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[TurretSyndrome]

EJ107 wrote...
Well, it was only a relatively small ammount of rivalry, so gameplay-wise it's still very easy to get full friendship with him if you go around being nice to mages. 

Also, rivalry doesn't make him leave and leave you with no healer. It might put you off his character and not want to have him in your party, leaving you without a healer, but let's be honest: Anders was such a divisive character that this would have happened anyway, even if he was not an LI. 

So yeah, one +5 rivalry isn't going to screw players over gameplay-wise. 

It's not big of a deal but it is still there. Saying that we're completely OK with it might encourage them to keep at it. Kind of like microtransactions.

[Hellion Rex]

EJ107 wrote...

It is an interesting point, because Dragon Age 2 also had Isabela very blatantly hitting on Hawke's of both gender, and you don't many people complaining about that. 

Although I do have to admit that I personally found the way Anders hit on my Hawke incredibly creepy, and I still can't put my finger on exactly what it was that made it so off-putting. Zevran, Isabela and several NPC's like Jethann hit on my character and none of those made me feel uncomfortable in the same way. 

I suppose in a way it was good writing, considering how distrurbed Anders is mentally, although I'm not sure it was meant to come across that way. 

I too had no issue with Isabela hitting on me as a gay guy, and thought it was rather funny. same with any female character who hit on me. The first time Amders hit on me, I had no problems, cause I thought he was rather hot. But once I started meta gaming, I could not make myself finish a romance with him. 

Modifié par eluvianix, 29 novembre 2013 - 01:44 .

[Wulfram]

EJ107 wrote...

It is an interesting point, because Dragon Age 2 also had Isabela very blatantly hitting on Hawke's of both gender, and you don't many people complaining about that. 

I do occasionally complain that the PC automatically smirks about it, though.

[Plaintiff]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Ashley annoyed me too. Not because she expressed an attraction to me, but because she seemed to keep pursuing me despite all my best efforts to make it clear that I wasn't interested in her.

I'd been planning to nuke her anyway, but her repeated sexual harassment saved me from feeling bad about it.

I like how you said the exact same thing you criticized someone else for saying lol

Wanting to punch someone in the face for asking you on a date once is not at all the same thing as having someone pursue you after you've politely expressed disinterest multiple times. In real life, the latter situation is regarded as criminal behaviour, at least where I am. If Ashley had been a man, it would've looked as bad as it actually is.

But anyway, I said Ashley was annoying, not that her character should be changed, or that I should've been given the option to assault her. I didn't nuke her to 'punish' her, I was planning to nuke her before I ever even met her, because my intent was always to romance Kaidan, and I kinda needed him alive for that.

I also found Ashley boring and thougt she was a bully, but I don't think the writers should've changed that either, because I'm not demanding or expecting to like every character they make. In fact, I dislike quite a few. Would I prefer it if they were gone? Maybe, but I'm not going to ask for it.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 29 novembre 2013 - 01:50 .

[Hellion Rex]

Lebdood wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

That doesn't sound like it would work very well if your Shepard is interested in men, just not Steve, though.

It does.

You end up having a choice of either saying that you are into Steve, or are waiting for the right guy.

Steve takes the hint, keeps on dancing, and even calls Shepard a great friend.

Frankly, this is probably what most people wanted from the Anders initiation. But Steve was way more stable than Anders ever was.

To be fair though, Steve was not possessed by a spirit either. 

[Rusty Sandusky]

EJ107 wrote...

It is an interesting point, because Dragon Age 2 also had Isabela very blatantly hitting on Hawke's of both gender, and you don't many people complaining about that. 

Although I do have to admit that I personally found the way Anders hit on my Hawke incredibly creepy, and I still can't put my finger on exactly what it was that made it so off-putting. Zevran, Isabela and several NPC's like Jethann hit on my character and none of those made me feel uncomfortable in the same way. 

I suppose in a way it was good writing, considering how distrurbed Anders is mentally, although I'm not sure it was meant to come across that way. 

It's probably because Anders is well...Anders.

[Hellion Rex]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Isabela is another problem with the friendship/rivalry system.

In what way?

[Hellion Rex]

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

It is an interesting point, because Dragon Age 2 also had Isabela very blatantly hitting on Hawke's of both gender, and you don't many people complaining about that. 

Although I do have to admit that I personally found the way Anders hit on my Hawke incredibly creepy, and I still can't put my finger on exactly what it was that made it so off-putting. Zevran, Isabela and several NPC's like Jethann hit on my character and none of those made me feel uncomfortable in the same way. 

I suppose in a way it was good writing, considering how distrurbed Anders is mentally, although I'm not sure it was meant to come across that way. 

It's probably because Anders is well...Anders.

Did that come because of what you initially saw, or because of how the ending of the game shook out?

[Br3admax]

I assume that he means the fact that she can leave if you don't have high enough Friendship/Rivalry. It's not that hard to do really, but it can be a hassle.

[Hellion Rex]

Morocco Mole wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

In what way?

You have to really grind out the friendship/rivalry points in a very consistent manner or she leaves you at the end of act 2. If you **** up too much, it is impossible to keep her around.

i guess it just depends on one's personal perspective. I had no issue keeping Isabela as a friend. 

[Br3admax]

eluvianix wrote...

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

It is an interesting point, because Dragon Age 2 also had Isabela very blatantly hitting on Hawke's of both gender, and you don't many people complaining about that. 

Although I do have to admit that I personally found the way Anders hit on my Hawke incredibly creepy, and I still can't put my finger on exactly what it was that made it so off-putting. Zevran, Isabela and several NPC's like Jethann hit on my character and none of those made me feel uncomfortable in the same way. 

I suppose in a way it was good writing, considering how distrurbed Anders is mentally, although I'm not sure it was meant to come across that way. 

It's probably because Anders is well...Anders.

Did that come because of what you initially saw, or because of how the ending of the game shook out?

Anders is way annoying and an archdemon short of a Blight well before the end of the game. The ending wasn't really shocking to me, as I payed attention, and knew how the story would go at that point. Anders is off putting by being that one person who tries way too hard for sympathy he doesn't deserve. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 29 novembre 2013 - 01:53 .

[Hellion Rex]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Even ignoring the end game, Anders is probably the most irritating character I have ever had the displeasure of having around.

What facet of his character annoyed you so much?

[Rusty Sandusky]

Br3ad wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

It is an interesting point, because Dragon Age 2 also had Isabela very blatantly hitting on Hawke's of both gender, and you don't many people complaining about that. 

Although I do have to admit that I personally found the way Anders hit on my Hawke incredibly creepy, and I still can't put my finger on exactly what it was that made it so off-putting. Zevran, Isabela and several NPC's like Jethann hit on my character and none of those made me feel uncomfortable in the same way. 

I suppose in a way it was good writing, considering how distrurbed Anders is mentally, although I'm not sure it was meant to come across that way. 

It's probably because Anders is well...Anders.

Did that come because of what you initially saw, or because of how the ending of the game shook out?

Anders is way annoying and an archdemon short of a Blight well before the end of the game. The ending wasn't really shocking to me, as I payed attention, and knew how the story would go at that point. Anders is off putting by being that one person who tries way too hard for sympathy he doesn't deserve. 

He has soul pain and Justice inside him.

[Hellion Rex]

Br3ad wrote...
Anders is way annoying and an archdemon short of a Blight well before the end of the game. The ending wasn't really shocking to me, as I payed attention, and knew how the story would go at that point. Anders is off putting by being that one person who tries way too hard for sympathy he doesn't deserve. 

Sympathy for his own plight or for the mages?

[Plaintiff]

Morocco Mole wrote...
The point is that players shouldn't be punished for it like they are with Anders.

You've yet to present a compelling reason why. Why is it okay for him to rack up rivalry points in other situations, but not this one?

Anyway, Rivalry's not a 'punishment', you don't lose anything from it. I deliberately Rival at least one third of the party on all my playthroughs.

Part of this is the ****ty approval system and the part is that Anders can be your only healer and you can be screwed majorly because of that.

The passive bonuses are not a big deal, and missing out on them doesn't "screw you majorly". And he doesn't leave the party if you reject him, so you're not losing your only healer for doing so.

Or are you saying that characters shouldn't be allowed to leave the party under any circumstance?

[Ianamus]

eluvianix wrote...

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

It's probably because Anders is well...Anders.

Did that come because of what you initially saw, or because of how the ending of the game shook out?

What I originally saw, actually. I honestly don't know... I've looked back over it on some youtube video's and it doesn't seem that bad in hindsight, but I did find something incredibly off-putting about the whole scene the first time I played it through.

eluvianix wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

In what way?

You have to really grind out the friendship/rivalry points in a very consistent manner or she leaves you at the end of act 2. If you **** up too much, it is impossible to keep her around.

i guess it just depends on one's personal perspective. I had no issue keeping Isabela as a friend. 

I lost Isabela on my first playthrough because of this, and only managed to keep her my second playthrough with a fair amount of meta-gaming. My PC is always a rogue and I disliked dual daggers in DA2, which didn't help matters in terms of having her around to get rivalry/friendship.

I did like the rivalry system though- more than the like/dislike system from Origins, and rivalry paths and rivalmances could be much more intersting than friendship routes. I'm interested to see how approval will be handled in Inquisition. From what we've seen do far it seems to be entirely decision-based with no bar.

Modifié par EJ107, 29 novembre 2013 - 02:00 .

[Hellion Rex]

Morocco Mole wrote...

He's just overall obnoxious, angsty to a ludicrous degree, and one-dimensional because he never shuts up about the mages for one minute.

Some could make the same argument about Fenris, although I can see how both characters can be seen as such. 
Personally, I was a Mage who didn't have that much trouble with Anders, even though I preferred Fenris. 

[TurretSyndrome]

Well I hope they have enough time to craft an entirely new relationship system(or keep nothing at all which would also be great) rather than keep the DA 2 abomination.

[Ianamus]

eluvianix wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
Anders is way annoying and an archdemon short of a Blight well before the end of the game. The ending wasn't really shocking to me, as I payed attention, and knew how the story would go at that point. Anders is off putting by being that one person who tries way too hard for sympathy he doesn't deserve. 

Sympathy for his own plight or for the mages?

Anders doesn't seem to be able to differentiate between the two, which is a large part of the problem. 

[Br3admax]

eluvianix wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
Anders is way annoying and an archdemon short of a Blight well before the end of the game. The ending wasn't really shocking to me, as I payed attention, and knew how the story would go at that point. Anders is off putting by being that one person who tries way too hard for sympathy he doesn't deserve. 

Sympathy for his own plight or for the mages?

The amount of whining that he does is not necessary of either.