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[BlueMagitek]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

To rephrase:
"For the same reason that lack of customisation in other areas of the game is a problem for other people."

I was going to say, at most I recall asking for an expansion upon existing systems, and not so much related to traditional customization options.

But I don't believe the two are equivilant.  More customization options are options for player that are segregated from the story and characters and whatnot.  Wanting every option open for the player in the story is directly related to the story and characters.

[Silfren]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Silfren wrote...

This issue has been covered recently in the thread a few times already, by myself and others.  Simply put, it does not solve the issue of people who get locked out of certain LIs if they don't want to play the gender that those LIs are available to.

Why is this a problem?

Because it iunnecessarily and arbitrarily locks players out of content if they don't want to play the required gender to access it.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

pfft it will all suck anyway.


True story.

[Plaintiff]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Thomas Andresen wrote...

To rephrase:
"For the same reason that lack of customisation in other areas of the game is a problem for other people."

I was going to say, at most I recall asking for an expansion upon existing systems, and not so much related to traditional customization options.

But I don't believe the two are equivilant.  More customization options are options for player that are segregated from the story and characters and whatnot.  Wanting every option open for the player in the story is directly related to the story and characters.

Bioware touts being able to customise the story to suit you as one of its more prominent features. Many developers of Western RPGs do this.

[BlueMagitek]

Silfren wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Silfren wrote...

This issue has been covered recently in the thread a few times already, by myself and others.  Simply put, it does not solve the issue of people who get locked out of certain LIs if they don't want to play the gender that those LIs are available to.

Why is this a problem?

Because it iunnecessarily and arbitrarily locks players out of content if they don't want to play the required gender to access it.

Players are also locked out of content based on their origin and class in DA:O.  I do not see a problem with it.  In fact, these variations between playthroughs make the game better, not worse. 

Why shouldn't I be allowed to go on a stealth mission for Slim if I am a Warrior or a Mage? Leliana and Zevran have the required skills between them.

[BlueMagitek]

Plaintiff wrote...
Bioware touts being able to customise the story to suit you as one of its more prominent features. Many developers of Western RPGs do this.

I believe Bioware advertised the Dragon Age series based on making choices that would influence the game, not making the game suit itself around you.

Perhaps I am wrong, however.  Can you provide an advertisement claiming this?

[lady_v23]

I am not getting it. People don't want everyone to be bi because it's unrealistic? Who freaking cares!
This is a game where magic is real, elves exist and a group of four can kill a dragon. Why of ALL the things, this it's what is being called unrealistic. This is just sadly laughable.

I support every LI to be bi, because that way everyone is happy.

[nightscrawl]

DinoSteve wrote...

pfft it will all suck anyway.


True story.

[Plaintiff]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
Bioware touts being able to customise the story to suit you as one of its more prominent features. Many developers of Western RPGs do this.

I believe Bioware advertised the Dragon Age series based on making choices that would influence the game, not making the game suit itself around you.

Perhaps I am wrong, however.  Can you provide an advertisement claiming this?

It's the same thing.

[Silfren]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Silfren wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Silfren wrote...

This issue has been covered recently in the thread a few times already, by myself and others.  Simply put, it does not solve the issue of people who get locked out of certain LIs if they don't want to play the gender that those LIs are available to.

Why is this a problem?

Because it iunnecessarily and arbitrarily locks players out of content if they don't want to play the required gender to access it.

Players are also locked out of content based on their origin and class in DA:O.  I do not see a problem with it.  In fact, these variations between playthroughs make the game better, not worse. 

Why shouldn't I be allowed to go on a stealth mission for Slim if I am a Warrior or a Mage? Leliana and Zevran have the required skills between them.

I'd try to explain how things like sexuality and gender affect real world people in real world ways that fictitious class and races do not, but I'm not sure it would be worth the time.

[Thomas Andresen]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Players are also locked out of content based on their origin and class in DA:O.  I do not see a problem with it.  In fact, these variations between playthroughs make the game better, not worse. 

Why shouldn't I be allowed to go on a stealth mission for Slim if I am a Warrior or a Mage? Leliana and Zevran have the required skills between them.

In a world like Thedas, gender is far more arbitrary than background. As opposed to the real world.

Modifié par Thomas Andresen, 30 juin 2013 - 03:56 .

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Plaintiff wrote...

Shinian2 wrote...
1. Because apparently some people have objections to doing that? I'm suggesting a compromise. Why does it always have to be 'my way or the highway' with some people?

I'm not opposed to the spread you suggested.

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2. Well, it depends on who you are bathing with.

But seriously, bathing and taxes are things that are plainly not interesting subjects of gameplay, whereas the possibility of rejection is an integral part of romance. Or do you successfully romance every man you are interested in real life?

In real life, I have yet to successfully romance any man ever, and that's something I'd rather not think about when I'm trying to play a videogame that advertises choice (not just in romance but in every aspect) as one of its major selling points.

Fair enough, but on the other hand, I've heard that being stabbed with a  dagger sucks, to say the least, but I'd be very surprised if someone who had actually been stabbed would refuse to play a game where people fighting with daggers or swords is the games major selling point.

More to the point (no pun intended) I've only successfully romanced one woman in my life but being able to romance Morrigan, Miranda or Leliana doesnt remind me of the fact that I wouldn't stand a chance with women like that in real life, nor does it concern me. That is to say, I guess I don't see where you are coming from.

[BlueMagitek]

Plaintiff wrote...

It's the same thing.

I do not consider the two to be the same at all.  One invokes changing the world entirely to suit you the player while the other is about how your character is capable of changing it.

Silfren wrote...

I'd try to explain how things like
sexuality and gender affect real world people in real world ways that
fictitious class and races do not, but I'm not sure it would be worth
the time.

And what exactly does the real world issues have to deal with a fictional world?  Again, why should all content be unlocked for every single class and gender and option made?

Thomas Andresen wrote...

In a world like Thedas, gender is far more arbitrary than background. Unlike the real world.

I like that you at least offer some explanation for it, but it remains that even in Thedas there are differences in gender roles.  Oghren and Sten cannot pretend to be Chantry priests to gain entrance to Fort Drakon as Morrigan and Lelianna can, for example.

[Thomas Andresen]

Shinian2 wrote...

Fair enough, but on the other hand, I've heard that being stabbed with a  dagger sucks, to say the least, but I'd be very surprised if someone who had actually been stabbed would refuse to play a game where people fighting with daggers or swords is the games major selling point.

That analogy is so terrible, it makes me literally sick.

[slimgrin]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Shinian2 wrote...

Fair enough, but on the other hand, I've heard that being stabbed with a  dagger sucks, to say the least, but I'd be very surprised if someone who had actually been stabbed would refuse to play a game where people fighting with daggers or swords is the games major selling point.

That analogy is so terrible, it makes me literally sick.

I thought I made you sick, how are you getting through all of this?

Modifié par slimgrin, 30 juin 2013 - 04:03 .

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Silfren wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Silfren wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Silfren wrote...

This issue has been covered recently in the thread a few times already, by myself and others.  Simply put, it does not solve the issue of people who get locked out of certain LIs if they don't want to play the gender that those LIs are available to.

Why is this a problem?

Because it iunnecessarily and arbitrarily locks players out of content if they don't want to play the required gender to access it.

Players are also locked out of content based on their origin and class in DA:O.  I do not see a problem with it.  In fact, these variations between playthroughs make the game better, not worse. 

Why shouldn't I be allowed to go on a stealth mission for Slim if I am a Warrior or a Mage? Leliana and Zevran have the required skills between them.

I'd try to explain how things like sexuality and gender affect real world people in real world ways that fictitious class and races do not, but I'm not sure it would be worth the time.

Why bring 'the real world' into this? In the real world most people are not bi,and most people will not automatically return your interest in them, regardless of gender or sexuality. Therefore you are not arguing for any 'real world' relationships in game, are you?

[Silfren]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Shinian2 wrote...

Fair enough, but on the other hand, I've heard that being stabbed with a  dagger sucks, to say the least, but I'd be very surprised if someone who had actually been stabbed would refuse to play a game where people fighting with daggers or swords is the games major selling point.

That analogy is so terrible, it makes me literally sick.

I can guarantee you that there are people in the world who have exactly that problem.  If someone was sufficiently traumatized by a stabbing it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone if they found stabbity stab stab scenes to be triggering. 

There's plenty of people, for instance, who cannot play RPGs like DA without first modding out all the giant spiders, because their arachnophobia really is just that crippling.

[Plaintiff]

Shinian2 wrote...
Fair enough, but on the other hand, I've heard that being stabbed with a  dagger sucks, to say the least, but I'd be very surprised if someone who had actually been stabbed would refuse to play a game where people fighting with daggers or swords is the games major selling point.

More to the point (no pun intended) I've only successfully romanced one woman in my life but being able to romance Morrigan, Miranda or Leliana doesnt remind me of the fact that I wouldn't stand a chance with women like that in real life, nor does it concern me. That is to say, I guess I don't see where you are coming from.

Being stabbed isn't boring, though. And while I don't see how this is relevant to the topic at hand, people who have been physically attacked in real life can be and often are bothered by fictional depictions of violence. Rape scenes or even the mention of rape, can trigger discomfort in people who have experienced that trauma in real life.

As for romances, characters aren't locked out of them based on their choice of species, or even (barring a few rare instances) for committing acts that their love interest finds utterly despicable. Compared to that, why would gender matter at all?

In fact, Dragon Age has deliberately crafted a society where gender matters very little. Why should the mechanics not reflect that?

Modifié par Plaintiff, 30 juin 2013 - 04:06 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

lady_v23 wrote...

I support every LI to be bi, because that way everyone is happy.

So y'all n*ggas out here getting all salted at all the characters being accessible to everyone, but not the (far more important) writing, #doe?

Like, seriously, why does it matter?

Yo, as long as you can't accidentally trigger a sex scene, and then the characters be all like, "Those are some sexyass eyelashes, they remind me of bugs, I want to rip them off and preserve them in a jar."



SWEAR FO' GOD I RESET BEHIND THAT SH*T

[Thomas Andresen]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Thomas Andresen wrote...

In a world like Thedas, gender is far more arbitrary than background. Unlike the real world.

I like that you at least offer some explanation for it, but it remains that even in Thedas there are differences in gender roles.  Oghren and Sten cannot pretend to be Chantry priests to gain entrance to Fort Drakon as Morrigan and Lelianna can, for example.

Whether or not they can has nothing to do with their gender. Males are initiated into the clergy, even if only females ascend beyond the rank of sister/brother. Outside of Tevinter, that is. Sten being Qunari to the very bone might be a bigger problem, however.

[Silfren]

BlueMagitek wrote...
And what exactly does the real world issues have to deal with a fictional world?  Again, why should all content be unlocked for every single classand gender and option made?

Shinian2 wrote...
Why bring 'the real world' into this? In the real world most people are not bi,and most people will not automatically return your interest in them, regardless of gender or sexuality. Therefore you are not arguing for any 'real world' relationships in game, are you?

Yeah, I kind of figured it was pointless.

Modifié par Silfren, 30 juin 2013 - 04:10 .

[kinderschlager]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

It's the same thing.

I do not consider the two to be the same at all.  One invokes changing the world entirely to suit you the player while the other is about how your character is capable of changing it.

Silfren wrote...

I'd try to explain how things like
sexuality and gender affect real world people in real world ways that
fictitious class and races do not, but I'm not sure it would be worth
the time.

And what exactly does the real world issues have to deal with a fictional world?  Again, why should all content be unlocked for every single class and gender and option made?

Thomas Andresen wrote...

In a world like Thedas, gender is far more arbitrary than background. Unlike the real world.

I like that you at least offer some explanation for it, but it remains that even in Thedas there are differences in gender roles.  Oghren and Sten cannot pretend to be Chantry priests to gain entrance to Fort Drakon as Morrigan and Lelianna can, for example.

i need to stop breaking myself out, i should really see how it goes breaking IN tto the prison

[BlueMagitek]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Whether or not they can has nothing to do with their gender. Males are initiated into the clergy, even if only females ascend beyond the rank of sister/brother. Outside of Tevinter, that is. Sten being Qunari to the very bone might be a bigger problem, however.

Yes, so it isn't even an option for them based upon their gender.  How dreadful that must be. 

Why can't a female Cousland ascend the throne on her own or with Anora?  Why is a non Cousland unallowed to have the Throne of Ferelden?  These are differences on gender and background.  Is it a problem that the Human Noble is allowed this option at all?  A restriction upon gender, background and class!

[Sjpelke]

Plaintiff wrote...

TsadeeHekate wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

TsadeeHekate wrote...

So.....

Overall BW seems to do a pretty good job in catering to everyones wishes in the romance department.

People who play a game with an LI option overall take the route where their orientation is at, to which DA provides. I for one do not see the problem here.

If people start reading about other routes companions CAN take ingame other than the one they chose or would like to see, well...they got 'spoiled' about that because they read that information which should not take away the enjoyment they got from playing THEIR game imho.

But how can I enjoy a game if people play it differently to me? I need Bioware to cater to only me, and everyone else had just damn well better hope that their desires align with mine.

Have no idea what your wishes are; can only go from my point of view which I gave and you quoted that.

How you would like to play your game is up to you and BW decides how they write their game which is ultimately what you get when you play it.

Am getting into this but do not see the logic in your quote of my post and will not respond if there is no substantial reason given other than you not taking other people in account who play the same game you play not accepting their point of view/way of playing.

I was being sarcastic. I am not arguing against you, I was just making a joke.

Sometimes someone being sarcastic is difficult for me to see as I am not native english. Was checking to get to know how your response was meant.

Discussion is not wrong as long as the ones involved are treated with respect.

[Thomas Andresen]

Plaintiff wrote...

Being stabbed isn't boring, though. And while I don't see how this is relevant to the topic at hand, people who have been physically attacked in real life can be and often are bothered by fictional depictions of violence. Rape scenes or even the mention of rape, can trigger discomfort in people who have experienced that trauma in real life.

Rejection does have a significantly lower risk than violence of inducing PTSD in a person.

Plaintiff wrote...

In fact, Dragon Age has deliberately crafted a society where gender matters very little. Why should the mechanics not reflect that?

It does appear that this concept might be impossible to grasp.