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[Adela]

garrusfan1 wrote...


you mean the one with the mace? if so then yeah that looks cool

lol ya mace or whatever to me it kinda looks like a staff but ya here is another ide of a female armor


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[Kalyppso]

MisanthropePrime wrote...
Barbarism is such a loaded term, but it usually also connotes masculinity: when I say "Barbarian" does the image of a large, muscular, bare-chested man with long hair, a beard and hefting large, phallic weapons not come up?

Historically men are more violent / barbaric than women, but that does not make it a masculine quality. It is a human quality more often exhibitted by men.

It also has nothing to do with the attire of fictional women in a fantasy universe, which is what OP was trying to discuss.

I am not arguing for form-fitting plate on warriors of either gender, but when I came to this thread I thought feminine might mean more than gear choices, or even long hair ... but I don't know. If that's where we're going I still say:

I don't know why a Lady could not wear this:


Source: http://dragonage2.ne...05&user=1&pUp=1

And no longer be a valid protagonist in the Dragon Age series ...

Modifié par Mademon, 30 juin 2013 - 02:40 .

[AutumnWitch]

Plaintiff wrote...

Can you post or list some more examples of what you would deem "feminine" clothing?

Its been a while since I played, but I usally play a mage, and if you noticed in DA2 for example, a lot of the female mages (NPCs) got to wear simple blouses with a bodice or anything that is more like a skirt or dress. I understand for a non-mage wearing these things might be a practical issue but for mages (which is what I play) they really have a lot more room to work with. Think of what Morrigan had in DAO or even what Merrill had in DA2. All very feminine but not "cheap".

[AutumnWitch]

Morocco Mole wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...

How feminine can you be when you're still wrist deep in your enemy's guts? Whether you like it or not, the actions of your typical RPG protagonist are stereotypically "masculine". Refer to Sten's question as to whether or not the female Warden is actually female.

Also true.

that is really nice, thanks for posting the pic...what is it from?

[MisanthropePrime]

Mademon wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...
Barbarism is such a loaded term, but it usually also connotes masculinity: when I say "Barbarian" does the image of a large, muscular, bare-chested man with long hair, a beard and hefting large, phallic weapons not come up?

Historically men are more violent / barbaric than women, but that does not make it a masculine quality. It is a human quality more often exhibitted by men.

It also has nothing to do with the attire of fictional women in a fantasy universe, which is what OP was trying to discuss.

I am not arguing for form-fitting plate on warriors of either gender, but when I came to this thread I thought feminine might mean more than gear choices, or even long hair ... but I don't know. If that's where we're going I still say:

I don't know why a Lady could not wear this:


Source: http://dragonage2.ne...05&user=1&pUp=1

And no longer be a valid protagonist in the Dragon Age series ...

The lack of long hair, at least, isn't a choice regarding gender so much as it is technology: it's insanely hard to render long hair well. You either have a big blob of hair-colored stuff on a character's head that doesn't move, or short hair that doesn't extend beyond the shoulders so there's no clipping.

[Plaintiff]

AutumnWitch wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Can you post or list some more examples of what you would deem "feminine" clothing?

Its been a while since I played, but I usally play a mage, and if you noticed in DA2 for example, a lot of the female mages (NPCs) got to wear simple blouses with a bodice or anything that is more like a skirt or dress. I understand for a non-mage wearing these things might be a practical issue but for mages (which is what I play) they really have a lot more room to work with. Think of what Morrigan had in DAO or even what Merrill had in DA2. All very feminine but not "cheap".

That's still a tad vague for me, sorry.

Do you want the option to show more skin? Do you want more decoration? Do you just want it to be more form-fitting?

I'm not opposed to adding more different kinds of clothing, but I think that male characters should be allowed to equip the "feminine" stuff too.

[AutumnWitch]

Merc Mama wrote...

Thank you for speaking out. I had this problem in my ME series play through. And no fringes on females? Or males?
I understand that some people might not think having a lot of options, with clothes or hair is important, but people like me play the game and design a character that looks as close to myself as possible, so lack of feminine objects or features is a real let down. And looking feminine is something that is abit important to me because there aren't many games that let you play as a female hero, they mostly are written for men and even interactions in relationships are designed for males [when you have a bi partner, just feels like you're playing out the scene as a male, instead of feminine touch, see Fenris relationship for example]. This is one of those few games that lets you be a chick, but it would be nice if it wasn't just a change of voice, model and clothes and deep down you'd get the feeling that you are this woman..

I think the bottom line is, is that if these situations were real, some women who were good at would express their femininity in what they wear. Or at least have the choice when we want to.

[Merc Mama]

Plaintiff wrote...

And why do we care what Sten thinks? His culture has extremely rigid ideas about gender roles that virtually nobody else in Thedas subscribes to.

Though even in his culture, I bet the ladies get to wear girly clothes. 

[Plaintiff]

Merc Mama wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

And why do we care what Sten thinks? His culture has extremely rigid ideas about gender roles that virtually nobody else in Thedas subscribes to.

Though even in his culture, I bet the ladies get to wear girly clothes. 

I imagine that in Sten's culture, women don't get to wear anything but "girly" clothes.

[AutumnWitch]

Plaintiff wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Can you post or list some more examples of what you would deem "feminine" clothing?

Its been a while since I played, but I usally play a mage, and if you noticed in DA2 for example, a lot of the female mages (NPCs) got to wear simple blouses with a bodice or anything that is more like a skirt or dress. I understand for a non-mage wearing these things might be a practical issue but for mages (which is what I play) they really have a lot more room to work with. Think of what Morrigan had in DAO or even what Merrill had in DA2. All very feminine but not "cheap".

That's still a tad vague for me, sorry.

Do you want the option to show more skin? Do you want more decoration? Do you just want it to be more form-fitting?

I'm not opposed to adding more different kinds of clothing, but I think that male characters should be allowed to equip the "feminine" stuff too.

I hate saying I want to "show more skin" because that can be taken the wrong way....but look at Bethany in the beginning of DA2,,,,,she was strong, clearly brave but still had a very feminine look to her robes and general appearance.

[Merc Mama]

AutumnWitch wrote...

I think the bottom line is, is that if these situations were real, some women who were good at would express their femininity in what they wear. Or at least have the choice when we want to.

I would be fine if even the males got feminine choices, for the adventurous or gay. Everything is so masculine that it's a shame, especially when the game boasts different expriences for all your choices. 

[MisanthropePrime]

Merc Mama wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

And why do we care what Sten thinks? His culture has extremely rigid ideas about gender roles that virtually nobody else in Thedas subscribes to.

Though even in his culture, I bet the ladies get to wear girly clothes. 

[Adela]

MisanthropePrime wrote...



The lack of long hair, at least, isn't a choice regarding gender so much as it is technology: it's insanely hard to render long hair well. You either have a big blob of hair-colored stuff on a character's head that doesn't move, or short hair that doesn't extend beyond the shoulders so there's no clipping.

im sure there not gonna make hairs such as  like  with hair farm witch ya ot does take a long time to render  what we would be happy with is just a polygonal hair mesh  that dont really take time to render at all unles its got some crazy normal maps/ bump maps/ ambient oclusion / specular all those maps that are used on the caracter its self also could take a bit of time to render not just hair

[Adela]

also it doesn't necessarily have to flow with the wind or anything als long as its weighted right to the bones of the body it can avoid clipping as well

[Merc Mama]

Plaintiff wrote...

Merc Mama wrote...

Though even in his culture, I bet the ladies get to wear girly clothes. 

I imagine that in Sten's culture, women don't get to wear anything but "girly" clothes.

Haha! Didn't tihnk of that. 
I think it boils down to the choice and the feeling that it's different for each gender, in DA2 it really didn't feel like much like you were a different Hawke unless you picked a different character class. 

[Kalyppso]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

The lack of long hair, at least, isn't a choice regarding gender so much as it is technology: it's insanely hard to render long hair well. You either have a big blob of hair-colored stuff on a character's head that doesn't move, or short hair that doesn't extend beyond the shoulders so there's no clipping.

I didn't say anything about long hair.

Referring only to female characters, I felt Anora's braided buns and the up-bun were sufficient in Origins ... which were sorely lacking in DA2. In DA2 ... actually, I realize now that I used "Cassandra's hair," the ponytail featuring the Hawke swish in front and two of the infamous "helmet hairs:"





Both are mine. http://dragonage.nex...sers/2137400//?

It wasn't that the hair didn't move that made it flawed, in my opinion, but rather that when you looked at them ... they didn't look light and fluffy like the default FemHawke hair ... Long hair that looks like hair, even if it is plastered or bunned up like DAO would satisfy me. The rest can be handled by promotional / fan art.

I don't say all this to rain on the parade of OP ... but again, I thought that this thread might address femininity beyond "long hair." (And it does, I'm just responding to your reply.

[MilaBanilla]

I only want dresses full of ruffles and feathers all over my long hair.
Seriously though, some optional cute clothes for females would be cool.
I rarely played a blonde since it looked very clay-like. Morrigan's hair looks really nice in the teaser. So hopefully, lighter hair colors looks that nice as well.

[Merc Mama]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

Is it wrong to think I would wear alittle of that outfit? I mean, apart from the boob and tummy section, it's still rather nice. Though I just realised a lack of accessories.. Maybe that's what Fereldan is missing? Cause even when you wore rings in the first game, or necklaces.. They didn't show up.

[AutumnWitch]

Merc Mama wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

I think the bottom line is, is that if these situations were real, some women who were good at would express their femininity in what they wear. Or at least have the choice when we want to.

I would be fine if even the males got feminine choices, for the adventurous or gay. Everything is so masculine that it's a shame, especially when the game boasts different expriences for all your choices. 

You hit in right on the head, its about the choice to play your character the way you would like to. thank you.

[MisanthropePrime]

Merc Mama wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...

Is it wrong to think I would wear alittle of that outfit? I mean, apart from the boob and tummy section, it's still rather nice. Though I just realised a lack of accessories.. Maybe that's what Fereldan is missing? Cause even when you wore rings in the first game, or necklaces.. They didn't show up.

I really like Qunari fashion as presented in DAII and its tie-ins. I love how it seems a common feature are either interlaced bands or designs that appear as such. I hated Tallis as a character but I liked her armor.

[Silfren]

Merc Mama wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

And why do we care what Sten thinks? His culture has extremely rigid ideas about gender roles that virtually nobody else in Thedas subscribes to.

Though even in his culture, I bet the ladies get to wear girly clothes. 

I doubt it.  I doubt clothing in Qunari society is allowed to be anything at all other than practical.

[Kalyppso]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

Merc Mama wrote...

Is it wrong to think I would wear alittle of that outfit? I mean, apart from the boob and tummy section, it's still rather nice. Though I just realised a lack of accessories.. Maybe that's what Fereldan is missing? Cause even when you wore rings in the first game, or necklaces.. They didn't show up.

I really like Qunari fashion as presented in DAII and its tie-ins. I love how it seems a common feature are either interlaced bands or designs that appear as such. I hated Tallis as a character but I liked her armor.

I would not want to face combat in that outfit ... Is she a priestess?

On a similar note, I like any cultural deviation in fashion or armors. It was unsettling that your wedding dress for a female City Elf was the same clothing as some of the dwarven nobles in Orzammar. I don't fault the game or developpers for that specifically, but I'm using an example of where the DA universe could benefit from it, I think.

[Merc Mama]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

I really like Qunari fashion as presented in DAII and its tie-ins. I love how it seems a common feature are either interlaced bands or designs that appear as such. I hated Tallis as a character but I liked her armor.

I suppose that is the point of the design, to have those soft feminine touchs in the armour, cause regardless of thier views, we have to believe that the qunari females are dressing themselves and still wear clothes that make them look like how the men want them to, but throw in alittle armour and cover alittle to still show thier strength & pride, while mixed with that womanly touch. 

[Merc Mama]

Mademon wrote...

I would not want to face combat in that outfit ... Is she a priestess?

On a similar note, I like any cultural deviation in fashion or armors. It was unsettling that your wedding dress for a female City Elf was the same clothing as some of the dwarven nobles in Orzammar. I don't fault the game or developpers for that specifically, but I'm using an example of where the DA universe could benefit from it, I think.

I understand that they might not want to create different meshes for clothing in game. But they can get away with doing different patterns and stuff without breaking the game. 
Also sounds weird for them to put a dwarf noble dress on a city elf as a wedding dress. I suppose it may have been bought from a dwarven merchant after the noble sold it?

[embraceternity]

I agree with the OP. I think, if someone wants their character to dress just like how we're currently getting our options, then awesome. If someone wants their character to wear even more armor and look like the full extent of a realistic "warrior", then that's awesome to. I know I personally, love to make femine characters (which makes sense, since I'm very feminine myself). I normally do appearance mods to make my characters look how I want, like my display pic of one of my DA:O characters.



Or, this mod I used during the ball in the Mark of the Assassin DLC:



I'm lucky to have a PC where I can use mods like these and make my characters how I imagine them. I'd love it even more, if more options for diversity were given to do this, or an outfit more like Aveline if players so wish, in the vanilla games.

(Not to say we don't completely not have this option, however! There are some gorgeous armor in both games, and I technically could not use mods and be satisfied. But given the option for more diversity, I love to take it.)