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[Kalyppso]

Merc Mama wrote...

I understand that they might not want to create different meshes for clothing in game. But they can get away with doing different patterns and stuff without breaking the game. 
Also sounds weird for them to put a dwarf noble dress on a city elf as a wedding dress. I suppose it may have been bought from a dwarven merchant after the noble sold it?

d: Well I was grateful at least for the one size fits all policy of DAO. I hope companion customization comes back to the same extent in DAI ... though I have very strong doubts. I imagine they'll have a primary outfit with accessories / paint to customize.

embraceternity wrote...

I agree with the OP. I think, if someone wants their character to dress just like how we're currently getting our options, then awesome. If someone wants their character to wear even more armor and look like the full extent of a realistic "warrior", then that's awesome to. I know I personally, love to make femine characters (which makes sense, since I'm very feminine myself). I normally do appearance mods to make my characters look how I want, like my display pic of one of my DA:O characters.

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Or, this mod I used during the ball in the Mark of the Assassin DLC:

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I'm lucky to have a PC where I can use mods like these and make my characters how I imagine them. I'd love it even more, if more options for diversity were given to do this, or an outfit more like Aveline if players so wish, in the vanilla games.

(Not to say we don't completely not have this option, however! There are some gorgeous armor in both games, and I technically could not use mods and be satisfied. But given the option for more diversity, I love to take it.)

Your DAO character is beautiful. A strong and feminine version of sexy ... rather than "dicey."

I think an in-game armor that did a great job of being lore-friendly and friendly to both genders was the Sentinel armor set in Awakenings by the by ... And in DA2, the warden outfits were excellent too.

But divesity is the thing, isn't it? I like playing the warrior, but can respect that others would rather play the warrior in strumpet's clothing ... Greedily, I am glad that this is not the default.

[Dhiro]

You seem to be equating feminine with cleavage, which is... I don't think there's anything wrong with outfits that show off your character's body, as long as that's an option and not a rule, and it's done tastefully - outfits that defy physics to show that "yes lady has breasts" are, ah, silly to me.

[Merc Mama]

Dhiro wrote...

You seem to be equating feminine with cleavage, which is... I don't think there's anything wrong with outfits that show off your character's body, as long as that's an option and not a rule, and it's done tastefully - outfits that defy physics to show that "yes lady has breasts" are, ah, silly to me.

I do actually miss my clevage, in DAO you at least got ot wear something like the Witch's robe, which while being flimsy and not very good armour. Still was nice to look at and was often worn whenever speaking to LI. It would be nice to see something showy, or even the option to show off flesh.

[lady_v23]

I agree. I want to be fem and have the options to dress like one. But if I want to go butch, let it be also an option.

Femininity is important. But just.. don't give me an 1 inch mini skirt and piece of string and call that my off duty clothes.

My point: Don't exaggerate it.

[Boycott Bioware]

Femininity is subjective...most people think being feminine is being beautiful in appearance. Beautiful is also subjective. When talk about subjective thing, it totally depended on a person...

In DA:O, Lady Aeducan look feminine to me despite wearing heavy armors, short and fat. Rica also look feminine. Most female Dwarves look feminine to me.

Sadly the female Elves don't look feminine except Shiani. It is because their facial bone structure is badly designed. It is frustrating for me to customize my female Elf Warden face

As for human model, feminine means being Noble and beautiful like Anora and Isolde

[LolaLei]

I'm all for more options.

[Ageless Face]

I wouldn't mind having more dialouge options that are "more feminine" (although I doubt I'll use it much, it sounds ridiculous), but I don't support the clothes to be more feminine- since obviously that won't be an option. It's a lot more realistic to me that combat outfit will fit for combat instead of curves.

[AresKeith]

HagarIshay wrote...

I wouldn't mind having more dialouge options that are "more feminine" (although I doubt I'll use it much, it sounds ridiculous), but I don't support the clothes to be more feminine- since obviously that won't be an option. It's a lot more realistic to me that combat outfit will fit for combat instead of curves.

What if it's something like this?

[GungFooHustler]

I think the OP will get what she wants.

I think Skyrim got enough praise for everyone to take notes. In Skyrim, the male and female armors weren't just taken in at the waist but styled much differently with gender specific features. The character creation in Elder Scrolls has always had more options as well. Bioware must have taken notice.

What I would add is that the male and female could be written differently, with distinct personalities. Just as women and men are different. For example, maybe the female character would be more suspicious of other women in certain cases, whereas the male would be oblivious and fall for a pretty face. That could even lead to different quests and quest outcomes for the male and female. Maybe the male gets chummy with other guys and pick on somebody, and the female has a group of frenemies who are all catty with each other.

[Mr.House]

GungFooHustler wrote...

I think the OP will get what she wants.

I think Skyrim got enough praise for everyone to take notes. In Skyrim, the male and female armors weren't just taken in at the waist but styled much differently with gender specific features. The character creation in Elder Scrolls has always had more options as well. Bioware must have taken notice.

What I would add is that the male and female could be written differently, with distinct personalities. Just as women and men are different. For example, maybe the female character would be more suspicious of other women in certain cases, whereas the male would be oblivious and fall for a pretty face. That could even lead to different quests and quest outcomes for the male and female. Maybe the male gets chummy with other guys and pick on somebody, and the female has a group of frenemies who are all catty with each other.

Alot of the female armor of SKyrim showed way to much flesh, you know that right? Hell everyone in The Companions cricle wears wolf armor but Aela who wears revealing armor.

[dorianpervus]

Despite what the OP said some people are still taking it to "feminine means degrading and therefor should not be allowed". Which is not true.

But to go with the topic. I agree with all of it. I'm sure the the Frostbite 3 Engine will allow them to make long hair, since it's usually not put in because they can't make the animation work. The blonde hair I didn't really have a problem with but more attractive hair colors would be welcome. When it comes to armor and such, feminine doesn't mean impractical and I remember being frustrated about the shapeless armor too.

[Sontemuka]

Well, I think the Champion's Armour of DA2 are great for both, female and male champion. I don't have an strict opinion about this, while they doesn't make the female armour like a sexy-party-dress. For an example, if I see a female inquisitor with high heels, I will kill my self xD

Besides of that, if i'm not wrong they say at PAX2012 some hints about the armor and companions. The same armour will change, adapting to the body (female/male) and keep the identity of the character. I imagine this would be applicable to the Inquisitor.

[GungFooHustler]

Mr.House wrote...

GungFooHustler wrote...

I think the OP will get what she wants.

I think Skyrim got enough praise for everyone to take notes. In Skyrim, the male and female armors weren't just taken in at the waist but styled much differently with gender specific features. The character creation in Elder Scrolls has always had more options as well. Bioware must have taken notice.

What I would add is that the male and female could be written differently, with distinct personalities. Just as women and men are different. For example, maybe the female character would be more suspicious of other women in certain cases, whereas the male would be oblivious and fall for a pretty face. That could even lead to different quests and quest outcomes for the male and female. Maybe the male gets chummy with other guys and pick on somebody, and the female has a group of frenemies who are all catty with each other.

Alot of the female armor of SKyrim showed way to much flesh, you know that right? Hell everyone in The Companions cricle wears wolf armor but Aela who wears revealing armor.

I wouldn't say a lot.  The fur and hide armors in both male and female versions, and  Aela wore Ancient Nord Armor (you could make it at Skyforge)  So really out of all of the armors in the game.... 3.  And the fur armor had a variant where the male was completely bare chested.  Such is the way of barbarians.

[Catroi]

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[duckley]

AutumnWitch wrote...

Hello,

I hope that some of you Bioware developers read this and please take some of it into account.

A few of my (female) friends and myself would like to ask to please let the female protagonist dress/act a bit more feminine if she wants it.

What we mean is, in DA2 it was clear that all mage robes and armour for the woman Hawke were just the male version fitted on a woman's form. This was very frustrating as every other woman in the game had a wee bit of
sex appeal, even Aveline has a wee bit of cleavage at some point. All of the other women in the game tended to be pretty and had feminine clothes/robes/armour/features. Heck, even her own sister had a very pretty set of
robes. Please don't think we are asking to run around jiggling in bikinis but making us the "feminised" Hawke/Protagonist is nearly just as bad. I can't tell you how disappointed we were when we played the Mark of the Assaion DLC and we got to go to Orlais (the fashion Capital of Thedas) and what do we get to wear at a fancy social event? A set of purple trousers? Really? Come on, you can do better than that. Just because we are heroes and leaders doesn't mean we check our womanhood at the door.

If you are going to let the protagonist be female than let us have the choice to at least dress like one. Again, PLEASE, do not interpret this as us wanting to run around in "barely there" robes/armour but rather give us the same
choices the NPC or Companions have at least. Also, if you consider that there are times when the female protagonist might want to talk her way into something or flirt with a guard to sneak in somewhere or something like
that, giving us a little more to work with physically would help the allusion.

And please if you are going to let us have a choice to what we look like (face/hair/eyes/ and all of that) give us the option to have long hair! Most women in DA2 had long hair (Aveline withstanding) and we don't get that
choice? Also, why no blonde hair? (yes I know there was kind of a washed out blonde but compared to say Meredith’s or Lady Elegant’s is was horrible).

I guess what we want is, that if you are going to allow us to play a female protagonist then let us be female and not just a watered down version of the male protagonist?

Thanks for listening!

I guess I dont equate  showing cleavage  with femininity.   IMO showing cleavage just shows you have breasts.
At any rate I thought the costumes were fine, although I did prefer the ones that came as dlcs.

Can you explain what specifically you mean by feminine clothes?  Apparently it does not include purple trousers... Do you want them in different colors? More form fitting? Floral patterns?
For me, femininity is a state of mind... long hair, short hair, jeans, dresses dont make the woman.It her perspectives, her biology, the way she talks and walks etc. And yes, I am a female gamer.
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[Arppis]

Hm, why does this need to be spiralled out of the context too? She/he just wants pretty dresses and some hair. Oh and maybe some bit more "femine" animations for the female protagonists. Very simple.

Don't think it would be a crime.

Modifié par Arppis, 30 juin 2013 - 09:30 .

[Sir George Parr]

Arppis wrote...

Hm, why does this need to be spiralled out of the context too? She/he just wants pretty dresses and some hair. Oh and maybe some bit more "femine" animations for the female protagonists. Very simple.

Don't think it would be a crime.

That it wouldn't be. more options are always welcome, Instead of finding that with Female Hawke she can only be a Tom boy, which in itself isn't a problem. But if you as the player want her to be more feminine the option just isn't there.

[Airdeen]

I'd love to be able to have more feminine clothes/armours for my characters. It does not need to be revealing at all (armour should certainly not be revealing). For me feminine clothing means it's form fitting, that it sits well and shows off that the character is indeed a woman. Masculine clothing has many of the same traits, only they're made to show off the male figure as opposed to the female figure.

[Patchwork]

  I understand what your asking for OP but my concern is BW interpretation- male Shepard's leather jacket verses female Shepard's trashbag dress is a prime example of what I don't want.

I do want some of my female inquistors to have long hair, like Tallis' or DOA Morrigan's, and the option to wear the most Orleasian, Orleasian dress possible just because my girl fancied dressing up that day. Or have chainmail covered by a dress like Merrill's (but with proper shoes), Flemeth's thigh-high boots and badass gloves. 

Lapislazzuli has created my favourite DA2 mods especially the girlier finery outfits.

But if BW is just going to give us is short skirts and boob windows I'd rather they stick to a re-pinned version of the male outfit. 

[Giant ambush beetle]

Only if its OPTIONAL, I don't want my hardass female fighter who beheads people and guts monsters by the dozens with sharp blades and hammers wear dresses and act like a girly girl.
Now THAT would be all kinds of creepy.

[KiwiQuiche]

I don't want my female PC to be 'feminine' She's a warrior, she isn't gonna be prancing about in a dress to go to some nonsensical ball or trying to slap on make-up when demons are trying to bash down her door.

Cleavage? One of the things I hated about Isabela was the utterly ridiculously outfit she was wearing; it's like the devs would think we forgot she was a woman if her legs and boobs weren't hanging out.

If this is implemented, I would strong want it to be a choice; I don't want my PC being forced to tart her way past guards just because she has a pair of ******.

[Ashelsu]

But... but iconic look? Isabela looks great in Mac Tir, btw.
I hope there would be options, don't want to relive the horror of Shep's dress.

[KiwiQuiche]

Ashelsu wrote...

But... but iconic look? Isabela looks great in Mac Tir, btw.
I hope there would be options, don't want to relive the horror of Shep's dress.

I was so enraged when I didn't get a cool leather jacket, just some horrid re-skinned Allers dress.

[IC-07]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I don't want my female PC to be 'feminine' She's a warrior, she isn't gonna be prancing about in a dress to go to some nonsensical ball or trying to slap on make-up when demons are trying to bash down her door.

Cleavage? One of the things I hated about Isabela was the utterly ridiculously outfit she was wearing; it's like the devs would think we forgot she was a woman if her legs and boobs weren't hanging out.

If this is implemented, I would strong want it to be a choice; I don't want my PC being forced to tart her way past guards just because she has a pair of ******.

Womans beauty can do a lot more things than swords.
I approve of OPs idea.

[KiwiQuiche]

IC-07 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I don't want my female PC to be 'feminine' She's a warrior, she isn't gonna be prancing about in a dress to go to some nonsensical ball or trying to slap on make-up when demons are trying to bash down her door.

Cleavage? One of the things I hated about Isabela was the utterly ridiculously outfit she was wearing; it's like the devs would think we forgot she was a woman if her legs and boobs weren't hanging out.

If this is implemented, I would strong want it to be a choice; I don't want my PC being forced to tart her way past guards just because she has a pair of ******.

Womans beauty can do a lot more things than swords.
I approve of OPs idea.

A punch in the face works better than having your PC being forced to sleaze her way past guards purely because she's female.