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[Qyla]

Since when not knowing something= that thing doesn't exsist?O-o

[Thomas Andresen]

Morocco Mole wrote...

As I said. That doesn't make sense. Even if having a half-elf is a bigger stigma, not having any children should also be one.

And one line of dialog wow

It's certainly more than nothing, which is what you claimed, and it really should be more than enough.

[WildOrchid]

Shinian2 wrote...


Just like in ME3, as I understand it. As  a male Shep you can make a pass at Traynor but will be politely rejected. I assume the same thing goes with Femshep and Cortez?

No, this does not happen with female Shepard. Because males are allowed to hit on gay girls and females aren't allowed to hit on gay guys. /rolleyes
But it's also the fact that Cortez mentions his husband when he talks with Shepard so Shepard automatically assumes he's gay. If Traynor was more obvious than just liking EDI's voice (even straight girls can like female voices duhhh) then this wouldn't happen.

Bioware probably made maleshep dumb on purpose so he can hit on Sam. That's how I see it, otherwise I don't see why there wasn't an option for female Shepard to hit on Cortez as well. I call this bad writing and favoring the straight males.

Sorry for the OT.


Also this thread is interesting and I'm glad it hasn't been locked and I hope it stays unlocked.. very interesting posts here.....
Not gonna say more since most people here covered me enough on this matter and I totally agree with the OP of this thread.

[DarthLaxian]

Morocco Mole wrote...
 not having any children should also be one.

why should having no children be a stigma?

sorry, but no way (!) - i don't have any in real live (ok, i am in my mid-20's so it is not all that unnatural) and i do not want any, so why should i be looked down upon, just because i (or my character in dragon age) do not see my purpose on this world in being a "breeder"? (even more as i would say i would make for a bad father and rather than inflict myself on a child and try being a good father (which i am sure i would fail dismally at), i rather use my time to help others, do my own thing etc....why is that so wrong? - please, tell me...i mean, we are not animals, so we can give live another meaning (animals can't decide that, we can - fortunately!)...why should we not?...and please don't use "god" (atheist here!) as basis for an argument (firstly: you can't base an argument upong a faulty premises - which god is, if you do not believe and secondly: even if there is a god, what i do would be between me and him) or that family and children is the natural way to live (by that argument: marriage is an unnatural construct that is illogical - for the man anyway) etc.

please: give me one reason why people should be looked down upon if they don't have any children and don't want any

greetings LAX

[BlueMagitek]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Well, I think you're conflating "romanced PC" with "female PC." Had Alistair been open to romancing a male PC, I'd not be surprised if he did the same thing. I don't think the scene you describe must be a reflection of choice of sex, simply because it happened to be one. Sort of an idea of a correlated variable, but ultimately a different cause.

I would not say the two are unrelated; Alistair can only be romanced by a female PC because his preference for females is a part of his character.  You are correct in that the actual romanced part is the most important.

Coming back from that tangent, however, I think people might be more willing to accept if Fenris' depiction had been much more anti-mage, given what they learn about Fenris in the game. My question for you, however, is: is there anything in the game that actually makes it logically inconsistent with the game world as you know it, for Fenris to be in a relationship with a man? How about a woman?

I can fully understand and agree that it's reasonable for Fenris to reject a mage. Of what importance is it, that Fenris reject a man or a woman? To me, it seems like the principal reason is external of the game. Am I wrong?

No, there is nothing inconsistent with the game world in the case of Fenris - quite the opposite in fact, as we are told he was in a relationship with his old master (though the amount of consent given is most likely questionable).  He then begins a 'relationship' with Isabella.  His depiction was consistent with what we are shown in game.  We'll take Merrill.  I don't believe she is ever shown to be in a romantic relationship, only that she very much appreciated the half nude Qunari.  Aside from postulatioin on Dalish culture (which she is rebelling against anyway), a judgment cannot be made either way.  So for Merrill, it is not logically inconsistent for her to be in a relationship with either sex.

On the other hand, does it not bother you about how Anders' relationship with Karl is depicted is based on sex rather than being a static thing (or if it is static, why would Anders choose not to mention it?  If Hawke is considering Anders, him being a Mage would probably be a bigger hurdle than previous sexual partners).

I suppose you are correct.  I simply prefer for a game to not alter itself to fit my character.  I feel that different solutions should be available for different characters; this includes subtle things like sex to more obvious things like class.  For example, look to Fallout 2.  A Female PC is able to sleep with the slaver boss to drastically reduce the amount of money required to buy a quest important slave.  This option isn't available to male PCs.  I do not have a problem with this because it allows for more varied playthroughs.  Is that desire wrong?

[BlueMagitek]

Hazegurl wrote...

Tim Curry is better.

You would expect that, true, but then he turns into a demonic hell clown and just completely ruins the mood!

[Magdalena11]

In DA, children are the entire reason for marriage. People can have sexual relationships with either gender and in many contexts (just like in real life) but if they're going to procreate marriage is the intended context. I don't have a problem with this. If I don't want to enter a binding relationship I won't. My warden/Hawke is never going to have a place in society that lasts so I don't have to.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Tim Curry is better.

You would expect that, true, but then he turns into a demonic hell clown and just completely ruins the mood!

Sooooo hot

[BlueMagitek]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Sooooo hot

But then the hell clown turns into a giant demonic spider.

And suddenly he's back to Tim Curry Pirate. 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Sooooo hot

But then the hell clown turns into a giant demonic spider.

And suddenly he's back to Tim Curry Pirate. 

[In Exile]

Allan Schumacher wrote...
Did DAO make it clear?  In other words, was it internal (within the game) or external (forums, or something similar) that let you know that, say, Alistair could not be romanced by a male character?

After the "are you a virign" and licking a lampost in winter conversation, I was pretty sure an Alistair M/M romance was possible my first time through. 

[LPPrince]

I'm just going to assume that after DA2's reception and sales trends that more time and probably money is going into DA:I.

Hopefully if more funding is there, it gets put towards the important stuff first(main plot, main character, etc etc). But if it ever gets to romances, boy I do I hope they figure out a way to get all those interesting relationship styles in place.

ME3 kinda had that, with a relationship with Thane ending in his death, a relationship with Jacob ending in his leaving you for another woman(AND getting her pregnant, AND the other woman suggested the baby be named Shepard, JEEEEZ).

But if that happens in DA:I or future DA games, it gets split amongst the genders and sexualities.

Straight FemSheps got screwed in ME3 if by the choices they made in games, they had Kaiden die on Virmire(ME1) and lost Garrus in the Suicide Mission(ME2). No heterosexual happy romantic endings for them, they were then stuck with either going for Samantha Traynor or Liara.

I think its a bit delicate, but if possible, it'd be cool if there were "failed" or rather, "not optimum" relationships somewhat across the board, whether the character's man or woman, gay or lesbian, straight or bisexual, human or elf, etc etc.

Spread them out a bit better. And of course keep the happy relationships around too for as many as possible.

I feel lucky everything worked out with Tali(besides that bed side photo). Phew.

[Plaintiff]

In Exile wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...
Did DAO make it clear?  In other words, was it internal (within the game) or external (forums, or something similar) that let you know that, say, Alistair could not be romanced by a male character?

After the "are you a virign" and licking a lampost in winter conversation, I was pretty sure an Alistair M/M romance was possible my first time through. 

I've always joked with my other gay gamer friends that Alistair is the gayest straight character I've ever seen.

[nightscrawl]

DarthLaxian wrote...

please: give me one reason why people should be looked down upon if they don't have any children and don't want any

It's not a real life issue, it's a statement about the elves in Thedas, especially Dalish elves. The reason would be that because they are a dwindling population, it can be considered irresponsible to (1) inter-breed with a human, or (2) as a healthy adult, to forgo having children at all.

There are about 7 BILLION humans on earth. I think we as a species are safe if you Lax decide to not have children. However, if some catastrophe were to suddenly happen and we were reduced to 50,000 people (Battlestar Galactica, anyone?), it would be irresponsible to still have that view. I say this as someone who also has no desire to have children.

So I think it is perfectly understandable that there would be a stigma against mating with a human. Unfortunately for the elves, they are too unorganized and scattered to have any sort of breeding program that allows for propagation of the species, while still allowing people to fall in love with whomever they want outside of the breeding program.

One solution might be to have massive orgies at their deca-annual meetings. Not only would this help with breeding, but it would also introduce fresh DNA into the various clans.

[dragondreamer]

Spatchmo wrote...

I am going through and watching old cut scenes from DAO, and I just have to add, I was very disappointed that Alistair wasn't a romance option for the male warden. I know some people are adamantly against it but I really do hope all the love interests are bisexual or player-sexual.

Yeah.  Sometimes I see all the drama from players with female Wardens upset that they couldn't be Queen.  I just wish my male Warden had the opportunity to romance Alistair at all.  I did think that maybe it was possible for a short time when the lamp post conversation happened.  Then there was the glitch where Alistair kept having random dialogue like "My love" etc, as if he was just tormenting my Warden forever.  

[The Hierophant]

nightscrawl wrote...

One solution might be to have massive orgies at their deca-annual meetings. Not only would this help with breeding, but it would also introduce fresh DNA into the various clans.

Eww. Do you remember how the elves looked? It would look like that unnecessary random orgy scene in the "Island of Dr Moreau" remake.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Plaintiff wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...
Did DAO make it clear?  In other words, was it internal (within the game) or external (forums, or something similar) that let you know that, say, Alistair could not be romanced by a male character?

After the "are you a virign" and licking a lampost in winter conversation, I was pretty sure an Alistair M/M romance was possible my first time through. 

I've always joked with my other gay gamer friends that Alistair is the gayest straight character I've ever seen.

Hey just because he moans "Duncan" during sex doesn't mean anything!!!!

[Plaintiff]

The Hierophant wrote...

nightscrawl wrote...

One solution might be to have massive orgies at their deca-annual meetings. Not only would this help with breeding, but it would also introduce fresh DNA into the various clans.

Eww. Do you remember how the elves looked? It would look like that unnecessary random orgy scene in the "Island of Dr Moreau" remake.

Nobody's saying you have to watch it.

[nightscrawl]

dragondreamer wrote...

Yeah.  Sometimes I see all the drama from players with female Wardens upset that they couldn't be Queen.  I just wish my male Warden had the opportunity to romance Alistair at all.  I did think that maybe it was possible for a short time when the lamp post conversation happened.  Then there was the glitch where Alistair kept having random dialogue like "My love" etc, as if he was just tormenting my Warden forever.  

As a female mage player, it has never bothered me one bit. In fact, I have a head canon revolving around a non-marriage relationship with Alistair and my Warden, which I enjoy. My character has no desire to be queen anyway, which you can argue is a bit hypocritical on her part, since she made Al king.

At any rate, I don't think that "drama" is out of a desire to be queen (well, it might be for some players), rather than to have the relationship be validated by marriage. This is a view that many people have in real life also, concerning marriage; incidentally not one that I share, which is probably why this issue doesn't affect me.

At any rate, I feel ya. If I could have romanced Morrigan as my female mage, I would have. Two shapeshifter mage gals, running through the woods as wolves, pwning darkspawn face as spiders. Awesome .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Filament wrote...

nightscrawl wrote...

One solution might be to have massive orgies at their deca-annual meetings. Not only would this help with breeding, but it would also introduce fresh DNA into the various clans.

I believe the term is "frolicking." :innocent:

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[The Hierophant]

Plaintiff wrote...

Nobody's saying you have to watch it.

Who would? One accidental glance is enough to induce madness.

[LPPrince]

I can't remember what Mr. Gaider said about marriage in-game, so I won't presume to guess how he felt, but I think that marriage would be cool to see in game, if there was a sufficient amount of time passing during the events of the plot.

Instead of getting an achievement for bedding your romance option or kissing them in the 3rd act, how about a marriage occurring?

And if they want to go there, of the red variety.