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[dava6711]

I'd build your own PC, it's a fairly simple but rewarding process. Grab a decent quad core CPU (I've got an intel Q9550), eight gig of DDR3 RAM (which is really cheap nowadays), if you're not looking to overclock then you won't need a premium gaming motherboard so you could purchase any compatible motherboard which has the features YOU want (eSATA, USB 3.0 or onboard WIFI etc), a decent PSU around the 700w mark (a modular one is more expensive and will offer you a cleaner setup but isn't necessary), a good air cooled heatsink is vital for gaming, they're pretty cheap as well now and will keep your CPU cool and help to keep your rig quiet (I went with a megahalems promilatech). Everything else is even simpler from this point, decent GPU, case, hard drive and DVD drive. If you build it yourself you know exactly what's inside, a cheap store one will likely have a crappy cooler, crappy PSU, crappy motherboard etc and you'll likely end up upgrading many of these components anyway!

Modifié par dava6711, 27 juin 2013 - 06:29 .

[Fleck]

Well yeah, the best option is to self-build, but if you don't have the drive just order from ibuypower. If you buy some Alienware ****e I will personally hunt you down

[DullahansXMark]

chester1662 wrote...

I would choose the one from Walmart. Good CPU, it's a NON-k i5, so it's more difficult to OC than the K version, also how much you can OC will depend on the MB chipset. It's seems the case has good air flow. Problem is they don't give any information about MB, PSU, HDD and RAM quality.

PS sorry for my english.

I know it's off-topic, but I thought I'd point out that this entire post only has one grammatical error, and I bolded it (it isn't even that bad of an error anyway.)

You don't have to worry about your English, dude, it's fine 

[Nova-IN]

core i5 3570k(it's quad-core)
8 gigs ram
asrock z77 extreme 4 motherboard
Radeon HD 7850(could go for GTX 660Ti as well)
seasonic 520w PSU(Wouldn't need more than that)

Oh and Non-k CPUs are negligibly OCable and Intel>>AMD for gaming at least.
That's my build, you could switch around a few parts according to your budget.

[frankles]

I bought a cheap PC world PC once, and then I took...

...a screwdriver to it and dismantled it to sell on ebay to fund my self-build. My latest self-build took me maybe 8 hours, including installing OS and majority of my software. I would never buy store bought again. The time issue is a problem, but I'd rather have that investment and really have confidence in the PC.

Good advice above, make sure you have a really good MOBO and CPU, plus an SSD for your OS. The rest can be upgraded as you need, that core triumvirate is vital though.

[Nova-IN]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

frankles wrote...

I bought a cheap PC world PC once, and then I took...

...a screwdriver to it and dismantled it to sell on ebay to fund my self-build. My latest self-build took me maybe 8 hours, including installing OS and majority of my software. I would never buy store bought again. The time issue is a problem, but I'd rather have that investment and really have confidence in the PC.

Good advice above, make sure you have a really good MOBO and CPU, plus an SSD for your OS. The rest can be upgraded as you need, that core triumvirate is vital though.

Also, the obligatory:
DO NOT BUY FROM ALIENWARE EVER!

They charge outlandish prices for their horribly unoptimized builds (i7 CPU, but entry level GPU and declare it a high end gaming PC, those liers!) use crappy hardware (ever wondered why they don't list the PSU in their product details?) and even if the build was somehow sensible for what you actually want, you can get the very same build, even pre-build, someplace else for SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper.

Alienware are rip-offs. Period.

QFT
If you want Gaming Laptops buy Asus.

[Koenig888]

There are lots of online guides around on how to build a good DIY system. I would just mention to ignore all the advice about getting the 660 or 660 Ti. The 660 series have been replaced with the 760 2 days ago. btw if you are going with a pre-built, you will be stuck with Windows 8. Personally, I would prefer Windows 7 or even good old Windows XP.

[megawug]

Koenig888 wrote...

There are lots of online guides around on how to build a good DIY system. I would just mention to ignore all the advice about getting the 660 or 660 Ti. The 660 series have been replaced with the 760 2 days ago. btw if you are going with a pre-built, you will be stuck with Windows 8. Personally, I would prefer Windows 7 or even good old Windows XP.

GTX 760 is ~5% faster than 660Ti.  It's just the annual model re-numbering by Nvidia (and AMD).  If the 660Ti is cheaper because of inventory blow-out, it'd be a better value.

Same with Intel CPUs.  Anandtech stated there's only been ~7% boost since Core iX-2xxx generation.  There's no need to go with the absolute latest unless the price is about the same.

Also, Windows 8.1 this fall should be a solid replacement for Windows 7.  People seem to forget that there have been significant back-end improvements, like to the file system, in Windows 8.  Once the GUI is useable again, there's no reason to revert to Window 7.

[chester1662]

Koenig888 wrote...

There are lots of online guides around on how to build a good DIY system. I would just mention to ignore all the advice about getting the 660 or 660 Ti. The 660 series have been replaced with the 760 2 days ago. btw if you are going with a pre-built, you will be stuck with Windows 8. Personally, I would prefer Windows 7 or even good old Windows XP.

  XP only uses DX 9.0c. The new consoles are DX11 capable, so we should see an increament in the number of games(console ports) using DX11. Unless this computer he's trying to build is just for ME games.

[frankles]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

frankles wrote...

I bought a cheap PC world PC once, and then I took...

...a screwdriver to it and dismantled it to sell on ebay to fund my self-build. My latest self-build took me maybe 8 hours, including installing OS and majority of my software. I would never buy store bought again. The time issue is a problem, but I'd rather have that investment and really have confidence in the PC.

Good advice above, make sure you have a really good MOBO and CPU, plus an SSD for your OS. The rest can be upgraded as you need, that core triumvirate is vital though.

Holy crap, eight hours? What did you do to take that long?


SNIP

I'm a bit disabled so my arms/legs have issues and I had to take rest breaks to preserve strength for moving the damn thing about    plus it took FOREVER to install software as I had to transfer loads of files, install games etc.   Ooh and CABLE MANAGEMENT!!  That took a while too.

Good point though, if you don't have to transfer software/files over your LAN it probably only takes 4 hours (for me) to build and do first run through of a PC.

Also, if budget is tight get a really good GPU later and stick to a mid-range 660 card.  I have a 560Ti and it runs everything on full, I only have an i3 3220 CPU and 8GB RAM, but I have a kick ass Asus mobo and a good PSU.  And an intel SSD.  Reason for my upgrade:  old system has 8800GT card which kept having hard crashes while playing ME3MP.  This was *not* acceptable so I built a new one!!

[Md37]

Or you can go here
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/

Got mine from here, they do a good job if you can't or don't have the time to build one your self.

[78stonewobble]

chester1662 wrote...

Koenig888 wrote...

There are lots of online guides around on how to build a good DIY system. I would just mention to ignore all the advice about getting the 660 or 660 Ti. The 660 series have been replaced with the 760 2 days ago. btw if you are going with a pre-built, you will be stuck with Windows 8. Personally, I would prefer Windows 7 or even good old Windows XP.

  XP only uses DX 9.0c. The new consoles are DX11 capable, so we should see an increament in the number of games(console ports) using DX11. Unless this computer he's trying to build is just for ME games.

Still, if you're also playing older games, it's worth keeping an xp around for dual booting and gaming on those.

[Kinom001]

Personally, I like the six core AMD processor on the Avatar. The video card seems underwhelming but that's something you can replace yourself.

There's something to be said for being able to just walk into a store and grab one off the shelf, though, if real life takes up a lot of your time.

[NuclearTech76]

Aren't AMD processors kind of crappy compared to Intel?

[Kinom001]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Aren't AMD processors kind of crappy compared to Intel?

Not that I've ever been able to tell, and I've used both at different times in my life/career for both server and desktop applications. If I were purchasing the system I'd find decent technical reviews for both processors.

[dysturbed0ne]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Aren't AMD processors kind of crappy compared to Intel?

If you are going for a GPU'less build, the AMD APU's are a good choice. If you are really on a budget this can be a viable option, granted you won't be playing anything on max settings, it will alllow you to play on par with consoles for about the same price as one.

[BullMooose]

First off, ATI vs Nvidia. On paper there's not much performance difference, while there is usually a ~50 dollar price difference. However, in reality Nvidia pays big bucks to get games better optimized for their cards, I would usually say Nvidia is the better deal graphics wise.

However, intel vs AMD is a different story. Intel processors will kick AMD's ass in benchmarks, and things that take lots of raw CPU power like video encoding, protein folding calculations, BUT NOT GAMING. Gaming is generally not very CPU heavy, strategy games and some very "large" games (like mount and blade) are cpu heavy because there are a lot of calculations going in in the background. However, a game like mass effect 3 uses very little cpu power.

I would wholeheartedly recommend building your own computer. It doesn't take that much knowledge, as long as you match up your CPU socket with your motherboard pretty much everything else is compatible. Newegg has some great videos on how to build a computer, you can find them here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxaVBsXEiok

Building a computer will save you money, because usually so called "gaming computers" include many superfluous add ons that don't really do anything and are just there so they can charge YOU more money. Most gaming PC's have i7 processors, way overkill on the CPU department, then they have cheaper GPU's. This is backwards for what a gaming PC should have. Also, most pre built machines include multiple 1 TB hard drives (some people may need a 3 TB RAID setup but not many) and also many include 16gb of RAM. This is necessary for some things (heavy photoshop work comes to mind) but you NEVER need more than 8gb RAM for gaming.

I would recommend you buy an AMD quad core, and a GTX 760. The rest of the components are really up to you, though I wouldn't recommend paying more than 75 dollars for a case, as there are perfectly good ones for ~50 dollars. Last, most GPUs come with a recommended wattage that your computer should be able to pump out. For instance, a GPU might claim it needs 600w of power supply however you can easily get away with 500w. The recommended wattage is usually way higher than it needs to be to avoid liability issues, also to take into account that some people are running really power intensive things other than their GPU on their PC.

Alright, hope I helped and thank god there isn't a character limit

[Grinch57]

OP, check out CyberPowerPC. They pretty much run the gamut of gaming computers. You want a decent, but inexpensive computer, they do that. You want something that is bats**t crazy, they do that too. Also, you can choose if and what you get overclocked.

You "build" your own, so you know what you are getting, when purchasing from their web site. You can also buy them "pre-built" from retailers, but then if you have specific GPU/PSU/mobo/CPU preferences, you might not get what you want.

In checking out component prices to build my own and buying one from them, the difference was trivial. I shopped a lot of different computer makers. As others have said, Alienware is not the place to buy. Check out CyberPowerPC and see how their prices/specs compare to what you've been looking at so far.

[NuclearTech76]

Radeon supposedly is capable of more FPS but is more susceptible to microstutter (whatever the hell that is) supposedly there is software to fix that. Nvidia is supposedly smoother yet has lower FPS capability. Anyone want to spell out in English WTF that means and how it impacts current and possibly future gaming performance?

I think I had a GTX 650 Ti 1 GB picked up and budgeted but I have no idea what I need.

I think current specs are:
i5-3570k
ASRock Extreme 4
NZXT Tempest 210 ATX Mid Tower Case

[chester1662]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Radeon supposedly is capable of more FPS but is more susceptible to microstutter (whatever the hell that is) supposedly there is software to fix that. Nvidia is supposedly smoother yet has lower FPS capability. Anyone want to spell out in English WTF that means and how it impacts current and possibly future gaming performance?

I think I had a GTX 650 Ti 1 GB picked up and budgeted but I have no idea what I need.

I think current specs are:
i5-3570k
ASRock Extreme 4
NZXT Tempest 210 ATX Mid Tower Case

As far as I know, microstutter becomes a real issue in Crossfire(Radeon) or SLI(Nvidia) setups, and yes, it's more noticable on Radeon Crossfire. So I think as long as you aren't running a Dual-tri-quad GPU setup this is not a real problem. Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

In this article, second paragraph is a short explanation of what microstuster is. 

www.overclockers.com/micro-stutter-the-dark-secret-of-sli-and-crossfire/

[dysturbed0ne]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Radeon supposedly is capable of more FPS but is more susceptible to microstutter (whatever the hell that is) supposedly there is software to fix that. Nvidia is supposedly smoother yet has lower FPS capability. Anyone want to spell out in English WTF that means and how it impacts current and possibly future gaming performance?

I think I had a GTX 650 Ti 1 GB picked up and budgeted but I have no idea what I need.

I think current specs are:
i5-3570k
ASRock Extreme 4
NZXT Tempest 210 ATX Mid Tower Case

Here is the one I just built with those same 3 parts. Asking gamers what you should get as far as AMD or Nvidia is like asking "what is an average BSN player" here. You will get multiple responses which are mostly based off personal experience and loyalty.