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[kumquats]

Just give the player a larger variety of clothing and armor and everyone can be happy. And stop making armor look hideous.
And yes, even for male gamers, it's important to have their own unique look.
GTA San Andreas forums, where full of people, posting their Carl Johnson. In WoW, we would talk for hours, how stupid the new Tiers looked and that we wish we could trade that look for the most badass looking T2 armor. At least we Rogue players discussed that a lot.
And AION, people spend a lot of IG Cash to customize their armor. Colors white and black, where super expensive.

BW put a lot of hideous armor designs in the DA2 DLCs, this isn't an female protagonist exclusive problem.

BW, let the players look pretty in DA:I. Please.
We don't want to look like a fashion disaster, when we save the World.

Modifié par kumquats, 01 juillet 2013 - 07:50 .

[Gotholhorakh]

motomotogirl wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...
...femininity...
Just because we are heroes and leaders doesn't mean we check our womanhood at the door.

Yeah, this is BSN. Good luck trying to suggest healthy characteristics of normal red-blooded women, like "femininity" etc., are nothing to be ashamed of.

Okay, gender ("womanhood") is a social construction... it is something that we have created/fashioned and may choose to adhere to. But a female gamer does not necessarily wish to conform to cultural notions of "womanhood," so just be careful with using such a term, and try not to include "all women" in that statement.

Suggesting that conforming to notions of femininity is "normal" should also be avoided.

"Gender" is a linguistic concept, sex is biological and womanhood and femininity are neither a) imaginary or anything to be ashamed of.

Normality is also nothing to be ashamed of, and does not need to be "avoided" .

There is a boundary over which we step to tell people that healthy normal masculinity or femininity they feel are something to be ashamed of, and that line cannot be overstepped without being unreasonable and insulting.

Here's a "construct": the idea that womanhood, femininity etc. are wrong, or imaginary, or not linked to a person's biology. It's a construct people will mostly humor you on out of consideration for why you might choose to believe it.

Sorry to sound like a filthy normo, but honestly the knots people get themselves into, to militate against women wanting to have whatever nice things they like, do not correspond to the real world.

We can all get along without objecting to other people's natures at every. single. bloody. turn.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 01 juillet 2013 - 09:12 .

[billy the squid]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...
...femininity...
Just because we are heroes and leaders doesn't mean we check our womanhood at the door.

Yeah, this is BSN. Good luck trying to suggest healthy characteristics of normal red-blooded women, like "femininity" etc., are nothing to be ashamed of.

Okay, gender ("womanhood") is a social construction... it is something that we have created/fashioned and may choose to adhere to. But a female gamer does not necessarily wish to conform to cultural notions of "womanhood," so just be careful with using such a term, and try not to include "all women" in that statement.

Suggesting that conforming to notions of femininity is "normal" should also be avoided.

"Gender" is a linguistic concept, sex is biological and womanhood and femininity are neither a) imaginary or anything to be ashamed of.

Normality is also nothing to be ashamed of, and does not need to be "avoided" .

There is a boundary over which we step to tell people that healthy normal masculinity or femininity they feel are something to be ashamed of, and that line cannot be overstepped without being unreasonable and insulting.

Here's a "construct": the idea that womanhood, femininity etc. are wrong, or imaginary, or not linked to a person's biology. It's a construct people will mostly humor you on out of consideration for why you might choose to believe it.

Sorry to sound like a filthy normo, but honestly the knots people get themselves into, to militate against women wanting to have whatever nice things they like, do not correspond to the real world.

We can all get along without objecting to other people's natures at every. single. bloody. turn.

Lies! All lies. Men and women aren't real, only dogs are real. 

[Gnoster]

ag99 wrote...

i would also like an armor like this (like the "mage chick")

Awesome looking Sister of Battle, really well made custome.

Anyway I can only support customes made to fit better on female protagonists.

[frustratemyself]

I'm wearing ladies underwear, does that count as being feminine?

[Gotholhorakh]

billy the squid wrote...

Lies! All lies. Men and women aren't real, only dogs are real. 

Dogs may be real, but in fairness frisbees and lampposts are artificial constructs, so dogs should feel jolly ashamed of themselves for enjoying either, and deprived of both from now on.

[Airdeen]

frustratemyself wrote...

I'm wearing ladies underwear, does that count as being feminine?

If it makes you feel feminine, then yes. If it doesn't, then no. It's not the piece of clothing in of itself that makes the difference, but what you associate with the clothing and how it makes you feel.

Which is probably one of the reasons some of the people in this thread disagree, because the same piece of armour can make different people feel different things. Some people might find anything "feminine" is offensive and sexist, other people think something feminine empowers them and others again simply like the way it looks (if you're going to look at this character for hours on end you want it to look nice). What looks nice to one person doesn't look nice to the next person.

So having a good variation of things to choose from is the best way forward.

[Sable Rhapsody]

kumquats wrote...
Just give the player a larger variety of clothing and armor and everyone can be happy. And stop making armor look hideous.
And yes, even for male gamers, it's important to have their own unique look.

This.  I'd like both my male and female characters to look good (and if not good, at least appropriate for whatever they're doing).  I'm on PC, so I have some recourse to modding (like dresses for FemHawke in MoTA), but not everyone gets that option.

[Gotholhorakh]

Liskat wrote...
So having a good variation of things to choose from is the best way forward.

Common sense. I agree with this and the OP.

[Xilizhra]

Normality is also nothing to be ashamed of, and does not need to be "avoided" .

Normality is arbitrary.

"Femininity" doesn't need to be avoided; that's not what's important anyway. What's important is that it shouldn't be imposed, in-game or otherwise. I'm not against the OP's idea in principle (though being the leader of a paramilitary operation like this would make it somewhat odd), but it absolutely cannot be something that would prevent someone playing a female character from acting the same as they would were they playing a male one.