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[Erez Kristal]

Games with stats. levels and a fake sense of progression are so early 90...

contemporary rpgs are all about the Role playing part. which means acting in characers not using some fake statistic charts that make no sense in order for you feel more powerful.

All rpgs that support the levelup system has ballance issues. they are hard and first and super easy at the ending.
And more important they make no sense. which means they break immersion.

[TheProtheans]

I was going to respond to the post above, but because you bash almost every game out there.
Not sure I need to.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 01 juillet 2013 - 09:47 .

[remydat]

AlanC9 wrote...

My main problem with this analysis is that there's an implicit assumption that independent Bioware thought of itself as a maker of niche RPG product, rather than the mass-appeal cinematic stuff they do now. My impression is that Bio has always been headed in the interactive movie direction; they went cinematic as far and as fast as their technology would take them. And the D&D and Star Wars licenses are as mass-market as you get in those genres.

Exactly.  Bioware was niche because it was a start-up.  So it was not just the tech that held them back but the CAPITAL ie money.  If they were interested in remaining a niche RPG product they never would have accepted Elevation Partners or EA money.  They allowed themselves to be bought out because they wanted to do bigger projects and so they needed money in order to do those projects.

That is how business works.  You start off small and for most people, your goal is to develop a product that eventually attracts the big money.

[SpamBot2000]

Whether BW wanted to chase the "cinematic" buck or not, it's pretty likely that they sold out to Elevation Partners, instead of the likes of EA who were after them at the time, because there was an understanding of a "hands-off" policy of creative independence. Then of course John Riccitiello hopped back on the EA train, pocketing a nice $400 million for delivering BW to EA in the process. BW were the victims at that point, but looks like Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk developed a mighty Stockholm Syndrome for their "dear friend and mentor", Mr. Riccitiello, soon enough.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 02 juillet 2013 - 10:03 .

[crimzontearz]

erezike wrote...

Games with stats. levels and a fake sense of progression are so early 90...

contemporary rpgs are all about the Role playing part. which means acting in characers not using some fake statistic charts that make no sense in order for you feel more powerful.

All rpgs that support the levelup system has ballance issues. they are hard and first and super easy at the ending.
And more important they make no sense. which means they break immersion.

right, that's like....your opinion man

I would rather have that than no progression at all UNLESS the game lacks NG+....in which case I am fine with no progression

[remydat]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Whether BW wanted to chase the "cinematic" buck or not, it's pretty likely that they sold out to Elevation Partners, instead of the likes of EA who were after them at the time, because there was an understanding of a "hands-off" policy of creative independence. Then of course John Riccitiello hopped back on the EA train, pocketing a nice $400 million for delivering BW to EA in the process. BW were the victims at that point, but looks like Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk developed a mighty Stockholm Syndrome for their "dear friend and mentor", Mr. Riccitiello, soon enough.

You are being too kind to Bioware.  In  this day and age it is easy to retain contractual control of your business by simply offerring a non-voting interest in a company or offerring voting interest that is less than 50% while you retain greater than 50% voting interest.  Of course, to do so you likely have to accept less money.

Microsoft is a public company but Bill Gates still retains control.  Why?  Because he ensured that when Microsoft went public he retained a large share of the voting stock.  So if Bioware really gave up creative control, it is because they choose to not because they were somehow tricked into doing so.  This is basic business knowledge.

Modifié par remydat, 02 juillet 2013 - 05:03 .

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

If RPG's were so great,why didn't an RPG win best game of E3?
Titanfall was the best of E3
TES online was the best RPG

[crimzontearz]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

If RPG's were so great,why didn't an RPG win best game of E3?
Titanfall was the best of E3
TES online was the best RPG

all those awards won at E3

now stfu

Modifié par crimzontearz, 02 juillet 2013 - 10:18 .

[AlanC9]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Whether BW wanted to chase the "cinematic" buck or not, it's pretty likely that they sold out to Elevation Partners, instead of the likes of EA who were after them at the time, because there was an understanding of a "hands-off" policy of creative independence. Then of course John Riccitiello hopped back on the EA train, pocketing a nice $400 million for delivering BW to EA in the process. BW were the victims at that point, but looks like Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk developed a mighty Stockholm Syndrome for their "dear friend and mentor", Mr. Riccitiello, soon enough.

Bio wasn't completely creatively independent  before EA, what with WotC and LA vetoing stuff since they owned the IPs.

Are they less independent now? If you want to blame EA for stuff Bio games do that you don't like, I guess believing this can make you feel a bit better about them.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

crimzontearz wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

If RPG's were so great,why didn't an RPG win best game of E3?
Titanfall was the best of E3
TES online was the best RPG

all those awards won at E3

now stfu

haha denial,the witcher sells less than 1 million,most people forget its existence

[ShepnTali]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

If RPG's were so great,why didn't an RPG win best game of E3?
Titanfall was the best of E3
TES online was the best RPG

all those awards won at E3

now stfu

haha denial,the witcher sells less than 1 million,most people forget its existence

What's your point? RPGs are a genre many people like. What do sales numbers have to do with anything?

[crimzontearz]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

If RPG's were so great,why didn't an RPG win best game of E3?
Titanfall was the best of E3
TES online was the best RPG

all those awards won at E3

now stfu

haha denial,the witcher sells less than 1 million,most people forget its existence

and yet TW3 won more awardin total


nice try

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

ShepnTali wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

If RPG's were so great,why didn't an RPG win best game of E3?
Titanfall was the best of E3
TES online was the best RPG

all those awards won at E3

now stfu

haha denial,the witcher sells less than 1 million,most people forget its existence

What's your point? RPGs are a genre many people like. What do sales numbers have to do with anything?

many people like?These sales are very low to even justify it's existence

[Nole]

How many awards has ME3 won? And on this forum it is treated as the worst garbage.

[SSPBOURNE]

Guys, I just want Mass Effect Kart Racing. Is that too much to ask for?

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

SSPBOURNE wrote...

Guys, I just want Mass Effect Kart Racing. Is that too much to ask for?

not it's not.I also want one.Biotic cars lol.Also wants Unkarted

[ShepnTali]

The Witcher series has hit 5 million yo.

[SSPBOURNE]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

SSPBOURNE wrote...

Guys, I just want Mass Effect Kart Racing. Is that too much to ask for?

not it's not.I also want one.Biotic cars lol.Also wants Unkarted

Yeah, and then that can be followed up with Xtreme Krogan Sports and Turian Party.

[Nole]

The witcher series has not even surpassed the 2 millions.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

ShepnTali wrote...

The Witcher series has hit 5 million yo.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par IntelligentME3Fanboy, 02 juillet 2013 - 10:50 .

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

SSPBOURNE wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

SSPBOURNE wrote...

Guys, I just want Mass Effect Kart Racing. Is that too much to ask for?

not it's not.I also want one.Biotic cars lol.Also wants Unkarted

Yeah, and then that can be followed up with Xtreme Krogan Sports and Turian Party.

and a kinect dancing game like the star wars one..YES!

[Sir DeLoria]

Sales have little to do with the quality of a game. Look at the CoD series. Modern Warfare 2 was great, it was also the last good CoD. Every CoD game since had just the same old engine, the same terrible graphics, the same monotonous gameplay and the same amount of effort put into it(o,oo). Still the games managed to sell millions upon millions of copies.

[ShepnTali]

Necanor wrote...

Sales have little to do with the quality of a game. Look at the CoD series. Modern Warfare 2 was great, it was also the last good CoD. Every CoD game since had just the same old engine, the same terrible graphics, the same monotonous gameplay and the same amount of effort put into it(o,oo). Still the games managed to sell millions upon millions of copies.

Precisely. And for people talking out their rears...


http://www.gamespot....million-6403502

And Witcher 2 was considered a critical success at 1.2 million back in May 2012.

Modifié par ShepnTali, 02 juillet 2013 - 10:59 .

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Necanor wrote...

Sales have little to do with the quality of a game. Look at the CoD series. Modern Warfare 2 was great, it was also the last good CoD. Every CoD game since had just the same old engine, the same terrible graphics, the same monotonous gameplay and the same amount of effort put into it(o,oo). Still the games managed to sell millions upon millions of copies.

CoD sells more than it deserves,but to say that the witcher is better is stupid.I bought the first witcher on steam sale,played it 30 minutes and haven't touched it since.The gameplay is simply awful.Not to mention the protagonist is just an old man who tries to ba** every female

[SSPBOURNE]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

SSPBOURNE wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

SSPBOURNE wrote...

Guys, I just want Mass Effect Kart Racing. Is that too much to ask for?

not it's not.I also want one.Biotic cars lol.Also wants Unkarted

Yeah, and then that can be followed up with Xtreme Krogan Sports and Turian Party.

and a kinect dancing game like the star wars one..YES!

I can see it now:
Garrus Vakarian dancing to 'Calibration Time'