Br3ad wrote...
In this instance, Anders is completely ignoring the fact that the Templars do have a valid reason to want to hold mages. He's ignoring the fact that mages can be very dangerous. He's ignoring that not everyone is in control of themselves or their powers. Every mage isn't harmless and thus the Templars are needed.
Nonsense. At no point does he ever deny or ignore the fact that mages are dangerous.
You brought up the KKK, and here I'm talking about Dragon Age. Which is what we are supposed to be talking about. The Templar Order is not the KKK, nor do they have similar ideology, so I don't know why you continue to bring it up.
How is this difficult to comprehend? Let me break it down:
You are trying to refute my statement about Anders possessing a social conscience. You're trying to tell me he doesn't have one, based on your personal idea of what having a social conscience means. You said it means "realizing the points of the other side", and that every side has "rights and wrongs".
I countered this by asserting that in certain debates, some positions are wholly antithetical to each other. I used the example of equal civil rights: a minority group is either deserving of equal civil rights or it is not. Therefore, there is no choice but to deem one side of the debate as being wholly "wrong"
It is now your turn now to bolster your argument, you can use any activist group you like that opposes civil rights for any minority group; you have to demonstrate that these groups have valid points, thus necessitating a need for the socially conscious to make an effort to understand them.
Because in order to determine whether or not Anders has a social conscince, you need to make it clearer what you think a social conscience in fact, is, because you seem to oppose the dictionary definition; which only requires an individual to care about perceived injustices in their society.
See above again.
Okay, you can keep saying this but it's not going to make your argument suddenly make sense. Whatever point you think you made earlier; it didn't work.
No one has addressed your moral stance.
I never said they did.
Again, this isn't about you, we are talking about Anders.
Well in addition to talking about ANders, I want to know why you insist on engaging me when I repeatedly ask you not to.
And while you continue to insult me or call my points gibberish, I have not once said a thing about you personally,
Okay, let me make one thing clear: when I say your poin ts are gibberish, I mean I have no idea what you are trying to say. They are literally illegible. There's no logical flow of ideas, and sometimes your sentence structure is so bad that it makes me think English isn't your first language.
I'm not trying to insult you (right now). I am trying to be helpful.
nor have I talked about your views as wrong.
What do you thinkthis whole debate is? If you don't think I'm wrong, why are you engaging me? It's certainly not to agree with all my fabulous arguments.
I don't even know you. Just as you don't know my stance on this issue, or which side I support. Mage or Templar.
You're right, I don't know your "true" stance. But your true stance is irrelevent, I'm responding to what you
post.
If anything, I more believe that you used the KKK in this instance in an attempt to make me feel some guilt, making me support the mage view or in an attempt to defame being pro-Templar, which is not even something that I am. If that was the intent, it was a waste of time. If it was not, then I overthinking it. Either way, the KKK really shouldn't be brought up here.
No, I used it because I am legitimately trying to understand your personal definition of the general concept of a social conscience. The debate can't move forward until this issue is resolved.
Also, you said that
every side of
every debate has some "right" arguments. I want to know what they are. I am genuinely curious.
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