley came aboard.

After the Ship Crash, Kaidan/Ashley, being Major/Lt. Commander, and the most senior ranking officer aboard, would assume command.  As per Alliance Regulations.

Modifié par A Golden Dragon, 27 juin 2013 - 07:36 .

[themikefest]

No one qualifies to be XO in ME3. If Miranda was on the ship(in ME3) she would be my XO.

[o Ventus]

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...


Here's the thing: My Shepard wasn't found by someone who wanted to rip him apart for science. I just beat your logic.

Dogded the question is more like it.

If you wouldn't want someone to kill you "for science", yet you would do it to them, you sir, are a hypocrite.

That's not hypocrisy, that's a self-preservation instinct.

If we're going this route, every single soldier in the history of forever is a hypocrite.

[o Ventus]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

And yet Shepard can be an Engineer.....

Which is a concession to gameplay mechanics and isn't addressed by the narrative. The closest that gets is "Shepard is really good with tech", which doesn't describe his occupation or rank at all.

EDIT:  to answer the original question:  Joker would be formally XO according to Alliance Protocol

After the Ship Crash, Kaidan/Ashley, being Major/Lt. Commander, and the most senior ranking officer aboard, would assume command.  As per Alliance Regulations.

These statements are contradictory. Tell me you see that.

How would Joker "officially" be the XO, as per "protocol"? If he is, why would Garrus be the one making decisions? Why would the VS take over if Joker is already the XO? Neither of these things are even possible if dictated by "protocol".

Modifié par o Ventus, 27 juin 2013 - 08:15 .

[Dextro Milk]

o Ventus wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...


Here's the thing: My Shepard wasn't found by someone who wanted to rip him apart for science. I just beat your logic.

Dogded the question is more like it.

If you wouldn't want someone to kill you "for science", yet you would do it to them, you sir, are a hypocrite.

That's not hypocrisy, that's a self-preservation instinct.

If we're going this route, every single soldier in the history of forever is a hypocrite.

There is a difference between fighting on the battlefield, and cutting someone up because they are defenseless or "weak" in your eyes.

[SomniariKess1124]

Dextro Milk wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...


Here's the thing: My Shepard wasn't found by someone who wanted to rip him apart for science. I just beat your logic.

Dogded the question is more like it.

If you wouldn't want someone to kill you "for science", yet you would do it to them, you sir, are a hypocrite.

That's not hypocrisy, that's a self-preservation instinct.

If we're going this route, every single soldier in the history of forever is a hypocrite.

There is a difference between fighting on the battlefield, and cutting someone up because they are defenseless or "weak" in your eyes.

*Grabs popcorn and watches with wonder-struck eyes*

[Dextro Milk]

SomniariKess1124 wrote...

*Grabs popcorn and watches with wonder-struck eyes*

Don't count on it.

I guess they didn't see the "Agree to disagree" I posted... 

[o Ventus]

Dextro Milk wrote...

SomniariKess1124 wrote...

*Grabs popcorn and watches with wonder-struck eyes*

Don't count on it.

I guess they didn't see the "Agree to disagree" I posted... 

No. I didn't.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

devilsgrin wrote...

VS would always be XO of the Normandy. Frankly, Kaidan outranks Shepard by ME3 anyway (see the military rank thing in the codex - Major is above Commander), and its only because Shepard is given the command that he IS in command.
Dr Chakwas is a Major. So she'd be next, though i suspect she'd relinquish command in favour of Adams.
Cortez over Vega, but only just. Vega i would happily place in command of any of my marine contingent.

Of aliens... I would NOT choose Garrus. Simple. I like him. And i'd prefer to have him at my side than on the ship... he's the person my Shepards trust most. Kaidan and Liara as well (One is my usual LI, the other is obsessed with Shep... so a good choice to have - since she can throw up some nice biotics to protect you).

The ranks in the WIKI are messed. I disregard them. Major is equivalent to Commander not Captain. Whoever wrote those ranks had their head up their ass. The marine rank equivalent of a Navy Captain is Colonel. Shepard also should be a full Commander not a Lt Commander. Major = Lt Commander. Having the commanding officer at a lower rank and lower pay grade than the next in command is bad for morale. If you want to know the truth, I think Walters just wanted the player to shoot the VS during the coup. 
 
If anything they should be of equal rank, and nothing more. That's my opinion. I changed the military ranks in my Alternate Universe FF.

Vega just doesn't have the smarts to command a ship. Adams? What does he know about tactics. If anything I think EDI is better qualified than any of them.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 27 juin 2013 - 08:51 .

[SomniariKess1124]

Dextro Milk wrote...

SomniariKess1124 wrote...

*Grabs popcorn and watches with wonder-struck eyes*

Don't count on it.

I guess they didn't see the "Agree to disagree" I posted... 

I see these kind of arguments to be treated like a bad war movie. Just pay attention to the action scenes and you're fine.

Besides, my motto for these kinds of things is, *DA tranquil voice* "Perhaps we should just let it rest."

Modifié par SomniariKess1124, 27 juin 2013 - 08:26 .

[Reorte]

There has to be more to do with it than rank. As pointed out Adams is an engineer so wouldn't command anyway, for example, and I really can't see a non-Alliance person doing the job. That said, when everything is going to hell perhaps such things would be overlooked.

If it was the SR1 then Garrus might be a possibility. After all that ship was codeveloped with the turians and it doesn't sound likely that they would help build an Alliance warship and then have nothing whatsoever to do with it.

[Gold Dragon]

o Ventus wrote...

A Golden Dragon wrote...

And yet Shepard can be an Engineer.....

Which is a concession to gameplay mechanics and isn't addressed by the narrative. The closest that gets is "Shepard is really good with tech", which doesn't describe his occupation or rank at all.

Still doesn't mean that an engineer can't be placed in comand of combatants.  As for the other, well, there are limits (time, money, space on disk, memory, etc) that can be done in a game.  There are 12 variations of Shepard in this (2 genders, 6 professions), so the devs didn't have a lot of time to make everything.

o Ventus wrote...

A Golden Dragon wrote...
EDIT:  to answer the original question:  Joker would be formally XO according to Alliance Protocol(snipped by o Ventus)

After the Ship Crash, Kaidan/Ashley, being Major/Lt. Commander, and the most senior ranking officer aboard, would assume command.  As per Alliance Regulations.

These statements are contradictory. Tell me you see that.

How would Joker "officially" be the XO, as per "protocol"? If he is, why would Garrus be the one making decisions? Why would the VS take over if Joker is already the XO? Neither of these things are even possible if dictated by "protocol".

Contradictory? exactly HOW?  In the first, Garrus may not even be alive, and second, may be groundside with Shepard.  Joker only leaves when the ship is docked to the Citadel. 

As for the VS.  Kaidan Alenko is Ranked Major.  Ashley Williams is ranked Leutenant Commander.  Jeff "Joker" Moreau is ranked Leutenant, and since he is a pilot, formally Flight Leutenant.  Adams is also a Leutenant.  The only other officer is Major Karin Chakwas, Ship CMO.

Since the Ship's Doctor wouldn't assume command when another is more capable (especially if Alenko is the VS), protocol is that the senior officer aboard assumes command, I fail to see any contradiction, especcially if Shepard refused Chakwas and made Dr. Michel Normandy CMO, who has NO rank in the military.

So tell me what I'm missing, please.

[Reorte]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

A Golden Dragon wrote...

And yet Shepard can be an Engineer.....

Which is a concession to gameplay mechanics and isn't addressed by the narrative. The closest that gets is "Shepard is really good with tech", which doesn't describe his occupation or rank at all.

Still doesn't mean that an engineer can't be placed in comand of combatants.  As for the other, well, there are limits (time, money, space on disk, memory, etc) that can be done in a game.  There are 12 variations of Shepard in this (2 genders, 6 professions), so the devs didn't have a lot of time to make everything.

Engineer Shepard is describing his combat specialisation, not his actual role. Someone who's class is Engineer isn't necessarily an engineer (note upper and lower case letters).

[Gold Dragon]

And yet the Paragon Interrupt on Omega, only available by Engineers, isn't exactly Combat tech, either.

[Nole]

Liara ofc.

[o Ventus]

Like I said.

The narrative acknowledgement of Shepard's engineering prowess amounts to "he's really good with tech".

[devSin]

Kaidan. Before then, it would probably be Joker (i.e., EDI) or Cortez (depending how much we want to use real-life militaries as a template, you may or may not consider Adams and Chakwas ineligible).

But it doesn't matter. I doubt it's something that even has an official answer, given the narrative standards of ME3. If you want an XO, go play ME or ME2.

Modifié par devSin, 27 juin 2013 - 09:22 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Dextro Milk wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...


Here's the thing: My Shepard wasn't found by someone who wanted to rip him apart for science. I just beat your logic.

Dogded the question is more like it.

If you wouldn't want someone to kill you "for science", yet you would do it to them, you sir, are a hypocrite.

That's not hypocrisy, that's a self-preservation instinct.

If we're going this route, every single soldier in the history of forever is a hypocrite.

There is a difference between fighting on the battlefield, and cutting someone up because they are defenseless or "weak" in your eyes.

I'm not killing someone because they're weak, though granted, they better get their **** together. I'm killing someone because through their death, everyone else might benefit.