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[ReallyRue]

 I'm happy for variety. Most of the mage robes *were* feminine though, including the ones male Hawke wears. Hawke can wear all of these except the last one (Marethari's) and they all look feminine.



I think there should be a choice. With the wearing a dress thing in MotA, that's fine for characters who want to wear a dress, but I don't think it should be the default for all females. I'd be happy just having an outfit that wasn't maleHawke's.

In regard to sexualised outfits though, if present, it should be for both genders. That was something I liked about Skyrim, clothing like the Forsworn armour was revealing and impractical no matter what your gender

[Adanu]

motomotogirl wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...
...femininity...
Just because we are heroes and leaders doesn't mean we check our womanhood at the door.

Yeah, this is BSN. Good luck trying to suggest healthy characteristics of normal red-blooded women, like "femininity" etc., are nothing to be ashamed of.

Okay, gender ("womanhood") is a social construction... it is something that we have created/fashioned and may choose to adhere to. But a female gamer does not necessarily wish to conform to cultural notions of "womanhood," so just be careful with using such a term, and try not to include "all women" in that statement.

Suggesting that conforming to notions of femininity is "normal" should also be avoided.

'Gender' is not a construct. It is biology. Please don't bring that feminist nonsense into this.

[Darth Death]

Yes, let women dress like women.

[Scroll]

Adanu wrote...



... Please don't bring that feminist nonsense into this.

Please don't say nonsense like that.

[Scroll]

I'd love for my male inquisitor to also be able to wear feminine clothes. Frills, boots and a cleavage. Options are good, but only so long as they aren't sexist or just ridiculous and deadly (as plate armour with boob shaped cups).

[CuriousArtemis]

Adanu wrote...

'Gender' is not a construct. It is biology. Please don't bring that feminist nonsense into this.

I hope this isn't too confusing for you. But "sex" refers to biology. Humans have two sexes, male and female.

Gender is constructed. "Man" and "Woman" are defined by societal structures around us; they are not defined by biology.

So a person having a vagina as opposed to a penis marks her as female.

However, if she chooses to wear a dress, she is expressing womanhood, or femininity. It is not biologically inherent to her. Furthermore, a person who is biologically male could express femininity and be considered a woman (a trans person).

I'm sorry that you think feminism is nonsense. I suppose there may be a little fem theory behind what I just explained, but for the most part, it is simply fact.

[CuriousArtemis]

Scr0ll wrote...

I'd love for my male inquisitor to also be able to wear feminine clothes. Frills, boots and a cleavage. Options are good, but only so long as they aren't sexist or just ridiculous and deadly (as plate armour with boob shaped cups).

Yes like Dragon's Dogma  I cam this close to purchasing the boob plate armor for my male Arisen, but his sad little frowning face just broke my heart. I couldn't do that to him LOL

But yes, options. Who doesn't love options? 

[IC-07]

Suddenly this thread went bizzare. 

Modifié par IC-07, 30 juin 2013 - 08:26 .

[Airdeen]

Scr0ll wrote...

I'd love for my male inquisitor to also be able to wear feminine clothes. Frills, boots and a cleavage. Options are good, but only so long as they aren't sexist or just ridiculous and deadly (as plate armour with boob shaped cups).

But who has the right to decide what is sexist and what isn't?

Two different women (or men for that matter) can have completely different opinions on whether a specific piece of armour/clothing is sexist or not. Does the person who thinks the armour is sexist have the right to decide it shouldn't be in the game even if the other person wants it? The best option would be for either person to be able to choose the apparel that is suited to their own personal tastes.

Just for clarification, I would not want to force a skimpy outfit on a person who finds them offensive. But equally much I personally want to have the option to wear a skimpy outfit should I feel like it. Not all women find skimpy outfits to be sexist.

[CuriousArtemis]

Liskat wrote...

Just for clarification, I would not want to force a skimpy outfit on a person who finds them offensive. But equally much I personally want to have the option to wear a skimpy outfit should I feel like it. Not all women find skimpy outfits to be sexist. 

I think, as someone pointed out in the Cullen thread (because we are all about intelligent discussion in the Cullen thread *sage nod*) the important thing is that the player has the choice to dress his/her character. If you take choice away from the player, if you force his/her female character into a sexy outfit (or if you force other characters in the game into sexy outfits for no reason other than to attract the straight male gaze), than that can be upsetting for the player. Simultaneously, if you offer skimpy clothes only to female character but not to males, this can also be upsetting, and rightfully so.

[WildOrchid]

Kalas Magnus wrote...

I don't think enough people play as a female protagonist for this to be a big deal.

Actually, you'd be surprised.

Modifié par WildOrchid, 30 juin 2013 - 08:45 .

[Sylvianus]

Bioware should simply give variety ( with armor and outfit ) to please everyone for both gender.  If you don't like a dress or an armor, don't wear it and shut up. That's the point of the customization. You own your character and he is dressing like you'd like. If some people want to be more people feminine, fine, if other ones want to be gender neutral, fine.

The same for male players. Sexy outfits for those who'd like that, or badass things for the other folks.

Jesus Christ. This is so simple. I don't get why some people feel the need to debate around sociopolitical arguments.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 30 juin 2013 - 08:52 .

[Twisted Path]

Alas, why do we have to have silly debates about *BIOTRUTH* in a thread about wanting the option to dress characters in pretty pretty dresses.

I just want the option to dress my big burly female warrior in a pretty pretty dress when she goes to a party. That's all I'm asking.

[Airdeen]

motomotogirl wrote...

Liskat wrote...

Just for clarification, I would not want to force a skimpy outfit on a person who finds them offensive. But equally much I personally want to have the option to wear a skimpy outfit should I feel like it. Not all women find skimpy outfits to be sexist. 

I think, as someone pointed out in the Cullen thread (because we are all about intelligent discussion in the Cullen thread *sage nod*) the important thing is that the player has the choice to dress his/her character. If you take choice away from the player, if you force his/her female character into a sexy outfit (or if you force other characters in the game into sexy outfits for no reason other than to attract the straight male gaze), than that can be upsetting for the player. Simultaneously, if you offer skimpy clothes only to female character but not to males, this can also be upsetting, and rightfully so.

I don't think the sexy outfits are only directed at the straight males. There are many women who are attracted to that kind of outfits as well (Isabela for instance, she certainly appealed to me big time). Commercials directed at the general female public is full of sexy women in skimpy clothes and it seems to work pretty well.

I agree with you that the male characters should have corresponding outfits and be equally sexy (I certainly wouldn't complain). And of course, an outfit can be very sexy without being revealing or skimpy, so they should be able to make an outfit that is acceptable to most of us.

[Angrywolves]

some people better be careful or this thread will get closed.
shrugs. Nothing wrong with femininity . I thought Leliana talking about shoes was feminine. Made me a Corienne Kempa fan. That voice.
Perhaps more feminine party banter would be in order.

[Sontemuka]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I don't want my female PC to be 'feminine' She's a warrior, she isn't gonna be prancing about in a dress to go to some nonsensical ball or trying to slap on make-up when demons are trying to bash down her door.

Cleavage? One of the things I hated about Isabela was the utterly ridiculously outfit she was wearing; it's like the devs would think we forgot she was a woman if her legs and boobs weren't hanging out.

If this is implemented, I would strong want it to be a choice; I don't want my PC being forced to tart her way past guards just because she has a pair of ******.

This, exactly this. The female inquisitor will be a warrior, mage or rogue and will be forced to fight. I don't want to see high heels shoes, leather tight pants or short pants that resemble to panties. Imagine a female tank warrior with this.

Maybe while the PC is in her Castle/House but after a lot of fight, I guess all she want is be confortable at home, not using sexy outfit. At least when the PC doesn't have a companion close to her xD

Modifié par Sontemuka, 30 juin 2013 - 10:55 .

[IC-07]

Sontemuka wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I don't want my female PC to be 'feminine' She's a warrior, she isn't gonna be prancing about in a dress to go to some nonsensical ball or trying to slap on make-up when demons are trying to bash down her door.

Cleavage? One of the things I hated about Isabela was the utterly ridiculously outfit she was wearing; it's like the devs would think we forgot she was a woman if her legs and boobs weren't hanging out.

If this is implemented, I would strong want it to be a choice; I don't want my PC being forced to tart her way past guards just because she has a pair of ******.

This, exactly this. The female inquisitor will be a warrior, mage or rogue and will be forced to fight. I don't want to see high heels shoes, leather tight pants or short pants that resemble to panties.

You two are heavily exaggirating. My eyes almost bleed because of this. 
Edit: But you have quite an imagination. 

Modifié par IC-07, 30 juin 2013 - 10:48 .

[Sontemuka]

IC-07 wrote...

Sontemuka wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I don't want my female PC to be 'feminine' She's a warrior, she isn't gonna be prancing about in a dress to go to some nonsensical ball or trying to slap on make-up when demons are trying to bash down her door.

Cleavage? One of the things I hated about Isabela was the utterly ridiculously outfit she was wearing; it's like the devs would think we forgot she was a woman if her legs and boobs weren't hanging out.

If this is implemented, I would strong want it to be a choice; I don't want my PC being forced to tart her way past guards just because she has a pair of ******.

This, exactly this. The female inquisitor will be a warrior, mage or rogue and will be forced to fight. I don't want to see high heels shoes, leather tight pants or short pants that resemble to panties.

You two are heavily exaggirating. My eyes almost bleed because of this. 
Edit: But you have quite an imagination. 

Haha perhaps, it's just the fear that the game becomes to something like Tera, with the jumping bosom xD

[TheLastArchivist]

There are male warriors and female warriors.

A female warrior should have her own style, instead of being a repetition of the male version. Female warriors are not men in dresses, nor masculine women. They might not wear makeup, not show their cleavage, nor sit down with crossed legs, but they're still feminine.

As someone here posted an image of a female warrior in battle armor, with cape and everything, it was the pefect example of what one should be.


Another important topic: there's a difference between a competent and beautiful woman who's an accomplished warrior, mage, whatever and a whorish, show-off or futile woman. The first inspires respect and obedience from her troops and people in general. The second one doesn't.

Showing cleavage and navel, besides wearing heavy makeup contradicts being the first kind. When you're a seasoned fighter, having to scare your enemy off, having to deal with bandits on the road or gain the respect of important leaders, you can't seem attractive in a whorish way or desirable 24 hours per day for men. Being pretty (as in wearing heavy makeup and showing cleavage or wearing tight outfit) and being feminine are two very different things.

Your overall appearance needs a minimum of sobriety; otherwise, the character will just be mistaken by a commoner, a peasant woman or even a prostitute, not the leader of troops or an accomplished diplomat who deals with Kings.

Regarding Bioware's outfit's options, they were incredibly inadequate in DA2. In Origins, they managed to make beautiful dresses. Even the armor fitted well in the female character, though indeed there was a serious lack of a more feminine armor. Some chainmails should never be worn by the women; they are just too bulky and give them a male's appearance.

The informal attire was also very limited. Women could only wear dresses, something which baffles me because the Warden and Hawke were fighters. Therefore, they would not dress themselves as regal dames when relaxing in camp, for example. Rather, they would be wearing things like a shirt and trousers.
Why not broaden their options? There's a wide variety of outfit today. Surely they could be designed to fit a medieval-RPG universe. A feminine poncho with long trousers or an elegant piece of cloth tied around the waist could make the entire difference.

The solution is simple: for women, there must be two appearances.
When in battle or a quest, the character can wear her feminine armor, with not too much makeup, no cleavage or other futility totally inadequate for the moment. Battles ask for war facepaint, cloth around their necks to clean the sweat,  ponytails and braids, as other similar attributes.

When in a personal quest, in camp or indoors, she can have the option of wearing a more comfy and sober attire or making herself prettier than usual.

In the first option, she would wear a bit of makeup, more loose hair and, for example, a fashionable tunic made of cotton, a nice pair of comfy shoes and a bit of jewelry. Maybe a bracelet and a pair of earrings. Nothing too exaggerated.

In the second option, the character could wear an elaborate hairstyle during dialogues with potential love interests or social occasions, like the party in the Mark of The Assassin DLC, lavish dresses with the option of showing cleavage, miniskirts, lots of makeup and other attributes designed solely to make her look attractive for men (and/or women, depends on your sexual preferences).

It's all a matter of Bioware giving the option for women to create two appearances for the same character. This might even be done before a specific quest, suppose before a party in Val Royeaux.
The character would go inside a room in a castle and the game would open the character creator, saving a new file for the same character containing the new "beautified version" along with the standard one.

How to alternate between them? Simple. The character could carry with itself a small mirror and, by selecting it as any other item (by pressing '1' in the keyboard in the PC version of the game), the character magically appears in her beautified version. By clicking on the mirror again, the character then returns to her standard version, ready for battle.

After all, it would become just another version of the Shapeshift magic Morrigan has. And isn't that what women do in real life?

Modifié par LegendofKirkwall, 30 juin 2013 - 11:17 .

[KainD]

If female characters are going to have an option to be more feminine, I want male characters to have that option as well.

[KainD]

Nefla wrote...
I have no problem wearing full plate as a warrior but rogue and especially mage should get more revealing clothes as an option (male too).

Yes, pls.

I want a robe like this for a male mage PC:

<3

[Phaedros]

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[IC-07]

Phaedros wrote...


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