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[Erez Kristal]

Reorte wrote...

voteDC wrote...

erezike wrote...
no progression is possibile for them.

That is one of the reasons I don't like shooters that much either. No improvement from beginning to end.

You and I obviously want different things from combat in role playing games. You wish to be the best of the best at the very start, I wish to have the feeling of reaching that point.

I really do find it a shame that there couldn't have been a better solution than removal.

Shepard is supposed to be pretty much the Alliance's best right at the start of ME1 - and N7 and under consideration for joining the Spectres. In a game like Mass Effect I find the levelling up and so on a tedious distraction. It does nothing to move the story along and just changes the shooty bits (which then have to be balanced to match, otherwise you end up with the situation where it can be ridiculously easy to kill everything, like could happen in ME1).

As for a remake, no, it would need a reboot. There are too many story issues throughout all three games for a little bit of tweaking and a pure graphics or gameplay remake would be a waste of time. ME3 might've ended up with a million times more stupidity than was required but thanks to all the flaws beforehand it had little or no chance in ending well. They just didn't matter as much before the end because there was still the hope that they may've been somehow resolved. A reboot that's carefully planned from the start, without the involvement of certain people, might well be the greatest game ever made and would inevitably end up fairly different (getting more different the further you got through it).

There are not big plot holes in me1 and me2.only a few stories you need to go deeper into in order to understand. a complete reboot would only do better in the far future(15-20 years)

[lecho_himself]

Upgrades are one thing, but stats-based damage is another matter. It totally makes sense because it doesn't affect if you will hit something you aim, but HOW GOOD you will hit.

A rookie will close his eyes and pull the trigger, still he will hit the target from close range. Experienced soldier will take his time to choose where to aim and when to shoot, thus will deal more damage.

Modifié par lecho_himself, 29 juin 2013 - 12:05 .

[Erez Kristal]

lecho_himself wrote...

Upgrades are one thing, but stats-based damage is another matter. It totally makes sense because it doesn't affect if you will hit something you aim, but HOW GOOD you will hit.

A rookie will close his eyes and pull the trigger, still he will hit the target from close range. Experienced soldier will take his time to choose where to aim and when to shoot, thus will deal more damage.

Since i fired a lot of guns in my lifespan.

From what i remember... a shot fired by a helpless rookie will do the same damage as a shot from the most top notce special forces fella.

Having better guns, or a special suit with more energy for each shot is a different matter.

What you are saying that if you hit the body, that shep will self correct your shot to the vital organs. what if you already hit the vital organs like the killing triangle around the nose. how the games auto correct damage will work?

This makes no sense what so ever and is nothing more than a old tribue to the old pen and paper games. this has no place in modern video games. because it also increase the difficulty of ballancing the mobs.
if you want a fake sense of progression it should be sticked to item upgrades like the dead space.

Rp is all about choices and customization. getting into the character. it has nothing to do with level up.

[lecho_himself]

Well it's Mass Effect 1 model which looks like old pen and paper games - you can even miss a shoot standing toe to toe with Ur foe because of stats.

[10K]

Just let ME die, no more. Nuff said.

[DarthLaxian]

hm...

ME4 would be cool, a remake of ME3 (which IMHO is a plain bad game for me) would be nice...but a total reboot...i was shocked reading that, but the thing is:

to me that kind of makes sense (!) - i mean, i recently wanted to play ME1 and 2 again (i have played ME3 two times now (start to finish) and the second time, the fights were fun, but the story was just a distraction from shooting (and biotic-detonate...i tend to play an adept) more mocks...it's just that bad for me) and i could not get into it (ME1 is getting old, compared to current games like Crysis 3 and ME2, well the mechanics for fighting are just better in ME3 - also i have bones to pick here, too...for example the "one button does all") and thus i would welcome a remake of the whole series (with revamping the characters, fixing story errors, polishing everything more then before, going back to the story as planed (Dark Energie - no "synthetics will kill you, so we kill you first" crap) etc.)

yes, it's a little early, but maybe that is just what the franchise needs? - yes it is risky and all, but wind of change is never a bad thing IMHO (as longs as you give it time and don't stand next to the devs with an alarm-clock and a calendar and remind them of their badly chosen deadlines and tell them that the main fokus is the money etc.)

greetings LAX
ps: I would love an ME4 though, too (if they set it in a far future from ME3...i don't want to see a single character again (they have been tainted by the bad ME3...as much als i love Garrus, Tali, Liara, Joker and the others) and decide to forget about the bad ending (maybe galactic history forgot how sheppard defeated the reapers? - maybe no one ever really knew, as no one beside sheppard knows what the crucible does/did?)

Modifié par DarthLaxian, 30 juin 2013 - 03:00 .

[DangerousPuddy]

Mass Effect will never be the same after what they did with the ending, despite the EC.

However, it is and will always be my most cherished game franchise. It had amazing moments from 1 to 3, and the EC halfway redeemed ME3 so its all in all a success. To be quite honest, I don't want to see a remake, nor a spin off or continuation ( I know EA and profits will drive a ME4 game in some capacity) but with the way the industry is going, EA and what we saw from ME1 to ME3 the series was a great IP and it should remain untouched and untarnished. Furthermore, you just played as Shepard - savior of the galaxy, the focus of trillions of people in arguably the biggest point in galactic history. Any ME universe game having to do with a lesser character will never live up...and if it is written well, as a more unknown character having to deal with problems in another timeline (cycles before let's say) it will still be a halfway success like Star Wars. IMO the franchise is over for me, and I will always love it.

I would love to see Bioware do a fresh IP, or next-gen game to do with a franchise that has potential that they never worked with hard before (Jade Empire). Just pull another game with the novelty Mass Effect had on us all rather than drag our favorite franchise down.

[lecho_himself]

DangerousPuddy wrote...

Any ME universe game having to do with a lesser character will never live up...and if it is written well, as a more unknown character having to deal with problems in another timeline (cycles before let's say) it will still be a halfway success like Star Wars.

And why is that? I know many people, including myself, who enjoyed ME2 Omega-mercenary style. I personally would like to see ME4 done this way, from a smaller perspective. Im not crazy about saving the world every time, in fact I'm a little bit tired of it.

[Erez Kristal]

DangerousPuddy wrote...

Mass Effect will never be the same after what they did with the ending, despite the EC.
.

If you have an alternate game, with fresh content. that have almost nothing to do with the original plot of me3. im sure you will be suprised.
I believe in mass effect. i believe it can be redeemed. i believe it can have a total meta critic score average(from users) of 8.0+  

[DarthLaxian]

well, i have to agree - i tend to love RPG-Games in part, because you are this AWESOME HERO (not at the start, mind you - but you have the potential to be) that Kicks-Ass and Saves the Day (and people love you - or hate you - for it)...just being say:

- a mercenary
- a C-Sec-Officer
- a simple soldier
- etc.

can never live up to that ideal (i mean: playing a SPECTRE from one of the other Races and finding your part - and helping put the galaxy back together would be awesome...but: then they would have to make one ending canon, which is bad etc. - so i would prefer some far in the future game, probably playing in another galaxy (us being the leader of an expedition) or something like that (taking the ME-Universe and leaving the rotten ME3 behind) - but i don't want to be some commoner or thug that no one would give a **** about...that's what most of us are in real live, so no i don't want to be that ingame (and i can admit that)

so please, no

=> that dilema (with having to find a new and important character for us to play) actually makes me like the reboot idea even more

greetings LAX

Modifié par DarthLaxian, 30 juin 2013 - 02:12 .

[Erez Kristal]

DarthLaxian wrote...

well, i have to agree - i tend to love RPG-Games in part, because you are this AWESOME HERO (not at the start, mind you - but you have the potential to be) that Kicks-Ass and Saves the Day (and people love you - or hate you - for it)...just being say:

- a mercenary
- a C-Sec-Officer
- a simple soldier
- etc.

can never live up to that ideal (i mean: playing a SPECTRE from one of the other Races and finding your part - and helping put the galaxy back together would be awesome...but: then they would have to make one ending canon, which is bad etc. - so i would prefer some far in the future game, probably playing in another galaxy (us being the leader of an expedition) or something like that (taking the ME-Universe and leaving the rotten ME3 behind) - but i don't want to be some commoner or thug that no one would give a **** about...that's what most of us are in real live, so no i don't want to be that ingame (and i can admit that)

so please, no

=> that dilema (with having to find a new and important character for us to play) actually makes me like the reboot idea even more

greetings LAX

I would  really want to hope that most of us arent thugs in real life. this would result in too much competition 

[DarthLaxian]

read it again please i said commoners or thugs (and for me a thug is not a low live gangster all the time but a person having to adhere to more important people, while not standing out much (being invisible, at least to important people))

greetings LAX
ps: only a few people are really important (in the way Sheppard is in ME and most of us are not that kind of people)

[Reorte]

erezike wrote...

As for a remake, no, it would need a reboot. There are too many story issues throughout all three games for a little bit of tweaking and a pure graphics or gameplay remake would be a waste of time. ME3 might've ended up with a million times more stupidity than was required but thanks to all the flaws beforehand it had little or no chance in ending well. They just didn't matter as much before the end because there was still the hope that they may've been somehow resolved. A reboot that's carefully planned from the start, without the involvement of certain people, might well be the greatest game ever made and would inevitably end up fairly different (getting more different the further you got through it).

There are not big plot holes in me1 and me2.only a few stories you need to go deeper into in order to understand. a complete reboot would only do better in the far future(15-20 years)

I said issues, not plot holes, and it's in going deeper than just accepting what's presented on the surface that reveals them. Things like ME2's Reaper Baby. It's not a plot hole but it is facepalmingly stupid.

However another post you've made about guns and damage and levelling up is something I completely agree with.

edit: fixed quoting. Wish BSN had a post preview option.

Modifié par Reorte, 30 juin 2013 - 04:13 .

[Bendigoe]

A reboot with the games going in a different direction? Okay.
A remake of the games we've already played just a couple of years after they've been released? No.

[Erez Kristal]

Bendigoe wrote...

A reboot with the games going in a different direction? Okay.
A remake of the games we've already played just a couple of years after they've been released? No.

My thought exactly, i see no reason in creating the same game with different graphics.

Which is why I find the idea of an alternate plot for mass effect 3 so interesting.
A story where the control over shepard was never taken from the player and the reapers didnt just decided to say screw it, lets roll to the galaxy...

[xNYROx]

I don't care what they do with the next ME game as long as they take their time, do it right and continue on with the ME universe.

[Iakus]

And remember next time that they are making a game, not a movie.

[KaiserShep]

iakus wrote...

And remember next time that they are making a game, not a movie.

I'm pretty sure that they're going to stick to the cinematic feel captured by the last 2 games. Honestly, I hope that doesn't go away. There's no reason why the game can't be fantastic and maintain this.

[Nole]

I love games with hollywood action scenes.

[Mr.House]

They didn't remake ME2, why would they remake ME3?

[Erez Kristal]

Mr.House wrote...

They didn't remake ME2, why would they remake ME3?

its has been repeatedly said, mass effect 2 was the best game of 2010 and one of the best games of all time(user scores)
Mass effect 3 was an average game of 2012. 

We are are only recruiting the best for me.

[KaiserShep]

Remaking an entire game seems like a huge waste of time and money anyway. It could potentially make money, but unless they pull a magic rabbit out of their hats, it could turn out to be a negative investment. That said, if there was any inkling of a possibility anywhere, it would most likely just be a rewrite of at least a portion of the ending, maybe a new epilogue, and I'm sure M. Night Shyamalan will win an Oscar before that happens.

[Mr.House]

erezike wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

They didn't remake ME2, why would they remake ME3?

its has been repeatedly said, mass effect 2 was the best game of 2010 and one of the best games of all time(user scores)
Mass effect 3 was an average game of 2012. 

We are are only recruiting the best for me.

ME2 was nowhere near the best game of 2010.

[KaiserShep]

Mass Effect 2 made the top 20 list on Wired. IGN also has it listed as one of the best of XBox's titles released for that year. Quote from their listing: 

"Stunning environments, unforgettable characters, a gripping story, and kick-ass combat are just some of the many reasons Mass Effect 2 surpassed every other game launched on the Xbox 360."

Modifié par KaiserShep, 01 juillet 2013 - 08:55 .

[Zjarcal]

Lol @ this thread

Mr.House wrote...

ME2 was nowhere near the best game of 2010.

It totally was for me. 

Modifié par BioWareMod04, 02 juillet 2013 - 09:51 .