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[Han Shot First]

TheMyron wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

That Miranda is a huge sl*t....

She was deliberately trying to become a single mom, and when all of her attempts failed, she consulted a gynecologist and received the bad news.

That particular theory never made much sense to me. Why would Miranda be trying to get pregnant while in the midst of preparing for a suicide mission? There was a high probability she would be killed, and she knew it. No rational person would decide to get pregnant while gearing up to go kamikaze on the Collectors.

IMO it is much more likely that Miranda seeking casual sex and the reveal that she is infertile are not connected. I think she had casual sex for the sex, rather than out of a desire to have a baby.

[Steelcan]

actually this was discussed in the Miranda group and her writer chimed in via Twitter.

He said it was her seeking fun in her own unique way, not an attempt to get pregnant

[o Ventus]

Han Shot First wrote...

That particular theory never made much sense to me. Why would Miranda be trying to get pregnant while in the midst of preparing for a suicide mission?

Before the mission, not during. The username in the dossier was an oversight.

[SSPBOURNE]

N7recruit wrote...

Thane "Neck-Snap" Krios & Legion being a Gamer

Oh man, I forgot about that. That was so hilarious, when Leigon was accused of using bots.

[Gold Dragon]

The SB waiting for 1 year post ressurection of Shepard before any retaliation against Cerberus.

Tali getting that Human Courtship & Mating vid.  Especially when Shepard is Female (ME3: Citadel makes it plain she's straight).  The others, dealing with body language and verbal language translators is normal, but really....


Also notable persons missing:  Urdnot Wrex (if alive), Kaidan/Ashley (whichever is the VS)

Modifié par A Golden Dragon, 03 juillet 2013 - 07:11 .

[ThinkSharp]

I love being compared to soda. Makes me feel, you know, valued as a person. I mean, really, who doesn't want to be considered an object whose personal worth is consumed by others until used up and discarded? 

I actually liked Miranda more after the dossier. It was humorously in-character and added a much needed dimension to her character. Namely humanity.

As far as dossier moments, my favorite was Jack's poetry rejection. Laughed so hard.

Modifié par ThinkSharp, 03 juillet 2013 - 07:07 .

[TheMyron]

ThinkSharp wrote...

I love being compared to soda. Makes me feel, you know, valued as a person. I mean, really, who doesn't want to be considered an object whose personal worth is consumed by others until used up and discarded? 

I actually liked Miranda more after the dossier. It was humorously in-character and added a much needed dimension to her character. Namely humanity.

As far as dossier moments, my favorite was Jack's poetry rejection. Laughed so hard.

Maybe I wrote that incorrectly, not enough clarification, My apologies.

Modifié par TheMyron, 03 juillet 2013 - 10:54 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

TheMyron wrote...

@O Ventus: Just as Legion says that treating all species exactly alike is racist itself,

That isn't what Legion's quote means.

[Raging_Pulse]

"Request denied.

Hackett."

[MassivelyEffective0730]

ThinkSharp wrote...

I love being compared to soda. Makes me feel, you know, valued as a person. I mean, really, who doesn't want to be considered an object whose personal worth is consumed by others until used up and discarded? 

I actually liked Miranda more after the dossier. It was humorously in-character and added a much needed dimension to her character. Namely humanity.

As far as dossier moments, my favorite was Jack's poetry rejection. Laughed so hard.

Eh, many of us Miranda fans weren't too fond of her portrayal in her dossier. I particularly didn't like the fact that they arbitrarily made her barren to take away from her perfection, to make it seem as if her genetic engineering was a bad thing and that she is somehow less of a person because of it. To a few other Miranda fans, it honestly seemed like a pity-pandering attempt to make people feel sorry for her because she can't be normal (in a game where normal is considered the best thing), while simultaneously trying to create the belief that you weren't supposed to romance her if you did.

A lot of us actually think her dossier puts her out of character in several spots. I don't think it did much besides detract from her character, but fortunately we got some things cleared up with her writer.

The only thing I really liked about it was the conversation with Oriana.

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Eh, many of us Miranda fans weren't too fond of her portrayal in her dossier. I particularly didn't like the fact that they arbitrarily made her barren to take away from her perfection, to make it seem as if her genetic engineering was a bad thing and that she is somehow less of a person because of it. To a few other Miranda fans, it honestly seemed like a pity-pandering attempt to make people feel sorry for her because she can't be normal (in a game where normal is considered the best thing), while simultaneously trying to create the belief that you weren't supposed to romance her if you did.

A lot of us actually think her dossier puts her out of character in several spots. I don't think it did much besides detract from her character, but fortunately we got some things cleared up with her writer.

The only thing I really liked about it was the conversation with Oriana.

But it made her more human. Except for her loyalty mission, we don't get to see much of Miranda's emotional, human side. But I know, you're not very fond of overly emotional people;)

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Eh, many of us Miranda fans weren't too fond of her portrayal in her dossier. I particularly didn't like the fact that they arbitrarily made her barren to take away from her perfection, to make it seem as if her genetic engineering was a bad thing and that she is somehow less of a person because of it. To a few other Miranda fans, it honestly seemed like a pity-pandering attempt to make people feel sorry for her because she can't be normal (in a game where normal is considered the best thing), while simultaneously trying to create the belief that you weren't supposed to romance her if you did.

A lot of us actually think her dossier puts her out of character in several spots. I don't think it did much besides detract from her character, but fortunately we got some things cleared up with her writer.

The only thing I really liked about it was the conversation with Oriana.

But it made her more human. Except for her loyalty mission, we don't get to see much of Miranda's emotional, human side. But I know, you're not very fond of overly emotional people;)

She didn't need to be more human. She is *the* perfect human for crying out loud. Her emotional, human side is a great thing, but it's something she keeps to herself for more than just "shame." And it's reserved for those who have earned the right to see it. No she's not a robot, but neither is she a sappy, crying pathetic little girl who feels sad about everything bad.

She is a professional. She knows her emotions detract from her work. It's why she stays detached. It's why a lot of Miranda fans (myself included) rather resented that change and desire to be "normal." 

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 03 juillet 2013 - 03:04 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Eh, many of us Miranda fans weren't too fond of her portrayal in her dossier. I particularly didn't like the fact that they arbitrarily made her barren to take away from her perfection, to make it seem as if her genetic engineering was a bad thing and that she is somehow less of a person because of it.

Where in the game is that implied at all?

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
She didn't need to be more human. She is *the* perfect human for crying out loud. Her emotional, human side is a great thing, but it's something she keeps to herself for more than just "shame." 

She is a professional. She knows her emotions detract from her work. It's why she stays detached. It's why a lot of Miranda fans (myself included) rather resented that change and desire to be "normal." 

But is she happy being a professional? Is anyone? I don't blame her for her desire to want a normal life. After all, that's the main reason why she fights so hard to protect Oriana. Also, she might be physically the perfect human(except for her inability to reproduce), but in a way her life is empty. As you said, emotions distract from work, but is life only about work?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Random Jerkface wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Eh, many of us Miranda fans weren't too fond of her portrayal in her dossier. I particularly didn't like the fact that they arbitrarily made her barren to take away from her perfection, to make it seem as if her genetic engineering was a bad thing and that she is somehow less of a person because of it.

Where in the game is that implied at all?

It's in her depiction as the series wears on. I'm not as ardent a believer in it as a few others, but look at how she's depicted in ME2, then onto LotSB, then onto ME3. It's not something that's wholly in the game, but it's something we get from... reading between the lines, so to speak. Not the best analogy, but we're seeing changes in her depiction.

I guess it would be hard to describe in a few words here. We've been rather debative and talkative on this for the last... 3 years I'd say over in the Miranda group.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
She didn't need to be more human. She is *the* perfect human for crying out loud. Her emotional, human side is a great thing, but it's something she keeps to herself for more than just "shame." 

She is a professional. She knows her emotions detract from her work. It's why she stays detached. It's why a lot of Miranda fans (myself included) rather resented that change and desire to be "normal." 

But is she happy being a professional? Is anyone? I don't blame her for her desire to want a normal life. After all, that's the main reason why she fights so hard to protect Oriana. Also, she might be physically the perfect human(except for her inability to reproduce), but in a way her life is empty. As you said, emotions distract from work, but is life only about work?

Yes! She is happy as a professional! We resent the notion that she is using her profession as an excuse for her personal life. She cares deeply about her goals and dreams and what she wants to achieve. Miranda isn't "normal" and never will be. She can have a life, but she shouldn't have to give up on who she is just to be "normal." She's better than normal. She's cut from a greater clothe. She's extraordinary. She's better. 

And we really, really, really despise the notion that she wants to be normal. Her life is more than her work yes, but in many ways, work is what is important to her. She can have a man who loves her and whom she dearly loves with Shepard. I'd rather say that she'd be particularly attached to Shepard and vice versa since he and Oriana are her only real personal attachments. But that's all she needs. A child may be in the future too, but Miranda (and Shepard if you play him that way) isn't the settle down and be normal type. 

My work is more important than my life. I've always felt that. I cared little for normal myself. I never want to be normal. I want to be better, higher, above the masses. I am meant for more. Call it ambition, call it arrogance, it's who I am. I'd rather have a prosperous career doing something I love than a loving family that holds me down. I have a significant other whom I am greatly fond of and whom I have strong feelings for. I don't know if we'll be in it for life together or not, but I know that I'm not going to abandon a chance to be someone great. And she feels the same. It's why we're moving forward together. We have each other and that's all we need.

[o Ventus]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Eh, many of us Miranda fans weren't too fond of her portrayal in her dossier. I particularly didn't like the fact that they arbitrarily made her barren to take away from her perfection, to make it seem as if her genetic engineering was a bad thing and that she is somehow less of a person because of it. To a few other Miranda fans, it honestly seemed like a pity-pandering attempt to make people feel sorry for her because she can't be normal (in a game where normal is considered the best thing), while simultaneously trying to create the belief that you weren't supposed to romance her if you did.

A lot of us actually think her dossier puts her out of character in several spots. I don't think it did much besides detract from her character, but fortunately we got some things cleared up with her writer.

The only thing I really liked about it was the conversation with Oriana.

Yeah. That dossier is... Bad, to put it mildly.

[o Ventus]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Yes! She is happy as a professional! We resent the notion that she is using her profession as an excuse for her personal life. She cares deeply about her goals and dreams and what she wants to achieve. Miranda isn't "normal" and never will be. She can have a life, but she shouldn't have to give up on who she is just to be "normal." She's better than normal. She's cut from a greater clothe. She's extraordinary. She's better. 

And we really, really, really despise the notion that she wants to be normal. Her life is more than her work yes, but in many ways, work is what is important to her. She can have a man who loves her and whom she dearly loves with Shepard. I'd rather say that she'd be particularly attached to Shepard and vice versa since he and Oriana are her only real personal attachments. But that's all she needs. A child may be in the future too, but Miranda (and Shepard if you play him that way) isn't the settle down and be normal type. 
forward together. We have each other and that's all we need.

Miranda's desire for normalcy was always readily apparent, but the level, I would say, is subjective (to a point). I can understand her wanting to at least take on some more "normal" aspects (for lack of a better way to put it), but she wouldn't just drop everything and become a housewife. I guess "normal" in the sense that she can be a wife and mother, yet also extraordinary in everything that's presently... Present.

[CronoDragoon]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Eh, many of us Miranda fans weren't too fond of her portrayal in her dossier. I particularly didn't like the fact that they arbitrarily made her barren to take away from her perfection, to make it seem as if her genetic engineering was a bad thing and that she is somehow less of a person because of it.

The game does not imply this. If you personally feel that "barren" women are less human because of it, then I suppose that is your view.

The game has always portrayed her genetic engineering as both a good and bad thing, so I don't see the difference here.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

o Ventus wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Yes! She is happy as a professional! We resent the notion that she is using her profession as an excuse for her personal life. She cares deeply about her goals and dreams and what she wants to achieve. Miranda isn't "normal" and never will be. She can have a life, but she shouldn't have to give up on who she is just to be "normal." She's better than normal. She's cut from a greater clothe. She's extraordinary. She's better. 

And we really, really, really despise the notion that she wants to be normal. Her life is more than her work yes, but in many ways, work is what is important to her. She can have a man who loves her and whom she dearly loves with Shepard. I'd rather say that she'd be particularly attached to Shepard and vice versa since he and Oriana are her only real personal attachments. But that's all she needs. A child may be in the future too, but Miranda (and Shepard if you play him that way) isn't the settle down and be normal type. 
forward together. We have each other and that's all we need.

Miranda's desire for normalcy was always readily apparent, but the level, I would say, is subjective (to a point). I can understand her wanting to at least take on some more "normal" aspects (for lack of a better way to put it), but she wouldn't just drop everything and become a housewife. I guess "normal" in the sense that she can be a wife and mother, yet also extraordinary in everything that's presently... Present.

And that's what I mean pretty much. Though I think her desire is rather limited to having a partner that she can love and be loved by, and it didn't really start until she realized that she could have something with Shepard. Otherwise, she's going to pretty much remain a troubleshooting space diva, in the words of Citadel.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 03 juillet 2013 - 03:42 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

CronoDragoon wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Eh, many of us Miranda fans weren't too fond of her portrayal in her dossier. I particularly didn't like the fact that they arbitrarily made her barren to take away from her perfection, to make it seem as if her genetic engineering was a bad thing and that she is somehow less of a person because of it.

The game does not imply this. If you personally feel that "barren" women are less human because of it, then I suppose that is your view.

The game has always portrayed her genetic engineering as both a good and bad thing, so I don't see the difference here.

I have no problem with her infertility (though I believe that it is reversable for her, if and when she chooses to do something about it.) It's why they decided to make her infertile that bothers me. I (and other Miranda fans, so it's not just me) interpret that it was some measure of bringing her down to our level, to make people feel bad for her because she can't have the normal life that she supposedly desires above all else.

[CronoDragoon]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I have no problem with her infertility (though I believe that it is reversable for her, if and when she chooses to do something about it.) It's why they decided to make her infertile that bothers me. I (and other Miranda fans, so it's not just me) interpret that it was some measure of bringing her down to our level, to make people feel bad for her because she can't have the normal life that she supposedly desires above all else.

I don't see where the dossier asserts that she desires a normal life above all else, nor did I get this feeling in ME3. Indeed I believe her Citadel scene paints a portrait of someone aware of her shortcomings while being comfortable with who she is.

[Sir DeLoria]

Umm ok. I guess your quite...devoted to your work. I work in banking, I like my work, but it's not my life. Never will be. Family, loved ones always come first.

My dad was very, very devoted to his work. He was a successful investment manager, made a fortune and achieved a lot. Yet he never had time to see his family, never had any spare time. That ultimately led to his family breaking apart. All the wealth, all the fame in the world can't buy love. I don't like to say it, but he regrets the way he went.

That's the reason why I think, that work shouldn't be your one and only commitment in life.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

CronoDragoon wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I have no problem with her infertility (though I believe that it is reversable for her, if and when she chooses to do something about it.) It's why they decided to make her infertile that bothers me. I (and other Miranda fans, so it's not just me) interpret that it was some measure of bringing her down to our level, to make people feel bad for her because she can't have the normal life that she supposedly desires above all else.

I don't see where the dossier asserts that she desires a normal life above all else, nor did I get this feeling in ME3. Indeed I believe her Citadel scene paints a portrait of someone aware of her shortcomings while being comfortable with who she is.

That's what was good with Citadel. She acknowledges that a normal life isn't for her, and she's fine with it. She was never meant to be normal anyway. She's greater than that.