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[AutumnWitch]

Hello,

I hope that some of you Bioware developers read this and please take some of it into account.

A few of my (female) friends and myself would like to ask to please let the female protagonist dress/act a bit more feminine if she wants it.

What we mean is, in DA2 it was clear that all mage robes and armour for the woman Hawke were just the male version fitted on a woman's form. This was very frustrating as every other woman in the game had a wee bit of
sex appeal, even Aveline has a wee bit of cleavage at some point. All of the other women in the game tended to be pretty and had feminine clothes/robes/armour/features. Heck, even her own sister had a very pretty set of
robes. Please don't think we are asking to run around jiggling in bikinis but making us the "feminised" Hawke/Protagonist is nearly just as bad. I can't tell you how disappointed we were when we played the Mark of the Assaion DLC and we got to go to Orlais (the fashion Capital of Thedas) and what do we get to wear at a fancy social event? A set of purple trousers? Really? Come on, you can do better than that. Just because we are heroes and leaders doesn't mean we check our womanhood at the door.

If you are going to let the protagonist be female than let us have the choice to at least dress like one. Again, PLEASE, do not interpret this as us wanting to run around in "barely there" robes/armour but rather give us the same
choices the NPC or Companions have at least. Also, if you consider that there are times when the female protagonist might want to talk her way into something or flirt with a guard to sneak in somewhere or something like
that, giving us a little more to work with physically would help the allusion.

And please if you are going to let us have a choice to what we look like (face/hair/eyes/ and all of that) give us the option to have long hair! Most women in DA2 had long hair (Aveline withstanding) and we don't get that
choice? Also, why no blonde hair? (yes I know there was kind of a washed out blonde but compared to say Meredith’s or Lady Elegant’s is was horrible).

I guess what we want is, that if you are going to allow us to play a female protagonist then let us be female and not just a watered down version of the male protagonist?

Thanks for listening!

[garrusfan1]

I like this idea but only if it is an option and not forced

[Kalyppso]

Without having played MotA once, I got a mod to wear Anora's dress to the party. c:
I completely understand where you're coming from.

Sometimes a girl just wants to have pretty feet.

At the same time, I'd rather resources be assigned to fixing the DA2 hands than the lack of models for female apparel. (Though in some cases, like the dress, it would be the same number of models ... just needed a variation.)

[Plaintiff]

Can you post or list some more examples of what you would deem "feminine" clothing?

[Adela]

all i can say is that i TOTALLY agree with what u just said AutumnWitch

[Adela]

Modifié par ag99, 01 juillet 2013 - 01:55 .

[Krypplingz]

The female circle (the fuzzy one) and neophyte robes were pretty feminine and very pretty. But having some more girly armor among the "manlier" armor would be nice. - So support for that

The lack of Orlesian finery for Hawke in Mark of the assassin was awful, for both genders. So many pretty leathers and my rogue gets none?!
(And being able to pick between a dress/robe or pants would have been nice for both genders.) -So support there

And more hair is always good. I would approve of longer hair for both genders (because men can also be worth it ). (I think all the pretty lady npcs had shoulder length hair, except for Flemmeth who had time to really grow it )
And for color, why stop at blonde? Where is purple? -Support all around.

[FINE HERE]

I agree. I want to be able to play a more feminine character. Pretty clothes, pretty hair. The works.

[Thiefy]

Long hair, yes. Pretty dresses? Pass.

[FINE HERE]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I am just going to say that Dragon Age is not a dressup game.

No, but it is a role playing game, so why can't we role play feminine characters that like to dress up for every day, special occasions, and/or battle?

[Kalyppso]

This went farther than I thought it would...

I can respect no purple hair or male dresses for Orlesian social parties (private parties may be different, I suppose).

I was happy leaving anything riské to Isabela.

[Killdren88]

The option would be nice. But yeah make it optional if my Feminquis wants to wear pants then pants it shall be. Same goes for the desire to wear a dress.

[Plaintiff]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I am just going to say that Dragon Age is not a dressup game.

And yet it has a very prominent 'dress-up' aspect, like many Western RPGs.

If you don't care about a feature, good news! You don't have to talk about it.

[MisanthropePrime]

How feminine can you be when you're still wrist deep in your enemy's guts? Whether you like it or not, the actions of your typical RPG protagonist are stereotypically "masculine". Refer to Sten's question as to whether or not the female Warden is actually female.

[Adela]

i would also like an armor like this (like the "mage chick")

[Plaintiff]

MisanthropePrime wrote...
How feminine can you be when you're still wrist deep in your enemy's guts?

As feminine as you want.

Whether you like it or not, the actions of your typical RPG protagonist are stereotypically "masculine".

Emphasis on stereotypically. 

Refer to Sten's question as to whether or not the female Warden is actually female.

And why do we care what Sten thinks? His culture has extremely rigid ideas about gender roles that virtually nobody else in Thedas subscribes to.

[MisanthropePrime]

Emphasis on stereotypically.

The qualities of femininity and masculinity are stereotypical. You cannot divorce the term from stereotypes and connotations.

[garrusfan1]

ag99 wrote...

i would also like an armor like this (like the "mage chick")

you mean the one with the mace? if so then yeah that looks cool

[Kalyppso]

Morocco Mole wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...

How feminine can you be when you're still wrist deep in your enemy's guts? Whether you like it or not, the actions of your typical RPG protagonist are stereotypically "masculine". Refer to Sten's question as to whether or not the female Warden is actually female.

Also true.

I think the actions you chose to describe are barbaric, rather than masculine. A healer mage or either gender might never kill anyone outside a cutscene: and yes, that wouldn't flow with the story as presented by the dialogue, but it might well be how someone enjoys roleplaying their RPG. If the male protagonist can clean up and play nice with the Nobles, so can the female protagonist.

Also, it isn't the hero's barbarous qualities (which I don't doubt that they engender) which make them a leader to their group. Sten is not inspired to stay with the Warden because of their combat ability, but rather their perseverence in a just cause (to end the Blight (whether that is pursued through just means...)). Isabela doesn't return Koslun's (sp?) writings because she is either emboldened or intimidated by Hawke's skill in battle ... but I actually have no idea why she returns (I cannot fathom it is only "because she likes you.").

[MisanthropePrime]

Mademon wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...

How feminine can you be when you're still wrist deep in your enemy's guts? Whether you like it or not, the actions of your typical RPG protagonist are stereotypically "masculine". Refer to Sten's question as to whether or not the female Warden is actually female.

Also true.

I think the actions you chose to describe are barbaric, rather than masculine. A healer mage or either gender might never kill anyone outside a cutscene: and yes, that wouldn't flow with the story as presented by the dialogue, but it might well be how someone enjoys roleplaying their RPG. If the male protagonist can clean up and play nice with the Nobles, so can the female protagonist.

Also, it isn't the hero's barbarous qualities (which I don't doubt that they engender) which make them a leader to their group. Sten is not inspired to stay with the Warden because of their combat ability, but rather their perseverence in a just cause (to end the Blight (whether that is pursued through just means...)). Isabela doesn't return Koslun's (sp?) writings because she is either emboldened or intimidated by Hawke's skill in battle ... but I actually have no idea why she returns (I cannot fathom it is only "because she likes you.").

Barbarism is such a loaded term, but it usually also connotes masculinity: when I say "Barbarian" does the image of a large, muscular, bare-chested man with long hair, a beard and hefting large, phallic weapons not come up?

[Plaintiff]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

Emphasis on stereotypically.

The qualities of femininity and masculinity are stereotypical. You cannot divorce the term from stereotypes and connotations.

You certainly can, by recognising that they're purely subjective concepts.

Which is why I asked OP to provide examples of what she would personally consider to be "feminine" dress.

[Merc Mama]

Thank you for speaking out. I had this problem in my ME series play through. And no fringes on females? Or males?
I understand that some people might not think having a lot of options, with clothes or hair is important, but people like me play the game and design a character that looks as close to myself as possible, so lack of feminine objects or features is a real let down. And looking feminine is something that is abit important to me because there aren't many games that let you play as a female hero, they mostly are written for men and even interactions in relationships are designed for males [when you have a bi partner, just feels like you're playing out the scene as a male, instead of feminine touch, see Fenris relationship for example]. This is one of those few games that lets you be a chick, but it would be nice if it wasn't just a change of voice, model and clothes and deep down you'd get the feeling that you are this woman..