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[WillieStyle]

 Or am I just bad at this game?  First, of all, I'm talking primarily about using sniper rifles with the Infiltrator class on Insanity.  Within one Tactical Cloack window (once you account for quick-scope and target aquisition time) I can only land 2 headshots with the Black Widow.  I can typically land those same two headshots with the Widow and do a lot more damage.  Granted, on a lot of enemies, that extra damage is wasted.  But the only time I ever find myself actually landing more shots per second with the Black Widow than the Widow is when I'm training body shots into a single large enemy (basically just Brutes and Atlases).  And of course, with the Valiant, I'm even less likely to land 6 headshots on target in 2.5 seconds.  

Now, perhaps I just need to practice sniping more and it is infact feasible to land 3 headshots in 2.5 seconds with the Black Widow.  But if not, I tink I'll stick with the Widow.  I wish I could bring myself to use the Javelin, but I absolutely HATE the fire lag on that weapon.  

[RedCaesar97]

I would say the Black Widow itself is overrated on the Infiltrator; but then again, I have never used the Black Widow for any real good length of time on the Infiltrator. I do not have the Valiant so I cannot comment on it.

Like you said, the Black Widow is best against large super elite enemies with a lot of armor and possibly shields as well, where the extra damage and shot come in handy. For everything else, a good Energy Drain or even Sabotage plus a single-shot sniper -- even/especially the Mantis -- will do the trick just fine.

I suppose Marksman could help with the Black Widow since it will increase your fire rate.

[Athenau]

 You don't need headshots with the BW though.  Body shots will do just as well.

[WillieStyle]

Actually, I'm wrong for two reasons:
1) As Athenau said, I don't need headshots to one-shot most enemies,
2) The Widow actually has a longer reload duration than the Claymore; so that second shot is almost certainly not getting the Tactical Cloak buff.

[Athenau]

You can squeeze a second shot in the cloak window with the Widow if you reload cancel. But that doesn't leave you much time to aim.

TBH, I don't see much value in the single shot snipers (Javelin aside) because of shield gate. And if you're using marksman you can always cheese and turn the Claymore into a sniper rifle.

[BigBad]

Eh, I'd rank BW and similiar rifles below single-shot rifles like the Widow or Javelin. If you're using Tactical Cloak for every shot, you've got a 3 second cooldown between each shot, so you might as well use it for reloading. The only sniper rifles I've been able to reliably get more than one shot off under Cloak are the Incisor and the Indra. Incisor kinda sucks, but the Indra is an awesome weapon, and is light enough to let you pack a Claymore for when you really need to put something down in one shot.

[Athenau]

^^Tactical cloak lasts for more than one shot. The damage bonus lasts for 2.5 seconds.

[BigBad]

Yeah, but I'm not good enough to recover from the BW recoil, find another target while scoped, and line up a headshot all in 2.5 seconds, even with the concentration mod. It's a matter of player skill, I guess.

[WillieStyle]

Release right mouse button then re-scope.

[capn233]

Snipers in general aren't rated all that high in SP anyway, but to the point...

The Black Widow is the best sniper rifle in SP and is significantly better than the Widow for a couple reasons. For one, it was buffed to hell and Infiltrator does stupid damage with it as well as having great ammo power damage (Rank 6 Tac Cloak and Rank 6 passive "SR Damage" evolutions both modify base weapon damage and in turn increase ammo damage). And shield gate is still 100% with stifles the single shots unless you can squeeze out every last drop of ammo damage. Also importantly it is available around the time of SurKesh (meaning that is about when you can afford it), unlike the Widow which you pick up on Thessia.

The Valiant is also very good, but I do not think it is as good on an Infiltrator as the Black Widow for a variety of reasons (not as ammo efficient, more demanding for aim to single shot units, no real increase in kill speed despite paper DPS differences...). That was also my view before Black Widow got the MP buffs, and it is even more true now, IMO. It is probably about as good on Soldier, and perhaps better on casters than BW just because of encumbrance.

Viper is only good for getting headshots and applying ammo effects, which is why I think it works ok on Soldier, and is mediocre on anyone else. You could tech burst away with it on Infiltrator, and get get the most mileage out of it with a Marksman / Cloak build, but then you have to ask yourself "why?" I actually also used it a fair amount on an Engineer where it was ok. The low ROF is somewhat countered by casting powers in between. But this was perhaps my most hated weapon change from ME2, even more than the change to my beloved Revenant.

Raptor is a crap gun with no real role other than to sort of steal the role of the ME2 Viper, do it worse, and force the Viper to change to a different gun that also sucks.

There is the Krysae, but I have never used it in SP, nor do I intend to. I think it is some in between nerfed version.

[billpickles]

^ Concur on all points.

Some folks seem to like the Raptor in SP, but I don't count myself among them. I'd rather use the Mattock if I wanted to give myself a finger cramp. I don't need zoom for headshots in most cases.

And as noted in another thread...I like the Indra more than capn

Modifié par billpickles, 30 juin 2013 - 04:01 .

[Wulfram]

I think the Viper is pretty awesome on Infiltrator for SP. Load up enough sniper slowdown to get you easy headshots, and take out every non-boss in one or two shots. With low weight, and good rate of fire considering the damage you're doing.

[JaegerBane]

 I would echo capn's point, and also add that the black widow is the most balanced sniper rifle in me3 - you're getting a lot of the advantages of semi-auto (room for error, high dps, greater practicality) and single shot (body shot effectiveness, native penetration) in a single weapon that you can load up on around sur'kesh.

Plus, it looks awesome.

[OniGanon]

SP has full Shield Gate and no Phasic Ammo... Any SR more powerful than a Valiant is therefore pretty much wasted...

And that's without Tactical Cloak.

With TC, anything more powerful than a Viper is wasted.

Modifié par OniGanon, 05 juillet 2013 - 07:09 .