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[Dextro Milk]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

And I'm going to shoot Tali in the face. 

For funsies.

I'm going to let Miranda get sliced open by Kai Leng. Tbh, he is a better character than that beaver face Mirandur...

[HellbirdIV]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

And the correct idiom is "the pot calling the kettle black"

That only applies when both sides are the same, and claims the other is not. You're not my equal - ergo, a distinct contrast is applied to the idiom in place of the intended similarity. It's simple extrapolation.

CronoDragoon wrote...

Why would anyone attempt to convince you otherwise when you obviously have no interest in being convinced otherwise?

Well honestly, I believe in the 'scientific method' way of argument, that is to say, present evidence to support your argument as a scientist would present evidence to support a theory.

Saying I have "no interest in being convinced otherwise" is, frankly, silly - why would I want to dislike a character? Do people never change their minds, where you come from?

I don't gain anything from disliking Miranda. I have no vested agenda in it - it's just my opinion, and opinions can be swayed with perspective and reason.

Y'all are uncivilized.

EDIT:

Thinking about it, that might be one of the reasons I like asari so much (aside from my shallow fetish for girls with colorful skin, especially blue) - their society, as written, is essentially based on that philosophy. All opinions hold weight and should be examined through discussion.

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 04 juillet 2013 - 03:20 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

And I'm going to shoot Tali in the face. 

For funsies.

I'm going to let Miranda get sliced open by Kai Leng. Tbh, he is a better character than that beaver face Mirandur...

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of Tali pouting because the Geth are about to obliterate the Quarians.

[Dextro Milk]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

And I'm going to shoot Tali in the face. 

For funsies.

I'm going to let Miranda get sliced open by Kai Leng. Tbh, he is a better character than that beaver face Mirandur...

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of Tali pouting because the Geth are about to obliterate the Quarians.

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over Miranda's begging to Leng about wanting to live. His blade slice into her pretty easily, her "perfect" body won't be so perfect when my Shepard casually finds Miranda bleeding like a stuck pig.

I would say "Meh, looks like you aren't as good as you think you are."

Then I would walk away as she starts coughing up blood in agony. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HellbirdIV wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Why would anyone attempt to convince you otherwise when you obviously have no interest in being convinced otherwise?

Well honestly, I believe in the 'scientific method' way of argument, that is to say, present evidence to support your argument as a scientist would present evidence to support a theory.

Saying I have "no interest in being convinced otherwise" is, frankly, silly - why would I want to dislike a character? Do people never change their minds, where you come from?

I don't gain anything from disliking Miranda. I have no vested agenda in it - it's just my opinion, and opinions can be swayed with perspective and reason.

Y'all are uncivilized.

EDIT:

Thinking about it, that might be one of the reasons I like asari so much (aside from my shallow fetish for girls with colorful skin, especially blue) - their society, as written, is essentially based on that philosophy. All opinions hold weight and should be examined through discussion.

Can you give me compelling evidence about why the Asari are objectively written well? I certainly don't believe that.

You're completely misusing an argument that stems from scientific method and applying it to something about personal opinion towards a character. 

The issue is not whether or not you will change your mind - you won't. No argument I put forward will do so. Your claim is not valid because you will be arbitrary with your evidence - the 'good enough' issue. It won't be good enough for you.

I don't believe in having a vested agenda into disliking a character. That said, I find it perfectly acceptable to dislike a character. Why would I change my mind on something I don't really feel any like for?

And really, you're just starting to sound like an anthropocentric ass with your comments. I don't really appreciate it when you go off thinking you're smarter than everyone else because they like a character that you don't.

Reported.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 04 juillet 2013 - 03:35 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

And I'm going to shoot Tali in the face. 

For funsies.

I'm going to let Miranda get sliced open by Kai Leng. Tbh, he is a better character than that beaver face Mirandur...

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of Tali pouting because the Geth are about to obliterate the Quarians.

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over Miranda's begging to Leng about wanting to live. His blade slice into her pretty easily, her "perfect" body won't be so perfect when my Shepard casually finds Miranda bleeding like a stuck pig.

I would say "Meh, looks like you aren't as good as you think you are."

Then I would walk away as she starts coughing up blood in agony. 

Watching Shepard push Tali off the cliff is really hilarious. Calling her a suit rat one last time. And laughing at her for giving over the evidence and still forcibly exiling her in the last game. Fun. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

StreetMagic wrote...

Tali.. now there's a character I find hard to care about. Her ME2 loyalty mission still pisses me off. I still like being friendly with her (i.e. don't want her killed), and don't want her exiled, but she has the dumbest reasons for becoming disloyal.

/random

I admit, that if it wasn't for the fact that it completely screws chances of peace in the next game, I would give the Quarians the information on what the her father was doing, and I'd tell her to ****** off when dealing with her loyalty check with Legion.

It's not that I hate her in that circumstance, it's that I legit think that those are the best options. If it wasn't for the fact that both of those seriously screw with galactic chances in universe, I wouldn't be siding with Tali.

[HellbirdIV]

StreetMagic wrote...

Tali.. now there's a character I find hard to care about. Her ME2 loyalty mission still pisses me off. I still like being friendly with her (i.e. don't want her killed), and don't want her exiled, but she has the dumbest reasons for becoming disloyal.

I don't see how having the darkest secret of her life revealed to the entire Flotilla, or being banished for the rest of her life aren't reasons enough not to trust Shepard.

I sure as hell wouldn't feel safe during an alleged 'suicide mission' where my commanding officer is inclined to brutal pragmatism "for the greater good", y'know?

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 04 juillet 2013 - 03:43 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

By it's definition it's a suicide mission. Of course it's not safe. If Tali has a problem with that, she can go find some engine to fix.

The mission is more important than any one of us. Getting it done is more important than getting everybody (or anybody) home.

[HellbirdIV]

The reveal that one of their own Admirals betrayed them is kind of a big blow against the Flotilla as a whole, so it is politically unwise if you want them as your allies. That said, Tali's loyalty isn't dependent on your personal morality - she's loyal because she trusts you care enough about her to try and get her home alive.

[o Ventus]

HellbirdIV wrote...

None whatsoever.

You state this like it's objective.

It's objectively wrong.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HellbirdIV wrote...

The reveal that one of their own Admirals betrayed them is kind of a big blow against the Flotilla as a whole, so it is politically unwise if you want them as your allies. That said, Tali's loyalty isn't dependent on your personal morality - she's loyal because she trusts you care enough about her to try and get her home alive.

There is no way it connects to them being allies with Shepard. In fact, they literally tell you to go to Tali's father's ship and find out what's going on. You aren't doing anything wrong. At all.

What, are the Quarians going to be like "Rael'Zorah was illegally and dangerously experimenting with Geth equipment! You were the one who told us about it! We are enemies forever!"

Yes, I do. She's one of my subordinates. I care for my soldier's lives. I want to see them all get home safely.

But I also know that the mission always comes first. Especially this mission. And soldier's know that they might die for the mission. 

It's not my job to make sure everyone gets home safe. Tali should know this. If she didn't, she has no place on my ship. My job is to accomplish the mission. This mission is vital.

[o Ventus]

HellbirdIV wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I'm a butthurt little baby about my digital girlfriend being insulted.

You can always try to prove me wrong - That's been a repeated point of mine, but I take it you didn't actually read the thread before you posted.

"Prove you wrong"?

I think you did that yourself already when you claimed subjective material as objective truths.

But, y'know, childish insults are a good way to get your point across too. Makes them more noticeable.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HellbirdIV wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I'm a butthurt little baby about my digital girlfriend being insulted.

You can always try to prove me wrong - That's been a repeated point of mine, but I take it you didn't actually read the thread before you posted.

You're being very antagonistic and spiteful.

Reported. Again.

[HellbirdIV]

I'm still waiting to see any kind of possible pro for Miranda. So far all you keep saying is that I'm mean for not liking her.

Is it really too much to ask that people use a forum to discuss their opinions, rather than crying foul because someone doesn't like what you like? What are these, YouTube comments?

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

You're being very antagonistic and spiteful.

Huh. The forum ignore function doesn't work. That's mildly annoying.

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 04 juillet 2013 - 04:05 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HellbirdIV wrote...

I'm still waiting to see any kind of possible pro for Miranda. So far all you keep saying is that I'm mean for not liking her.

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

You're being very antagonistic and spiteful.

Huh. The forum ignore function doesn't work. That's mildly annoying.

No, you're being a jerk to people who do like her. 

Also, I don't care if you like her or not, but saying that she's objectively bad as a character is false. People disagree, and for all intents and purposes, you're calling them stupid.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 04 juillet 2013 - 04:07 .

[Dextro Milk]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Sadly, I don't have any popcorn on hand atm, so I'll just have to enjoy this entertaining discussion while eating toast and jam instead.

I just had some nutella and toast, it was good enough. 

And yes, this thread is fun to read. 

[HellbirdIV]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Sadly, I don't have any popcorn on hand atm, so I'll just have to enjoy this entertaining discussion while eating toast and jam instead.

You can have some of mine. Throat sore makes eating it by myself a bit painful.

I'd hardly classify it as a discussion though.

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Also,
I don't care if you like her or not, but saying that she's objectively
bad as a character is false. People disagree, and for all intents and
purposes, you're calling them stupid.

Okay, this is one of my big favorites:

I said that I think Miranda is a badly written character. That's my opinion, and a topic up for debate.

If you disagree, then you disagree and that's where the discussion is supposed to start.

Instead, you're making yourself out to be stupid by indignantly stomping your feet and crying "No no no no!" like a 5-year old. 

I didn't call anyone stupid. You did that to yourselves.

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 04 juillet 2013 - 04:10 .

[BioWareMod02]

This thread has derailed from its original topic and ends here.

Modifié par BioWareMod03, 04 juillet 2013 - 04:12 .