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[kinderschlager]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Yeah sadly DA's bows have no strings.

Except that some developer posts(that I can't be bothered to look up right now) have at the very least hinted that visual bowstrings will be very likely to appear in DAI. I think the wording was something along the lines of "the lack of bowstrings in DAO and DAII was due to a limitation in the old engine and the new engine don't have that limitation".

Also, this sort of derailing of a thread's topic is frowned upon.

we still do it anyway, threadnoughts need injections of sillyness and randomness at times

[AutumnWitch]

As a lesbian in real life just let me say that I loved DA2 romances and I didn't mind the either way thing. What I see being an issues is, lets say I am playing a female protagonist and I want to romance another female companion BUT this person happens prohibited from romancing a female protagonist, then that both really limits the potential romance pool and it means somewhere someone will be offended because sooner or later someone will say the only companions that will romance me are "this or that" and then people will get bent out of shape saying, why is it that only the "****ty" female companions will romance women or why will only the "really feminine" companions romance a male companion. Blah, blah, blah. If they limit who romances who there will be so many charges of bias and all of that..just let it go.

[LPPrince]

Thats a can't win scenario for Bioware. No matter what they do with anything really, someone's gonna have a problem with it or feel it can be improved to better fit what they desire out of it. Even allowing all potential romance options to be available for everyone causes people(like me) to feel that romances can be done better and that there are better options that pertain to their interests.

[slimgrin]

AutumnWitch wrote...

As a lesbian in real life just let me say that I loved DA2 romances and I didn't mind the either way thing. What I see being an issues is, lets say I am playing a female protagonist and I want to romance another female companion BUT this person happens prohibited from romancing a female protagonist, then that both really limits the potential romance pool and it means somewhere someone will be offended because sooner or later someone will say the only companions that will romance me are "this or that" and then people will get bent out of shape saying, why is it that only the "****ty" female companions will romance women or why will only the "really feminine" companions romance a male companion. Blah, blah, blah. If they limit who romances who there will be so many charges of bias and all of that..just let it go.

The game shouldn't cater to your sexuality, nor your morality.

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Modifié par BioWareMod05, 30 juin 2013 - 02:37 .

[Plaintiff]

slimgrin wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

As a lesbian in real life just let me say that I loved DA2 romances and I didn't mind the either way thing. What I see being an issues is, lets say I am playing a female protagonist and I want to romance another female companion BUT this person happens prohibited from romancing a female protagonist, then that both really limits the potential romance pool and it means somewhere someone will be offended because sooner or later someone will say the only companions that will romance me are "this or that" and then people will get bent out of shape saying, why is it that only the "****ty" female companions will romance women or why will only the "really feminine" companions romance a male companion. Blah, blah, blah. If they limit who romances who there will be so many charges of bias and all of that..just let it go.

The game as a whole shouldn't cater to your sexuality, nor your morality.

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Modifié par BioWareMod05, 30 juin 2013 - 02:41 .

[AutumnWitch]

slimgrin wrote...


The game shouldn't cater to your sexuality, nor your morality.

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As a potential customer if I can’t relate to the game I won’t buy it. I am not a “gamer” and only play games that interest me. And those games are games that I can relate to on some level.

Bioware has every right to make the game anyway they want, but if they make it in such a way I can’t relate to it, they won’t be getting my money. On the other hand, if they make a game that I can sink my teeth into, they will be able to get me for a lot of my dosh. A game is not art, it’s entertainment and its made to create revenue and so there ya go.

Modifié par BioWareMod05, 30 juin 2013 - 02:40 .

[The Hierophant]

LPPrince wrote...
Thats a can't win scenario for Bioware. No matter what they do with anything really, someone's gonna have a problem with it or feel it can be improved to better fit what they desire out of it. Even allowing all potential romance options to be available for everyone causes people(like me) to feel that romances can be done better and that there are better options that pertain to their interests.

Agreed

[Siansonea]

Sylvianus wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
Why is this the sticking point for people, when there are bigger fish to fry?

Are you asking those who disagree with you or everyone ?

Why does it matter to you  when it does matter for me ? Right ?

Why does the abstract idea that someone might experience a similar but different romance plot take away from your enjoyment of that romance plot?

[slimgrin]

AutumnWitch wrote...

slimgrin wrote...


The game shouldn't cater to your sexuality, nor your morality.

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As a potential customer if I can’t relate to the game I won’t buy it. I am not a “gamer” and only play games that interest me. And those games are games that I can relate to on some level.

Bioware has every right to make the game anyway they want, but if they make it in such a way I can’t relate to it, they won’t be getting my money. On the other hand, if they make a game that I can sink my teeth into, they will be able to get me for a lot of my dosh. A game is not art, it’s entertainment and its made to create revenue and so there ya go.

Games are art. You do the medium a diservice by claiming otherwise. But then you seem to be the kind of customer Bioware wants. So there ya go. 

Modifié par BioWareMod05, 30 juin 2013 - 02:42 .

[Thomas Andresen]

LPPrince wrote...

Thats a can't win scenario for Bioware. No matter what they do with anything really, someone's gonna have a problem with it or feel it can be improved to better fit what they desire out of it. Even allowing all potential romance options to be available for everyone causes people(like me) to feel that romances can be done better and that there are better options that pertain to their interests.

If they had more resources to allocate to romances, sure there are better ways of handling it. But as it is, equality is the way to go.

[AngryFrozenWater]

slimgrin wrote...

The game shouldn't cater to your sexuality, nor your morality.

But it should do that for you?

Those romances are here to stay. BW will not back out. It's now about the quality of the romance stories.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 30 juin 2013 - 02:48 .

[Thomas Andresen]

Siansonea II wrote...

Why does the abstract idea that someone might experience a similar but different romance plot take away from your enjoyment of that romance plot?

Yes. This is what baffles me.

slimgrin wrote...

Games are art. You do the medium a diservice by claiming otherwise. But then you seem to be the kind of customer Bioware wants. So there ya go. 

I can't put a finger on it, but something about this post just makes me seethe inside.

Modifié par Thomas Andresen, 30 juin 2013 - 03:07 .

[nightscrawl]

Xilizhra wrote...

iakus wrote...

I think this is the first time I've ever heard gender being called "arbitrary" 

In game terms, it is.

Yepper. Some things are considered more important than others, in the grand scheme of things. If Anders had rejected a templar spec Hawke, no matter the gender, that would have been more in-line with his character. In this case, gender would be arbitrary. You do not have a choice as to what sex you are born as. You do however, have control over your own actions, feelings, treatment of others, etc. Being romantically involved with a templar seems so antithetical to Anders's entire being, I think it far outweighs any consideration of gender.

Forget that you are bi, gay, or straight for a moment. You are presented with two people and told that you will spend the rest of your life with one of them and are asked to choose. One of them is a total piece of garbage as a human being. The other is wonderful. At that point, does it really matter what gender the person is? If so, why does it?

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

The game shouldn't cater to your sexuality, nor your morality.

But it should do that for you?

High-five!

Modifié par nightscrawl, 30 juin 2013 - 02:57 .

[Plaintiff]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

Games are art. You do the medium a diservice by claiming otherwise. But then you seem to be the kind of customer Bioware wants. So there ya go. 

I can't put a finger on it, but something about this post just makes me seethe inside.

Because it erroneously conflates individuals who desire equality with individuals who don't see games as art?

The implication that exclusion makes a game more "artistic" while equality lessens artistic integrity and reduces the game to a commercial product? (As if the inclusion of characters who don't conform to heteronormative ideals has ever been a recipe for commercial succes, el-oh-el).

Those are the reasons it makes me seethe, anyway.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 30 juin 2013 - 02:56 .

[AutumnWitch]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Why does the abstract idea that someone might experience a similar but different romance plot take away from your enjoyment of that romance plot?

Yes. This is what baffles me.

AutumnWitch wrote...

Games are art. You do the medium a diservice by claiming otherwise. But then you seem to be the kind of customer Bioware wants. So there ya go. 

I can't put a finger on it, but something about this post just makes me seethe inside.

Thomas I am simply saying, that I as a consumer have a choice of where I spend my gaming money and I choose to pick games I can relate to. You have no idea how much I LOVE both DA games and how much dosh I have spent on them. Bioware has my number for sure on those....on the other hand, if in those games I couldnt relate to them then I'd buy another game. As much as I love, love, love DA games Biware is making them to make money and create jobs. Its a product albiet a product well made with lots of artisitc merrit, but still a product to buy.

[Plaintiff]

AutumnWitch wrote...

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Why does the abstract idea that someone might experience a similar but different romance plot take away from your enjoyment of that romance plot?

Yes. This is what baffles me.

AutumnWitch wrote...

Games are art. You do the medium a diservice by claiming otherwise. But then you seem to be the kind of customer Bioware wants. So there ya go. 

I can't put a finger on it, but something about this post just makes me seethe inside.

Thomas I am simply saying, that I as a consumer have a choice of where I spend my gaming money and I choose to pick games I can relate to. You have no idea how much I LOVE both DA games and how much dosh I have spent on them. Bioware has my number for sure on those....on the other hand, if in those games I couldnt relate to them then I'd buy another game. As much as I love, love, love DA games Biware is making them to make money and create jobs. Its a product albiet a product well made with lots of artisitc merrit, but still a product to buy.

He quoted you by accident. His comments were addressing the post made by slimgrin. He's not saying anything against you. At least, I don't think he is.

[Sjpelke]

So.....

Overall BW seems to do a pretty good job in catering to everyones wishes in the romance department.

People who play a game with an LI option overall take the route where their orientation is at, to which DA provides. I for one do not see the problem here.

If people start reading about other routes companions CAN take ingame other than the one they chose or would like to see, well...they got 'spoiled' about that because they read that information which should not take away the enjoyment they got from playing THEIR game imho.

[Plaintiff]

TsadeeHekate wrote...

So.....

Overall BW seems to do a pretty good job in catering to everyones wishes in the romance department.

People who play a game with an LI option overall take the route where their orientation is at, to which DA provides. I for one do not see the problem here.

If people start reading about other routes companions CAN take ingame other than the one they chose or would like to see, well...they got 'spoiled' about that because they read that information which should not take away the enjoyment they got from playing THEIR game imho.

But how can I enjoy a game if people play it differently to me? I need Bioware to cater to only me, and everyone else had just damn well better hope that their desires align with mine.

[slimgrin]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

The game shouldn't cater to your sexuality, nor your morality.

But it should do that for you?

I've never asked for this. Not once.

[Silfren]

iakus wrote...

I think this is the first time I've ever heard gender being called "arbitrary" 

This is not exactly on topic, but guess what?  A lot of things about gender IS arbitrary.

This attempt to head off the predictable objection is probably vain, but note that I specifically said "gender," and not "sex."  The two terms not synonymous.

Modifié par Silfren, 30 juin 2013 - 03:09 .

[Thomas Andresen]

Plaintiff wrote...

He quoted you by accident. His comments were addressing the post made by slimgrin. He's not saying anything against you. At least, I don't think he is.

'S right. Quoting fail deluxe. Fixed now.

[Plaintiff]

slimgrin wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

The game shouldn't cater to your sexuality, nor your morality.

But it should do that for you?

I've never asked for this. Not once.

What do you think you're doing when you say the reduction of romance choices is better than having all players be equal?

[Thomas Andresen]

slimgrin wrote...

I've never asked for this. Not once.

And what, exactly, did you not ask for?

Or better yet, what exactly is it you are asking for?

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

What about 2 straight LI's, 2 bi and 2 gay? Would that be considered fair?

After all its a bit unrealistic for everyone to be attracted to the PC. I liked that Aveline turned Hawke down, or at least ignored his flirting. It made her seem more real to me. Rejection is part of life.

[nightscrawl]

TsadeeHekate wrote...

People who play a game with an LI option overall take the route where their orientation is at, to which DA provides.

I don't know that this is necessarily accurate, but it does seem likely.

For my part at least, I prefer to play as a female character. It's not about my real orientation, which is straight. If there is a female companion that I really like and want to pursue the romance plot with, because I really like her as a person, I would like to be able to do that as my preferred PC gender.

Then there is the other factor where I want all of the LGBT gamers to have that as well. I think it's wonderful that Bioware has given those players a home, and hope that continues into the future. And if the rigidly straight players feel bad about that, well they can go off to the 90% of other game franchises that cater to THEM.

Shinian2 wrote...

What about 2 straight LI's, 2 bi and 2 gay? Would that be considered fair?

After all its a bit unrealistic for everyone to be attracted to the PC. I liked that Aveline turned Hawke down, or at least ignored his flirting. It made her seem more real to me. Rejection is part of life.

People seem to bring up Aveline and Varric in this way a lot. Neither of those were romancable in the first place, for either gender. They would reject Hawke either way. No one is asking for ALL companions to become LI, only for the ones that are assigned AS LI to be open to everyone. There can certainly be followers who do their own thing and have no interest in the PC whatsoever, like Aveline and Varric.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 30 juin 2013 - 03:20 .