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[OldTimeRadio]

I contacted a source at IGN Friday and they fixed the problem.  Took 'em a little while to get the situation analyzed and fixed, so you probably saw the Vault go up and down after coming back online Friday.  I've been very busy IRL so I'm sorry I didn't post something about it Saturday.

I posted the following a month ago:

I wrote to someone very high up in IGN, asking what as going to happen with the Vault after IGN's sale and Maximus taking the position at Blizzard. 

Amazingly, I received a response. 

Their response was short but they indicated that a decision was made about a year ago to stop actively updating the sites that were built on "code bases" and services they no-longer supported but that they will keep the sites alive as archives and have no plans whatsoever to delete the data anytime soon.  That answer specifically included the Vault sites.

Anyway, after I alerted IGN that there was a problem it didn't take them long to fix it.  I was profusely thanking the guy at IGN for helping me get this issue resolved and he was like "No problem- I'm bummed we didn't hear about it sooner or we would have fixed it sooner."

So to recap: IGN said a month ago they had no plans to pull the plug on the NWVault and when notified of an issue about the Vault being difficult to reach this Friday, fixed it pretty quickly.

Yet even after the Vault came back up fully, some kept insisting that it was still "dead", or worse:

henesua wrote...
Please do not access what remains of the vault. In doing so you are just encouraging that it be shut down more quickly.

Henesua, the people that I'm getting my information from work at IGN.  Who's your source for that assertion? 



Yes, the Vault will eventually go into Archive mode.  Archive mode is not something Rolo (or Maximus, if he were still with IGN) controls, it's something IGN does and it will likely cause a redirection to a specific NWVault Archive site where people will still be able to download the data.  For instance, if Rolo and the other people working to maintain the Vault just decided to stop updating it (something I doubt, BTW), that would be something other than the site going into Archive mode.

IGN is nice enough to continue providing the Neverwinter Vault so people can download things and this latest help from them cements in my mind that they mean it.  The situation might change in the future, but they were definitely on the job Friday.

If a couple of people are abused with the notion that the IGN Vault "needs a little help" going away so the community can "advance", I have a special message for you: You are broken deep inside and you are no friend to this community.



In the mean time, I suggest everyone who hasn't registered at NeverwinterVault.net do so.  It's shaping up to be a primo site and kudos to Rolo and everyone else who worked so hard to get it going! 

I look forward to a long life to both the IGN Vault at NeverwinterVault.net!

[PJ156]

This is good to hear OTR.

If IGN keep up their support and the Vault remains then the very least that comes from this is that we have three safe repositories for our data and launch sites for getting our material out there.

That and the fact that, when we did think the vault was going down as any of these services might at some point. There were people in the community prepared to do something about it to keep that which we have, and a whole load of volunteers behind that out of our fine group who have stumped up time and money in support of that initiative.

Seems to me that if IGN change their stance and there are changes to the vault and its support then we are ready for that. If they don't then we can look forward to years more of ponderously slow searches and pop up adverts .

It's all good

PJ

Modifié par PJ156, 30 juin 2013 - 06:34 .

[Morbane]

whell - back to business . . .

yay

Modifié par Morbane, 30 juin 2013 - 07:31 .

[painofdungeoneternal]

henesua wrote...
Please do not access what remains of the vault. In doing so you are just encouraging that it be shut down more quickly.

Actually i think you are misreading that statement.

It was in reference to a hosts file edit prior to the vault coming back - the timing of when henesua wrote it makes the meaning different than what you are interpreting. The vault was down completely when it was written, but we were doing one final scrape while it was down, we wanted that usage to be focused on backing up. Now that the vault is back and the DNS is fixed, then the reason this was said is no longer in place.

If people used this to continue using the vault, then any changes done or uploads would probably not be backed up. Also we did not know what IGN is doing, a DNS subdomain being removed is a strange goof or bug, and while i really hoped it was going to come back, I did not want everyone madly backing up files to create a bigger issues and send the vault over the edge.

Since the vault is still chugging along, it's back to the holding pattern - prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

But by the same token, the decisions at IGN are subject to change since Ziff Davis is now in charge. The "Archive" is akin to the way back machine ( and we are also talking to people at the ArchiveTeam.org who are making sure the vault ends up in the Internet Archive ( we actually have much more in depth backups then they have ) ) who are working on a lot of IGN and Gamespy sites. Frankly, the Internet Archive and ArchiveTeam are going to keep the vault safe ( and all the IGN sites slated for ending ) for far longer than a commercial company can.

It's a lot better for the community if players access the current version of projects still being updated, either on the nexus, on private sites, or elsewhere. It does benefit us if we can still access those files, but if the vault is not the authoritative source anymore for NWN content, it just becomes another of many sites, and should have some way of pointing users to where the correct version of files is.