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[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Approval system should have different amount of negative and positive points. If you make a drastic decision the amount of negative points can be -50. If you lost too much approval a critical dialogue should show up and then you need to convince the companion to stay with you or not to join your enemy or try to kill you (make him/her leave this land peacefully). If you fail, face the ugly consequence!

[Plaintiff]

As the only party member with a social conscience, I find Anders the most appealing by miles.

[Hellion Rex]

TurretSyndrome wrote...

Well I hope they have enough time to craft an entirely new relationship system(or keep nothing at all which would also be great) rather than keep the DA 2 abomination.

I actually liked the system, but I would not be adverse to having a new system or none at all. 

[Hellion Rex]

Plaintiff wrote...

As the only party member with a social conscience, I find Anders the most appealing by miles.

Umm, Aveline? 

[Lebanese Dude]

eluvianix wrote...
To be fair though, Steve was not possessed by a spirit either. 

Well yes. I never said Anders has always had issues. It's clear that merging with justice left his emotional control reeling.

[Ianamus]

Plaintiff wrote...

As the only party member with a social conscience, I find Anders the most appealing by miles.

I don't see how a guy who blows up a church has more social conscience than the captain of the city guard who cares only about protecting people...

But anyway, this is off-topic.

[Hellion Rex]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Fenris talks about things other than mages however. He just has a terrible design.

Ok, riddle me this then: what DID you like about a DA2?

[Hellion Rex]

Morocco Mole wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Ok, riddle me this then: what DID you like about a DA2?

Aveline and Carver.

And that's about it.

Fair enough. To each their own. 

[Lebanese Dude]

Plaintiff wrote...

As the only party member with a social conscience, I find Anders the most appealing by miles.

That's unfair. Aveline comes to mind.

Even Isabela agrees that keeping the ship is a bad idea if you're in a rivalry relationship.

[Wulfram]

Plaintiff wrote...

Anyway, Rivalry's not a 'punishment', you don't lose anything from it. I deliberately Rival at least one third of the party on all my playthroughs.

It's a punishment if you're going on the friendship path, which if you made the choices necessary to get this conversation, the player surely is.

Of course if you somehow got it while on the rivalry path, then it would be a bonus.  Which is even sillier.

[Br3admax]

That dastardly Varric/Bethany/Aveline/Carver/Merrill and their hate of social groups outside their own.

Modifié par Br3ad, 29 novembre 2013 - 02:20 .

[Lebanese Dude]

Wulfram wrote...
It's a punishment if you're going on the friendship path, which if you made the choices necessary to get this conversation, the player surely is.

Of course if you somehow got it while on the rivalry path, then it would be a bonus.  Which is even sillier.

Perhaps you could use that conversation to learn that Anders isn't someone who takes rejection easily? 
(not necessarily from the romance perspective)

[Ianamus]

Wulfram wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Anyway, Rivalry's not a 'punishment', you don't lose anything from it. I deliberately Rival at least one third of the party on all my playthroughs.

It's a punishment if you're going on the friendship path, which if you made the choices necessary to get this conversation, the player surely is.

Of course if you somehow got it while on the rivalry path, then it would be a bonus.  Which is even sillier.

Actually this is a good point. You're taking people who obviously agree with Anders and would be taking his friendship path and giving them a choice where there only options are rivalry points or to start a romance. 

Even if it's in-charatcer it isn't a particuarly good design choice. 

Modifié par EJ107, 29 novembre 2013 - 02:18 .

[Plaintiff]

eluvianix wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

As the only party member with a social conscience, I find Anders the most appealing by miles.

Umm, Aveline? 

Having a social conscience means being concerned with injustice. Aveline upholds the law; they're not the same thing. She only seems to care about maintaining order, not so much doing what's 'right'. I don't feel like I get a good sense of her internal morality, but outwardly she seems perfectly happy to go along with corrupt authority, except when it inconveniences her personally.

[Br3admax]

Plaintiff wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

As the only party member with a social conscience, I find Anders the most appealing by miles.

Umm, Aveline? 

Having a social conscience means being concerned with injustice. Aveline upholds the law; they're not the same thing. She only seems to care about maintaining order, not so much doing what's 'right'. I don't feel like I get a good sense of her internal morality, but outwardly she seems perfectly happy to go along with corrupt authority, except when it inconveniences her personally.

Havng a social conscience also means acknowledging the otherside as well and realizing their points. It doesn't mean agreeing only with the side that you think is right. Otherwise, everyone is in the right. 

[Hellion Rex]

Plaintiff wrote...

Having a social conscience means being concerned with injustice. Aveline upholds the law; they're not the same thing. She only seems to care about maintaining order, not so much doing what's 'right'. I don't feel like I get a good sense of her internal morality, but outwardly she seems perfectly happy to go along with corrupt authority, except when it inconveniences her personally.

When you are speaking of corrupt authority, were you speaking of the Guards?

Modifié par eluvianix, 29 novembre 2013 - 02:27 .

[HiroVoid]

Also, the only problem Anders tries to face is the one that affects him personally. I don't see him trying to do anything about Tevinter's enslavement system. In fact, he approves of Fenris's enslavement.

[Ianamus]

Plaintiff wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

As the only party member with a social conscience, I find Anders the most appealing by miles.

Umm, Aveline? 

Having a social conscience means being concerned with injustice. Aveline upholds the law; they're not the same thing. She only seems to care about maintaining order, not so much doing what's 'right'. I don't feel like I get a good sense of her internal morality, but outwardly she seems perfectly happy to go along with corrupt authority, except when it inconveniences her personally.

Aveline approves of killing the deranged son of an influential magistrate, even though the orders are to bring him in alive. She is willing to go against the law if she believes it is for the greater good. 

And what's this about being concerned with injustice? There is one companion who gains friendship points for selling Fenris into slavery. Any guesses who that companion is? 

He only cares about the injustice facing his minority group, no-one elses. If he was not a mage he wouldn't care about them, as he is completely unable to sympathise with anyone who is not like himself or doesn't see things exactly the way he does. 

Modifié par EJ107, 29 novembre 2013 - 02:34 .

[HiroVoid]

EJ107 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

As the only party member with a social conscience, I find Anders the most appealing by miles.

Umm, Aveline? 

Having a social conscience means being concerned with injustice. Aveline upholds the law; they're not the same thing. She only seems to care about maintaining order, not so much doing what's 'right'. I don't feel like I get a good sense of her internal morality, but outwardly she seems perfectly happy to go along with corrupt authority, except when it inconveniences her personally.

Aveline approves of killing the deranged son of an influential magistrate, even though the orders are to bring him in alive. She is willing to go against the law if she believes it is for the greater good. 

And what's this about being concerned with injustice? There is one companion who gains friendship points for selling Fenris into slavery. Any guesses who that companion is? 

Is.....is it Isabella?

[Br3admax]

HiroVoid wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

As the only party member with a social conscience, I find Anders the most appealing by miles.

Umm, Aveline? 

Having a social conscience means being concerned with injustice. Aveline upholds the law; they're not the same thing. She only seems to care about maintaining order, not so much doing what's 'right'. I don't feel like I get a good sense of her internal morality, but outwardly she seems perfectly happy to go along with corrupt authority, except when it inconveniences her personally.

Aveline approves of killing the deranged son of an influential magistrate, even though the orders are to bring him in alive. She is willing to go against the law if she believes it is for the greater good. 

And what's this about being concerned with injustice? There is one companion who gains friendship points for selling Fenris into slavery. Any guesses who that companion is? 

Is.....is it Isabella?

Close. But it was actually Fenris. 

[wolfhowwl]

Whoever it is sure sounds like a disgusting scumbag.

[Hellion Rex]

@Br3ad,I thought it was Merrill?