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[Lebanese Dude]

Seboist wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

The ME3 approach being 'give straight male players nearly twice as many options as lesbian players, and more than six times as many options as gay male players or straight female players'?

Sounds like real life demographics. Kudos to BW for that.

Irrelevant to the point. Real-life proportions should have no bearing on the availability of romance options for either orientation in video games.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Ya'll are crazy for not appreciating "the prize" tbh.

[Hellion Rex]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Ya'll are crazy for not appreciating "the prize" tbh.

I thought it was kinda hot.
Or it might have been Jacob's abs...

[Lebanese Dude]

J. Reezy wrote...

Lebdood wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

The ME3 approach being 'give straight male players nearly twice as many options as lesbian players, and more than six times as many options as gay male players or straight female players'?

Sounds like real life demographics. Kudos to BW for that.

Irrelevant to the point. Real-life proportions should have no bearing on the availability of romance options for either orientation in video games.

Why?

Because your character can be straight or gay. A straight player won't necessarily play a gay character and vice versa.
Therefore demographics don't apply.

You're roleplaying, not being.

[Plaintiff]

Seboist wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

The ME3 approach being 'give straight male players nearly twice as many options as lesbian players, and more than six times as many options as gay male players or straight female players'?

Sounds like real life demographics. Kudos to BW for that.

Being a member of a minority group doesn't make one any less deserving of content tailored to their audience.

But I already know this post is wasted on you.

[Plaintiff]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

The ME3 approach being 'give straight male players nearly twice as many options as lesbian players, and more than six times as many options as gay male players or straight female players'?

Lesbian Shep had more viabal options than straight femshep actually.

Yes, that's what I said. Read it again.

The prevalence of lesbian options over gay male and straight female options just proves beyond any doubt that the romances in the ME series exist for the titllation of the straight male audience, not to provide any sort of in-depth characterisation, and certainly not for any sense of 'realism', despite what the ignorant may claim.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 02 décembre 2013 - 03:37 .

[Seboist]

Plaintiff wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

The ME3 approach being 'give straight male players nearly twice as many options as lesbian players, and more than six times as many options as gay male players or straight female players'?

Sounds like real life demographics. Kudos to BW for that.

Being a member of a minority group doesn't make one any less deserving of content tailored to their audience

Except that they are,BW makes a luxury item based on supply and demand and unless a company wants to go bankrupt, the majority always wins.

Man, you must really hate economics. It must suck to go through life for you.

[Lebanese Dude]

Seboist wrote...
Except that they are,BW makes a luxury item based on supply and demand and unless a company wants to go bankrupt, the majority always wins.

Again, irrelevant to the point.

The majority isn't complaining about the inclusion of LGBT options in the game, so I sincerely doubt they are going to go bankrupt for including options for the minorities

In fact, I'd go so far as to say a very small (yet vocal) minority is opposed to it.

Frankly, they should sit down and shutup.

Modifié par Lebdood, 02 décembre 2013 - 03:46 .

[Jorji Costava]

J. Reezy wrote...

Lebdood wrote...

Irrelevant to the point. Real-life proportions should have no bearing on the availability of romance options for either orientation in video games.

Why?

I'll take a stab at this, although it's sure to end badly. The reason is probably the same as the reason why you shouldn't give twice as much content to paragons as to renegades, although two thirds of ME players played as mostly paragons.

EDIT: Fixed quote

Modifié par osbornep, 02 décembre 2013 - 03:46 .

[Lebanese Dude]

J. Reezy wrote...
But I want my Jacob hair options in vidya gaems! I mean come on! How hard is it to offer short hair with a dope edge up!? A lot of video games have shunned the urban youth! I demand compensation for this wrongdoing!

I always wanted default shepard's and kaidan's hair styles on my custom characters. 

Modifié par Lebdood, 02 décembre 2013 - 03:50 .

[Plaintiff]

Seboist wrote...
Except that they are,BW makes a luxury item based on supply and demand and unless a company wants to go bankrupt, the majority always wins.

Man, you must really hate economics. It must suck to go through life for you.

Economics has nothing to do with what it means to 'deserve' something. That's why my posts are wasted on you, you don't actually understand the argument at all. Not every design decision is based on economics anyway. Bioware, at least the team that works on Dragon Age, has stated that they make their games as inclusive as possible because it is the right thing to do. Economic viability doesn't factor into the equation.

Not to mention, you don't actually understand how economics works.

Unless you're claiming that all heterosexual gamers are bigots that actively campaign for Bioware to strip all 'gay' presence from the games, then there's no economic incentive whatsoever for them to give homosexual audiences any less content than the heterosexual audience gets. Adding homosexual content only serves to broaden the game's appeal, except for the bigot audience, which, according to public statements made at various gaming conventions, they have no interest in appealing to. And if the heteosexual audience are not bigots, then there's no reason for them to oppose the inclusion anyway.

Is the heterosexual audience all bigots? Are you claiming that?

Modifié par Plaintiff, 02 décembre 2013 - 03:51 .

[Lebanese Dude]

Plaintiff wrote...
Economics has nothing to do with what it means to 'deserve' something. That's why my posts are wasted on you, you don't actually understand the argument at all. Not every design decision is based on economics anyway. Bioware, at least the team that works on Dragon Age, has stated that they make their games as inclusive as possible because it is the right thing to do. Economic viability doesn't factor into the equation.

Not to mention, you don't actually understand how economics works.

Unless you're claiming that all heterosexual gamers are bigots that actively campaign for Bioware to strip all 'gay' presence from the games, then there's no economic incentive whatsoever for them to give homosexual audiences any less content than the heterosexual audience gets. Adding homosexual content only serves to broaden the game's appeal, except for the bigot audience, which they have no interest in appealing to. If the heteosexual audience aren't bigots, then there's no reason for them to oppose the inclusion

Is the heterosexual audience all bigots? Are you claiming that?

Clock him. I'll never understand why people think BioWare is shooting itself in the foot for being more progressive.

Modifié par Lebdood, 02 décembre 2013 - 03:53 .

[spirosz]

osbornep wrote...
I'll take a stab at this, although it's sure to end badly. The reason is probably the same as the reason why you shouldn't give twice as much content to paragons as to renegades, although two thirds of ME players played as mostly paragons.

EDIT: Fixed quote

Well, romances tend to be more personal compared to Paragon or Renegade "choices" or content.   I rarely saw threads complaining about that.  

[GreyLycanTrope]

Plaintiff wrote...
Yes, that's what I said. Read it again.

The prevalence of lesbian options over gay male and straight female options just proves beyond any doubt that the romances in the ME series exist for the titllation of the straight male audience, not to provide any sort of in-depth characterisation, and certainly not for any sense of 'realism', despite what the ignorant may claim.

So if we'd match up the numbers for each orientation we'd be good right? I mean that wouldn't make the romances any more in-depth than they are, but if we're just trying to get equal titillation for everyone I have no major objections so long as not everyone is protag sexual.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 02 décembre 2013 - 03:55 .

[spirosz]

Plaintiff wrote...

Economic viability doesn't factor into the equation.

I get the feeling that their PR speak has got you fooled more than you realize.  

[Lebanese Dude]

Morocco Mole wrote...

take a shot every time you read the word bigot in this thread

As long as we do it every time we read the word "catering". 

[ScarMK]

Morocco Mole wrote...

take a shot every time you read the word bigot in this thread

If we're underage, can we take a hot chocolate?

[Hellion Rex]

Morocco Mole wrote...

take a shot every time you read the word bigot in this thread

Death by alcohol poisoning?

[Hellion Rex]

ScarMK wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

take a shot every time you read the word bigot in this thread

If we're underage, can we take a hot chocolate?

Oh, we won't tell anyone.

[Lebanese Dude]

ScarMK wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

take a shot every time you read the word bigot in this thread

If we're underage, can we take a hot chocolate?

Thanks to you two, now I have an urge for white chocolate shots.

[Hellion Rex]

Lebdood wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

take a shot every time you read the word bigot in this thread

If we're underage, can we take a hot chocolate?

Thanks to you two, now I have an urge for white chocolate shots.

Curse you. Now I have the urge...