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[Adela]

also for example final fantasy 13 had VERY feminine skin showing type of clothing and no one complained about how they are dressed and they also fight sooo just saying

Modifié par ag99, 30 juin 2013 - 01:58 .

[Patchwork]

I don't use male PCs but in MOTA can't male Hawke use the same "seduction" technique on the lord's son as female Hawke? I find the idea of a female protagonist sleazing her way through a quest as repellent as one who has to dress and act like a man to get the job done. As though a woman's only options are Sexy Spy or Imitation Male. That said using the possibility of sex as a means to achieve a goal is more palatable if it's available to both versions of the PC without any ludicrous NPC swapping.

Armour should do it's job and cover up vital areas but once the basics are there why can't it also have some pretty etching or decorative metal work?

[IC-07]

ag99 wrote...

also for example final fantasy 13 and VERY feminine skin showing type of clothing and no one complained about how they are dressed and they also fight sooo just saying

This is BSN. People have problems with everyting.

[Adela]

so i've noticed...

[KiwiQuiche]

"no one complained"?

Seriously? I've seen quite a few people complain. Though a lot of it about Vanille was her changing accent and stupid behavior...

[Magdalena11]

There are many hair and clothing mods for PC, for which I'm grateful. I really like the dress I have in MOTA and the hairstyle I have in my avatar is pretty much my go-to for female PCs. For role-playing purposes, I think long, unbound hair isn't really practical since in real life I find it gets caught in stuff when I'm active. Even mage combat can be pretty physical at times. I've always wondered why templars of both genders wear long skirts since if you've ever had to climb a flight of stairs in one you can appreciate the difficulty trying to fight in one would cause. I would think a kilt would be a better option. In DA:O the dusk robes mod was plenty revealing (a bit too much so for Wynne, who I didn't think would feel comfortable in it.)

I hope there will be cosmetic clothing choices for DA:I. Also, perhaps the choice to wear makeup or not throughout the story. In DA2 it always struck me as odd that in the opening sequence you're running for your life but had time to put on your makeup first. I usually create an initial character without makeup and then hop over to the Black Emporium and put some on.

[Adela]

what im saying is, this is a game not rl its not like if ur character dies u will too, if i want my PC to look like a skank then whatever i would like to have that option if u want ur PC to look like a truck then by all means have a ball i just want to have THE OPTION to make my PC to look the way i want no one is forcing u to put on  clothing like that if u dont want too, there is this thing called  "CHOICE" 

Modifié par ag99, 30 juin 2013 - 02:32 .

[PsychoBlonde]

 The only thing that bugs me is that the female protagonist still sits and runs like a man in cutscenes.  Other than that, I was pretty happy with Hawke looking more feminine--Origins was HORRIBLE in this respect.

I don't care about long hair--I don't think long hair is inherently more feminine than short hair, and I prefer the shorter styles anyway.

Also, if you're going to use the words "we" and "us" then you DAMN WELL had better be posting on behalf of yourself AND AT LEAST ONE OTHER ACTUAL PERSON.  Not a hypothetical person.

[Magdalena11]

As a side note, while I'm sure no one is going to write any more mods for DA:O, I really wish the hairstyle options for humans were also available for female elves. All the elvish options appear to me as stringy messes. I don't care if their ears poke through, since being an elf is about culture not pointy ears.

[Magdalena11]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

 The only thing that bugs me is that the female protagonist still sits and runs like a man in cutscenes.  Other than that, I was pretty happy with Hawke looking more feminine--Origins was HORRIBLE in this respect.

I don't care about long hair--I don't think long hair is inherently more feminine than short hair, and I prefer the shorter styles anyway.

Also, if you're going to use the words "we" and "us" then you DAMN WELL had better be posting on behalf of yourself AND AT LEAST ONE OTHER ACTUAL PERSON.  Not a hypothetical person.

Did you find the female Hawke runs/walks like the male?  I'm annoyed by the way she swishes through the streets in normal exploration mode.  I'll pay attention next time I see her in a cutscene.

[DarthLaxian]

Well - i can agree to that, but only if it is in no way forced, because i (as a man) play female characters sometimes but i play them tomboy like if i can (maybe that's because in real live i dislike girly-girls, too - i love women who give you the stink eye, if you suggest they wear a dress, heels (which i absolutely despise on women...they look stupid IMHO) and make-up i just love this kind of woman)

greetings LAX
ps: there are other areas which should get attention first though
pps: i want the male character to be able to be sexy, too (and use his being sexy to persuade the other - or even the same - gender...being sexual and sleeping your way to the top should not be exclusive to women IMHO)
=> Hawke does not "run like a man" - there is no "walk like a female" and "walk like a man"...it is so chauvinist to look at women not swinging their hipps and going for sex-appeal as being boyish/manly....*shakes his head and says* i know many girls who you would say walk like men, because they take extra care not to play the sex/gender card, because they want to be seen for themselves, not for their gender (who is known to use sex-appeal as an advantage more often then men are!)

Modifié par DarthLaxian, 30 juin 2013 - 02:36 .

[Magdalena11]

DarthLaxian wrote...

Well - i can agree to that, but only if it is in no way forced, because i (as a man) play female characters sometimes but i play them tomboy like if i can (maybe that's because in real live i dislike girly-girls, too - i love women who give you the stink eye, if you suggest they wear a dress, heels (which i absolutely despise on women...they look stupid IMHO) and make-up i just love this kind of woman)

greetings LAX
ps: there are other areas which should get attention first though
pps: i want the male character to be able to be sexy, too (and use his being sexy to persuade the other - or even the same - gender...being sexual and sleeping your way to the top should not be exclusive to women IMHO)
=> Hawke does not "run like a man" - there is no "walk like a female" and "walk like a man"...it is so chauvinist to look at women not swinging their hipps and going for sex-appeal as being boyish/manly....*shakes his head and says* i know many girls who you would say walk like men, because they take extra care not to play the sex/gender card, because they want to be seen for themselves, not for their gender (who is known to use sex-appeal as an advantage more often then men are!)

I always get a kick out of the banter between Merril and Isabela about how to walk like a girl.  If you watch them as they move, they're pretty much the same.  My sister observed that the female Hawke sways too much to be real and the male Hawke runs like he's got a loaded diaper.  Animation can't be easy but hopefully this will improve in DA:I.

There are much more important issues to fix, such as bad retconning, but for me, a lot of the fun of playing DA is roleplaying and I hate to see my Hawke/Warden doing something I wouldn't do.  I wouldn't wear a ballgown to fight the archdemon, nor would I wear pants to a black tie affair.  Why play a game that isn't fun?  If I want to make a character I want to own it, not be shuttled into a lame stereotype.

[dragondreamer]

Ser Bard wrote...

I don't use male PCs but in MOTA can't male Hawke use the same "seduction" technique on the lord's son as female Hawke? 

Yep.  And in DA:O, a male Warden could also seduce the guard in Fort Drakon.  But it's your choice how you handle those situations, and I think ideally it should be the same for how a character presents themselves visually.  I hate using the term "feminine" in this situation, because of the implication that a woman isn't a woman unless they conform to cultural standards. 

I prefer practical armor (and pants) for my lady pcs, but I'm not against options.  Also it's one thing to want things like cleavage-showing clothing and dresses for places like Hawke's house or party settings, but wearing that stuff for battledress is just a big Do Not Want for me.  I can see there being opportunities for that sort of thing in DA:I though since it's mainly set in Orlais, which means we'll probably have a fancy ball at some point if the rumors follow through.

The big exception I think is mage robes, which don't really need to be practical.  But I'm still not one for revealing or "sexy" clothing, considering my favorite mage-wear in DA2 were the ones that looked like normal clothes with a vest and pants.  Or the armor-like ones.

But speaking of mage robes, I've noticed that at least one of lady Hawke's robes is something that male Hawke doesn't get.  It resembles a fuzzy blue bathrobe.  His version of that robe looks completely different.  Unless I've just missed all opportunities for my male Hawkes to be fluffy and pastel-y.

[Magdalena11]

dragondreamer wrote...

Ser Bard wrote...

I don't use male PCs but in MOTA can't male Hawke use the same "seduction" technique on the lord's son as female Hawke? 

Yep.  And in DA:O, a male Warden could also seduce the guard in Fort Drakon.  But it's your choice how you handle those situations, and I think ideally it should be the same for how a character presents themselves visually.  I hate using the term "feminine" in this situation, because of the implication that a woman isn't a woman unless they conform to cultural standards. 

I prefer practical armor (and pants) for my lady pcs, but I'm not against options.  Also it's one thing to want things like cleavage-showing clothing and dresses for places like Hawke's house or party settings, but wearing that stuff for battledress is just a big Do Not Want for me.  I can see there being opportunities for that sort of thing in DA:I though since it's mainly set in Orlais, which means we'll probably have a fancy ball at some point if the rumors follow through.

The big exception I think is mage robes, which don't really need to be practical.  But I'm still not one for revealing or "sexy" clothing, considering my favorite mage-wear in DA2 were the ones that looked like normal clothes with a vest and pants.  Or the armor-like ones.

But speaking of mage robes, I've noticed that at least one of lady Hawke's robes is something that male Hawke doesn't get.  It resembles a fuzzy blue bathrobe.  His version of that robe looks completely different.  Unless I've just missed all opportunities for my male Hawkes to be fluffy and pastel-y.

Yes, the armor is silly sometimes for females.  In particular, the female rogue armor in DA:O.  I wouldn't be caught dead (well, maybe I would be dead) in the female leathers (a bra and short kilt.)  I've never seen the fluffy blue bathrobe, though.  Do you have a link?

[WildOrchid]

lady_v23 wrote...

I agree. I want to be fem and have the options to dress like one. But if I want to go butch, let it be also an option.

Femininity is important. But just.. don't give me an 1 inch mini skirt and piece of string and call that my off duty clothes.

My point: Don't exaggerate it.

This.

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I don't want my female PC to be 'feminine' She's a warrior, she isn't gonna be prancing about in a dress to go to some nonsensical ball or trying to slap on make-up when demons are trying to bash down her door.

I think you're taking the word "feminity" as something bad and weak. It's not. A woman can be feminine AND kick ass just fine.


Just.... the clothes should be more serious and not showing almost everything a la Morrigan. It's fine to show some cleavage but NOT to the point of saying "hey, look down there, I'm woman!! Look how my boobs bounce!".
That's my problem with Bioware, they make exaggerating outfits for females most of times.




Edit: quote fail

Modifié par WildOrchid, 30 juin 2013 - 03:02 .

[QueenPurpleScrap]

The OP has a point.

I think DAO did a better job with armor for the sexes. With everything but the massive armors you could clearly see that it was tailored for the gender. Take the leather armors for an example, they were definitely cut differently for the men and the women. I never had the sense that my female rogue/mage/warrior was wearing men's clothing.
[edit] The Dalish leather took it farther than the other leathers with the skirt and cropped top. It was a bit too much but I still have my female Dalish rogue wearing it and upgrading it because it is her heritage.

BTW, good armor should be cut/adjusted to fit the wearer in order to be more effective, IMHO.

In DAO the woman's walk was just wrong. You don't have to be excessively swishy-hipped (DA2 went a bit too far in that regard) to acknowledge that men and women are going to be different. Their body structures are different so their walks are bound to be different.

In DA2 the armors were definitely more masculine. The reason they didn't change them more for a female Hawke is the same reason the fancy dress for male and female Hawke were the same (unless you downloaded a mod, which I did). And it would have so easy for some. Some armors were basically leather trousers and vests. You wore a shirt underneath. That shirt didn't have to belong to Carver. A simple scoop neck and slightly different sleeves, perhaps gathered at the wrist instead of cuffs, would have been more feminine without in anyway making it sex-kitten or otherwise detracting from its purpose. They don't even have to do it for every set.

Without mods the hair was awful in DA2. (@Magdalena11: FYI, on dragonagenexus there are hair mods for DAO which have been updated in recent weeks and months, even some earring versions which do not follow hair color). I like the idea of being able to have long hair, but if I am a rogue or warrior I either stick with shoulder length or some sort up ponytail or other gathered style. I don't like it when it looks like hair is growing out of my chest and poking through the armor. That is definitely not feminine, LOL.

The option to wear jewelry, visible jewelry, would be nice. Just saying.

Modifié par QueenPurpleScrap, 30 juin 2013 - 03:23 .

[Black Jimmy]

 Something like Traits from Sims 3 could work.
Have a small selection of traits at character creation and have them alter a few minor things.
Of course, don't restrict them to gender, in case someone wants to make a feminine man.

[IC-07]

 This thread is getting sexier every moment 

[Giant ambush beetle]

ag99 wrote...

also for example final fantasy 13 had VERY feminine skin showing type of clothing and no one complained about how they are dressed and they also fight sooo just saying

This game is so absolutely ridiculous I wouldn't even complain if it had bunnies in mech suits fighting with laser swords.

[Magdalena11]

QueenPurpleScrap wrote...

The OP has a point.

I think DAO did a better job with armor for the sexes. With everything but the massive armors you could clearly see that it was tailored for the gender. Take the leather armors for an example, they were definitely cut differently for the men and the women. I never had the sense that my female rogue/mage/warrior was wearing men's clothing.

BTW, good armor should be cut/adjusted to fit the wearer in order to be more effective, IMHO.

In DAO the woman's walk was just wrong. You don't have to be excessively swishy-hipped (DA2 went a bit too far in that regard) to acknowledge that men and women are going to be different. Their body structures are different so their walks are bound to be different.

In DA2 the armors were definitely more masculine. The reason they didn't change them more for a female Hawke is the same reason the fancy dress for male and female Hawke were the same (unless you downloaded a mod, which I did). And it would have so easy for some. Some armors were basically leather trousers and vests. You wore a shirt underneath. That shirt didn't have to belong to Carver. A simple scoop neck and slightly different sleeves, perhaps gathered at the wrist instead of cuffs, would have been more feminine without in anyway making it sex-kitten or otherwise detracting from its purpose. They don't even have to do it for every set.

Without mods the hair was awful in DA2. (@Magdalena11: FYI, on dragonagenexus there are hair mods for DAO which have been updated in recent weeks and months, even some earring versions which do not follow hair color). I like the idea of being able to have long hair, but if I am a rogue or warrior I either stick with shoulder length or some sort up ponytail or other gathered style. I don't like it when it looks like hair is growing out of my chest and poking through the armor. That is definitely not feminine, LOL.

The option to wear jewelry, visible jewelry, would be nice. Just saying.

Ooh....gotta check it out.  Can I get my elf hair?  Yes, I am annoyed by the way hair goes in and out of armor.Gotta live with it though, not everything is perfect and I'd rather that than blank spots.

[BBK4114]

Ser Bard wrote... 

Lapislazzuli has created my favourite DA2 mods especially the girlier finery outfits.

But if BW is just going to give us is short skirts and boob windows I'd rather they stick to a re-pinned version of the male outfit. 

I love LapisLazzuli's mods!!  Her textures are incredible.  This one from FokSiGen is good too:


dragonage2.nexusmods.com/mods/3156/   


As for the walk/animation:  I walk and run much like the DA:O animation.  I get insulted when people claim this isn't feminine enough as though there were a set standard for how women walk. I can't sway my hips to save my life!

I did my own little study of "hip motion" while walking at the State Fair a couple years ago when there was a raging debate in the ME forum on this the "feminine" animation topic.  I found that sashaying (as I think of it, lol) is roughly 50/50 for women and, to my delight, men.  I challenge you all to sit down in an environment where most men and women are wearing sneakers/running shoes/trainers, and watch people walk.  There is certainly no standard and men have as much visible hip sway as women when shoe choices are close to the same.

Modifié par BBK4114, 30 juin 2013 - 03:29 .

[Nefla]

I want my PC to be able to wear sexier clothes. In real life I'm not covered from ankle to chin and it sucks being forced into that. I have no problem wearing full plate as a warrior but rogue and especially mage should get more revealing clothes as an option (male too). In situations like MotA I want to be able to wear a poofy gown or at least a long dress, not a weird male suit. In DA2 most of your companions went around without any armor at all, and Isabella let everything hang out so why can't Hawke if that's what he or she would wear?

[Ananka]

WildOrchid wrote...


Just.... the clothes should be more serious and not showing almost everything a la Morrigan. It's fine to show some cleavage but NOT to the point of saying "hey, look down there, I'm woman!! Look how my boobs bounce!".
That's my problem with Bioware, they make exaggerating outfits for females most of times.

Edit: quote fail

I agree with this.
Feminine is one thing, undressed is another, but these seem to be confused very often. I don't mind feminine, but I do mind having a protagonist that runs into battle in a skimpy underwear-resembling outfit that provides no protection at all against weapons.  I'm fine with having the options of long hair and nice dresses, but I don't want a cleavage that's outright silly and unpractical, and I don't want my protagonist turned into something that's completely oversexualized.

Modifié par Annaka, 30 juin 2013 - 03:31 .

[erilben]

Magdalena11 wrote...

I've never seen the fluffy blue bathrobe, though.  Do you have a link?

They are the same ones Bethany wears when she goe to the Circle.

This robe is female only too.


There's also some robes for female Hawke that look like the DAO female mages robes. So actually quite a few mage robes are not the same for male and female Hawke.

[Ananka]

^^ Those robes are feminine enough for me.

ag99 wrote...

also for example final fantasy 13 had VERY feminine skin showing type of clothing and no one complained about how they are dressed and they also fight sooo just saying

So this is what people want from DA:Inquisition? Seriously? I'm sure those shorts and the bra will provide excellent protection against a two-handed sword swung by a Qunari.

Modifié par Annaka, 30 juin 2013 - 03:35 .