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[N7Gold]

This idea suddenly popped into my head when I was driving to work last night. Okay, we all know that the Crucible wasn't specifically built by the Proteans, but by unknown races from all cycles the Reapers have already harvested, right? Would it creep you out if I said that's true, but not in the manner we assumed?

The Reapers harvest everything they need to know about organics to be born as a new Reaper. Each Reaper holds extensive knowledge about the moral beliefs and style of technology from the civilizations they harvest every 50,000 years? My point is the technology that the Reapers have made, the mass relays, Citadel, everything, the knowledge is stolen. The Reapers pooled the technological advancements from every race they harvested in order to create a brand new type of technology that is completely "user friendly", even to new generations of organic life like humans, asari, turians, salarians, quarians and such. And also they gained full emotional understanding of all organic life.

Remember, humans are emotionally no different from other races, even Kaidan in ME1 pointed that out saying that after his experience with the turian Vyrnus during his BaAT training, he realized that aliens are not different or special, they can be jerks and saints just like humans. The Reapers used their emotional understanding of organic life to use their emotions against them during the harvest. For example, I brought Javik with Liara and Shepard on Thessia and in one part he said that the Reapers indoctrinated Prothean children and turned them against Prothean soldiers believing that they wouldn't have the guts to harm indoctrinated children. When Liara asked Javik did he and his allies hesitate, Javik replies hinting that he and his fellow soldiers didn't hesitate, much to Liara's disdain. This is no coincidence. The Reapers try to use our compassion against us.

The Reapers employ everything they know about organics against Shepard and the others during ME3. That's most likely why the Catalyst took on the form of a child at the end of the game, the Reapers know that kids have the potential to sway our intentions, even on a subconsious level. He took on the form of a child to manipulate Shepard into believing that there are no strings attatched to his goals or the solutions he will present to Shepard. Since he can't indoctrinate Shepard and force him/her to assume control of the Reapers or force him/her to make the galaxy reach Synthesis, he has no choice but to rely on Shepard's judgement. Paragon players understandably would view destroying the Reapers as a selfish choice, and Control and Synthesis as the selfless choices since they don't require Shepard to sacrifice any of his/her allies for peace, but don't you think that the Reapers are expecting this from you? Don't you think they're using your compassion against you once more so they can reach or get one step closer to fulfilling the request of the Leviathans? I mean, they and their indoctrinated servants opposed the idea of killing them for peace but tried to convince Shepard that peace with Reapers or dominating them are better solutions to the war. Their goal was never to harvest all life, but to preserve it for the Leviathans.

The whole war in ME3 was just a test to compel humans and other races to fight for their survival at any cost, even to the point of finding and completing the Crucible, which is exactly what the Reapers wanted to happen, which explains why they never stopped it even though the Catalyst claims they became aware of its existence several cycles ago, but never interfered with it, believing its concept had eradicated. Great lie, Catalyst. Great lie, indeed. Previous cycles unwillingly took part in the Reapers' test, but they all failed, and as a result, they were harvested, and the Reapers gained  new Reaper allies, each who have extensive knowledge on the civilization that has been harvested, expanding the Catalyst's "intelligence" on the nature of organic life in order to manipulate them in the most subtle way possible into choosing the ideal solution. The only way to defeat such an intelligent enemy is making a decision most paragon natured people would be afraid of choosing. For example, using the Crucible to destroy the Reapers even though it does kill off the Geth and other synthetic life as well.

[AlanC9]

Pooling technological advancements? The Reapers exterminate races before they get to the Reapers' technological level. What are they going to learn?

Modifié par AlanC9, 29 juin 2013 - 07:06 .

[rapscallioness]

Interesting ideas, OP. The part Alan pointed out is a lil..fuzzy. Unless...maybe they used knowledge from new races to update/upgrade...adapt the tech?

edit: Ah, to gain more insight to the nature of organics in order to better manipulate them. Yes. I like that.

The rest I think is pretty intriguing. The Reapers/Leviathan do like to play mind games on us and our emotional baggage.

I don't think that's what the writers had in mind, but...I still think you make some interesting points.

So, Leviathan did indeed want to preserve organic life...to be their slaves. Soooo, w/ Synth we're melded w/the Reapers.....huh. But the Reapers first wiped out--almost--the Leviathans. But yet the Leviathans still insisted everything was as it should be.

Were the Leviathans just waiting to get a foothold back in the galactic power structure? Where thru the Reapers they could dominate once again?

Ah, there some good ideas here, but like I said I don't think the writers were actually....thinking this deeply abt it. A shame really.

[MegaSovereign]

Developing the Crucible to make the harvest easier is pretty counter-productive if the device actually does work...

[Nole]

Disturbing revelation: The ending was good.

[TheProtheans]

WittingEight65 wrote...

Disturbing revelation: The ending was good.

Disturbing revelation: Your opinion sucks

[OdanUrr]

@OP: You don't read the forums much, do you?

[Nole]

TheProtheans wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

Disturbing revelation: The ending was good.

Disturbing revelation: Your opinion sucks

Modifié par WittingEight65, 29 juin 2013 - 10:35 .

[StarcloudSWG]

N7Gold wrote...

This idea suddenly popped into my head when I was driving to work last night. Okay, we all know that the Crucible wasn't specifically built by the Proteans, but by unknown races from all cycles the Reapers have already harvested, right? Would it creep you out if I said that's true, but not in the manner we assumed?

The Reapers harvest everything they need to know about organics to be born as a new Reaper. Each Reaper holds extensive knowledge about the moral beliefs and style of technology from the civilizations they harvest every 50,000 years? My point is the technology that the Reapers have made, the mass relays, Citadel, everything, the knowledge is stolen. The Reapers pooled the technological advancements from every race they harvested in order to create a brand new type of technology that is completely "user friendly", even to new generations of organic life like humans, asari, turians, salarians, quarians and such. And also they gained full emotional understanding of all organic life.
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The Reapers try to use our compassion against us.
The Reapers employ everything they know about organics against Shepard and the others during ME3.
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Previous cycles unwillingly took part in the Reapers' test, but they all failed, and as a result, they were harvested, and the Reapers gained  new Reaper allies, each who have extensive knowledge on the civilization that has been harvested, expanding the Catalyst's "intelligence" on the nature of organic life in order to manipulate them in the most subtle way possible into choosing the ideal solution. The only way to defeat such an intelligent enemy is making a decision most paragon natured people would be afraid of choosing. For example, using the Crucible to destroy the Reapers even though it does kill off the Geth and other synthetic life as well.

You mean it wasn't obvious?

Of course they did that. Of course Synthesis is a lie of an ending; the Reapers already understand organic life, despite being a synthetic race.

Of course the Catalyst's goal is to harvest life and preserve it for the Leviathans. Starting with the Leviathans themselves.

Of course the Catalyst conceals, misdirects, and fails to provide full explanations. It doesn't want to be permanently shut down.

The only true solution is to destroy the Reapers and the Catalyst.

[WhiteKnyght]

The Catalyst said they've tried to eliminate the Crucible plans but Organics were more resourceful than they anticipated.

That's not flattery, it's fact. Look at Ilos, the Protheans managed to keep its existence hidden from the Reapers during their cycle despite it being built on the ruins of an Inusannon world(a world belonging to the civilization who ruled in the cycle before theirs and were wiped out.)

And the protheans were also able to hide the archives on Mars and Thessia, as well as the beacon on Eden Prime.

Despite the best efforts of the Reapers, organics are very good at passing on their knowledge.

[crimzontearz]

disturbing revelation....you are reading too much into it

Mac tried to pull a Nolan, possibly in the attempt to torch the franchise and run


it failed


Someone at EA is likely still laughing at his attempt

Modifié par crimzontearz, 29 juin 2013 - 11:13 .

[blueumi]

WittingEight65 wrote...

Disturbing revelation: The ending was good.

that will never be true no matter how much you tell yourself that it is

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

The Reapers created the Mass Relays and Citadel before the cycles.

[Asharad Hett]

N7Gold wrote...

Paragon players understandably would view destroying the Reapers as a selfish choice

I disagree.  It's only selfish if you metagame.  But as a new player, I was presented only with Control and Destroy.  While the catalyst was presenting my options, he showed me Anderson sacrificing himself in destroy.  In control, it shows TIM taking control.     It seemed to me that Control was the selfish, renegade act.   I wasn't aware of Synthesis at the time, nor was I aware that Shep could survive in Destroy.

Modifié par Asharad Hett, 30 juin 2013 - 02:16 .

[BioWareAre****s]

OP...I think you're giving the Catalyst more emotional responses than it actually has. It has NO emotions, it is a machine of pure logic. As good as your idea is, it's a pretty big stretch of knowledge, and one that I can't see the Catalyst taking. and why would it need to test organics? It's role is to protect us, not observe us. Yes, I know it has a weird way of protecting life, but like I said, it works on pure logic, it doesn't give two ***** about emotions and morals.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The Catalyst appears as a child to make us want to be sympathetic toward It. It didn't work. There are people who think that the reaper huggers. Then there are those of us who just want to blow up the bastards at any cost.

Londo's finest moment:

[OdanUrr]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The Catalyst appears as a child to make us want to be sympathetic toward It.

Do not mistake the writers' intentions for the Catalyst's.

[GreyLycanTrope]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The Catalyst appears as a child to make us want to be sympathetic toward It. It didn't work.

I remember quite a few vids of people just unloading their infinite ammo into the glowing bastard.

[crimzontearz]

Greylycantrope wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The Catalyst appears as a child to make us want to be sympathetic toward It. It didn't work.

I remember quite a few vids of people just unloading their infinite ammo into the glowing bastard.

which then became a trigger for the refuse ending.......telling uh?

[crimzontearz]

StreetMagic wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

disturbing revelation....you are reading too much into it

Mac tried to pull a Nolan, possibly in the attempt to torch the franchise and run


it failed


Someone at EA is likely still laughing at his attempt

So I'm not alone in thinking this. Good.

you are not, it fits every facet of the trope

[NeonFlux117]

Disturbing Revelation: Many consider Drake to be a great rapper........ I am not one of them.

[Nanox Vox]

Ah, N7Gold! How wonderful to see you on the forums once again! We could not live without another of your disturbingly over-thought, yet mind-numbingly predictable rants about how the ending is a lie, the Catalyst is evil, the Crucible is a trap, and Destroy is the only choice that leads to victory because "REASONS!" for a second longer.

[NeonFlux117]

Nanox Vox wrote...

Ah, N7Gold! How wonderful to see you on the forums once again! We could not live without another of your disturbingly over-thought, yet mind-numbingly predictable rants about how the ending is a lie, the Catalyst is evil, the Crucible is a trap, and Destroy is the only choice that leads to victory because "REASONS!" for a second longer.

Vox, there's only room for one Legion in this thread. I challenge you to a duel good sir. To the victor goes the spoils; digital muffins and chocolate milk. 

[Nanox Vox]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Nanox Vox wrote...

Ah, N7Gold! How wonderful to see you on the forums once again! We could not live without another of your disturbingly over-thought, yet mind-numbingly predictable rants about how the ending is a lie, the Catalyst is evil, the Crucible is a trap, and Destroy is the only choice that leads to victory because "REASONS!" for a second longer.

Vox, there's only room for one Legion in this thread. I challenge you to a duel good sir. To the victor goes the spoils; digital muffins and chocolate milk. 

But this unit worked hard to aquire its current platform.  It is a genuine reproduction of the platform of the Geth Savior referred to as Legon.  This unit was forced to pay a sum of 20,000 credits for the construction and delivery of the platform. 

This unit is also lacking in the organic emotion known as shame.